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Episode: 195
Title: HPR0195: Sourcecast Ep 3
Source: https://hub.hackerpublicradio.org/ccdn.php?filename=/eps/hpr0195/hpr0195.mp3
Transcribed: 2025-10-07 13:32:33

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we'll be right back!!
Hello and welcome to SourceCare's episode 5, I'm JD and I'm Jeremy and in this episode
we're going to take a bit of your feedback and we're going to be reviewing for door 9.
First up, the viewer feedback.
Our first comment on the website is from Barry Williams.
He has been listening to us on Hacker Public Radio which we're being syndicated on Hacker Public Radio
and how if you didn't already know.
He's basically saying that we're assholes and we think just because we review
are districts that most other people don't like foresight and arch and probably gentle in the future.
We're doing so much different stuff and we'll read these dickheads and we're going to scare potential listeners away
because of how anal we are on our ratings and stuff.
Basically, yeah, you want to take this one?
Surely, well, this guy mentioned in his feedback that he was a big Ubuntu user and fan
and hey, I like getting flames and my response is I'm glad we could piss off another Ubuntu elitist.
I only had the deepest of regrets that it wasn't John O'Bacon.
I agree. I mean, yes, we're assholes and yes, you know, we might hate on disc roads
but if there was a perfect disc trail like we said last time, we would give it the props it deserves.
And everyone keeps using a Ubuntu and for some magical reason, they don't see how crappy it is.
We're vicious, mean, and unforgiving, but it's a two-way street.
If we stumble upon the perfect disc road, we will have nothing short of virtual hard-horns for it. I have no doubt.
Yes, yes. And you've got our next comment, Jeremy. So you want to take that one?
All right. Yes, this guy says, I hope you guys never have to learn a foreign language.
It probably would be too hard because not all languages are alike.
And to that, I say, well, you know, then you have the, that's a very poor analogy.
You've got languages out there like Icelandic and all the Nordic languages that are ridiculous and crazy.
And then you've got some languages like Spanish where everything is designed reasonably easy
and German is even more simplistic.
And you've got all the Latin-based languages that basically like, you know, they're easy to adapt from like one Latin-based language to another reasonably.
Yes. If you can get conjugation down, you've pretty much done Spanish. You can learn basic Spanish in a week or two. It's that simple.
To continue, you probably would demand the whole world speak the same language. Well, yes, it's called the Linguafranca.
And ironically, given that that's a French phrase, it's English. It's the international business language.
If you go to China and start talking business, even though you're in China, odds are you're probably going to be speaking in English.
It's a good thing. It's efficiency and communication. And you said that's not going to happen when it already has happened.
It's going to be an international business language for a reason.
To continue anyway, I like the diversity in Linux. And this is where it gets funny.
If you want standards, then tell the Ubuntu people not to change things just for the sake of change.
I've had to rewrite quite a few scripts because they want to change something to fit their whims.
Usually, let's functional. Personally, to say that Ubuntu is the leading distribution is a pile of cow manure in business RPM-based distros rule.
And while he's right, it kind of makes me want to vomit.
Anyway, personally, I like the differences between the distros. Why not do your own distro and quit complaining?
If we review all these distros and they all fail, we may just do that.
Although it's probably simpler for us to just make up for Arch Linux's shortcomings, which personally I'm already doing to continue.
And also on that same token, I actually am working on my own distro that possibly we'll talk about in the point five release.
And we will definitely probably be reviewing when I release it.
Yes. And he says, I use several distros and it does not kill me that they're not perfectly alike.
Are you guys afraid of Alzheimer's disease or something?
And he says he agrees that the Windows-based products have their tremendous shortcomings and he's been Windows-free for several years.
And some of the shortcomings we mentioned can be easily remedied if we bother to do a little research instead of superficial review.
And no, it's not afraid of getting Alzheimer's disease. It's just getting sick and damn tired of having to memorize how to do it 20 fucking different ways when it makes sense to do it one.
Why should I go, for example, using your language analogy? Why should I, when I'm making a pitch to a company, for example, have to say it in 20 freaking languages?
Why not everybody just be on the same page to begin with?
And part of the shortcomings that I come across, you know, I want the distro to help me to solve any problems I come across.
If I can't even get an accession up, I can foresight I'm fucked.
I will have to go get a second computer to figure out my problems and that's sort of breaking the spirit of reviewing it.
I want it to succeed or fail and its own right not succeed because I happen to have another computer I can jump on and figure out how to fix why it's fucking up.
That's sort of cheating in my book.
And also, I mean, it's not like, you know, in Debian, you've got the D package reconfigure xorg-x server in Pac-Man.
I'm sure there's something while there's x-configure. But, you know, why do I have to learn the different syntax to fix that in foresight and the different syntax to fix that in, you know, Fedora and all that stuff.
And that is a major obstacle not only for a third party vendors to support Linux, but for Linux to make inroads into education and business.
You know, you're not this crap doesn't fly in a professional environment period.
And also, that's the thing like grandma, you know, she'd probably have no problem calling up Microsoft and saying like, hey, my computer's not starting what the hell is going on.
You know, not so, you know, you can't tell grandma to, you know, go read the man page. Now, that just, you know, and that whole computing market is completely out until things become standard.
And you can be one doc that tells you how to do everything you need to do and you're done.
Yes, and that email was sent in by Davey Jordan.
Oh, and as for Ubuntu, deciding to, you know, randomly change it for no reason, I completely agree.
I know change from bin SH as back to dash, shaved very little time off boot, which is its main advantage.
And it breaks compatibility with pretty much every shell script that uses bin SH as the operand, which does anyone see why that's intelligent?
Really? Yeah, I mean, you know, we've covered Ubuntu. It's a mixed basket. They do stupid stuff like that, but then turn around and do miracles that no other distro seems to be able to accomplish, especially with hardware, which is probably indicative of the sheer manpower they've got working back there.
Yes, yes.
But on to the Fedora view, I guess, and I'm up first. For those of you who don't know what Fedora is, basically think of it as Ubuntu, but backed by a major company, and it's pretty much the playground for Red Hat Enterprise.
Also, it seems like they like to push the envelope a lot more than Ubuntu by including unstable, not ready for prime time stuff in their releases, which there are some good things about that and some not so good things about that.
I'm not counting this as part of my review, but currently the ATI binary driver does not work in Fedora because ATI hasn't revved their driver for actual 7.4, which still isn't released, although it's coming soon.
On to my review. First, I'm going to talk about the positive stuff because, well, the list is kind of wrong. First, the boot splash is bloody awesome.
It looks really good. It's really well done when you click the details. It's not like it takes a minute to load up the details, and those look good as well.
The artworks decent. It is enabled by default, which some people might see that as a bad thing. I think it's a good thing, except for the fact that there's no pseudo by default, which, depending on what side of the discos you're familiar with, might be a little bit off to you.
It's got a very easy to understand partition here. It's just got three little radio buttons for like, you know, delete my whole hard drive, resize my other partition, and one other thing.
It uses LVM by default, which is very, very smart because LVM is the future. I'm not going to explain it. Google is your friend.
The install, for some reason, seemed very, very fast. It seemed to take about eight minutes from double clicking the install icon on the desktop to rebooting into the OS, whereas Ubuntu, at least on my test system, takes about 20 minutes for that for the Ubuntu install.
It's quite up-to-date compared to open-source and Ubuntu. It's possible because they release about a month later than Ubuntu releases, but it's still quite a bit more up-to-date.
My touchpad, right-hand scroll, worked by default. It has a codec installer, which I'll talk more about in the negatives, because that's also a bit of a negative, although kind of a nice feature there.
The biggest upside is, at least in my mind, it has an amazing firewall, display, network, services, and user manager software.
It makes, for me, at least on NOME, they made open-source's YAST look like a joke. I was amazed.
Although nine, and the Ubuntu forums are very awesome. They're pretty much comparative in my mind to the Ubuntu forums, which seems about standard for desktop districts these days.
I'm pretty happy with that. It felt like all the default settings, except for the typical one where Firefox is not in browser mode by default, and Pulse Audio, which is a personal problem.
All the defaults seem very good.
On to the negatives.
Simply, as much as I like the install, there are too many options, and this time I'm pretty sure of it.
None of them were under an advanced menu. They were just out there, and, again, grandma might get confused by like, what the hell is all this? What do I click? What do I do?
The new package updater is slightly buggy by, and this is just for anyone who's interested in possibly filing a bug report or whatever.
If you see that there are updates, you click the Details tab, you browse them, and then you go back to the Overview tab. It doesn't say there are any packages to update, which is a little bit weird, but it happens.
When I installed it, there were 282 updates. That's just amazingly bad.
And for one, there are probably going to be more updates before the door 10 comes out, and they're not planning on releasing a 9.1 disk with all those updates rolled in.
They don't make getting the end-video binary driver easy, basically, end-video driver, not in the default repos, even in the rpm.conf.d, no way to enable end-video binary, no way to enable repos with flash, no way to enable repos with Skype.
For all that, you have to manually go to Ravena and set up the Ravena repo or use something like Auto 9 to set it up automatically.
That being said, the package repos, what's actually in them, feels very, very small. It could be because the door sorts them differently, as in the door sorts them by like KDE stuff, Nome stuff, XFCE stuff.
When there should be an option to show all, if I want to just browse and see if there's anything interestingly that I use.
I mentioned no pseudo by default, also no W get by default. So if you do decide to install the end-video binary driver by W getting it and then running the binary, you'll have to install W get which can be a pain.
It's just, again, it's in devian by default, it's in Ubuntu by default, what, why didn't it in for door by default.
Also, the codec other one's store doesn't suggest g-streamer codecs, it doesn't suggest exon codecs, all it suggests is fluendo codecs, which other than the MP3 codec, all the fluendo codecs cost money.
Yeah, yeah. Also, the repos are quite slow. I don't think it was my connection because at least on my devian and arch Linux systems, those repos were fast.
So I just, I feel that if the biggest Linux company that sells Linux is behind this, why can't they put some more servers on the door so that the repos don't go at two kilobytes per second?
Yeah, you just might have gotten a bad look, I actually had pretty quick downloads myself.
Also, one thing I forgot to put in the upsides that, yeah, I forgot to write it down, yum is very, very close to the best syntax for a package manager, because it's like yum install, yum update, yum, you know, remove, yum search.
Yes, all of them pretty self explanatory, pretty easy to understand. It's, it's only when you start getting into like, for example, at least this is the way it used to be, I didn't try doing it on, on, for door of this install,
it's installed on RPM, it's RPM-UVH spaced the volume of the RPM, which is just stupid.
Yes, I came across that, but I'm happy that yum has no bizarre alphabet soup parameters like Pac-Man and even polluters and other ones like that do.
Yeah, I agree with that, I agree with that. Also, some of the stuff in there is overly simplistic, which could be a good thing, could be a bit, you know, it makes it a little better for grandma, a little harder to get to stuff for the power user.
I just felt that things were a little bit too buried, but overall, I was pretty happy with Fedora, and surprisingly Fedora, at least in my testing, well, I'll explain.
So granny rating, I gave it an 8.5, because although granny, you know, although it's got too many options and it's kind of a pain to get codex, at least it's as simple as going to the forums, downloading although nine, checking codex and flash, and you're done.
Like you've got to go in and figure out which repos to disable and then figure out what package to install on Ubuntu or some, that's just too much.
For power user, I only gave it a 3.5 simply because I didn't see that it had really anything over the other mainstream districts we've reviewed.
And personally, I scored it down a little bit because it's a bit difficult to get, you know, to custom compile, and it's a pain in the ass to build proper RPMs, at least compared to Debs.
As for annoyance, I also gave that a 3.5 simply because of the updates thin, flash the Skype, and basically needing although nine for that, even though I feel capable of going in and editing my software sources to not have to, you know, to be able to do it manually.
For software selection, I gave it a 6.5, it's decent, you find a decent number of RPMs on the internet, not as many as Debs, but not bad, and like I said, except for the non-free stuff, the repos are decent.
For community, I gave it an 8.0, the community, it's pretty much equivalent to Ubuntu, that goes pretty much without saying.
And for performance, I finally dig RAM and Geekbench tests. I know, you all are thinking holy crap. I gave it a 6.0, it used 160 megabytes of RAM on boot, which, to me, it seemed like less than Ubuntu.
And it also, the Geekbench score was 1,110, which is about 100 points lower than Arch Linux and Debian unstable, which is again about accurate for a mainstream distribution that likes to go, you know, 6 billion kernel modules and Bluetooth by default and all that stuff.
So, and for my overall rating, 6.0, at least in my scoring, I thought it was better than the other mainstream districts we've reviewed so far, but it still can't hold a candle to the districts that me and Jeremy use on a regular basis.
This being said, on to your review.
Okay, my first encounter with Fedora was back around Fedora Core 3 or 4, and I believe it was Fedora Core 3 on a dedicated server I had, and I needed a more up-to-date version of either PHP or MySQL, one of the two.
And to get that, I had to just upgrade to Fedora Core 4. And when I did that, it all went fine, well, and dandy until I restarted the server, and it never came back up.
And I had to pay somebody at the rate of, you know, $152 an hour just to a throw a blank hard drive in there to allow me to, excuse me, throw a blank Fedora Core 3 install drive in there and allow me to copy over all my files and stuff back.
And B, to go yank out the drive that was the hose install and put in the new one at the primary slot, so that was decidedly an unfun ordeal.
So I started My Fedora review by using a Fedora Core 7 pressed DVD that I have from Linux Pro Magazine.
And with the full intention of just upgrading not once, but twice to make sure if, you know, to see whether or not they've really got that fixed now, because I'm still a little bit pissed off about what happened back then, frankly.
And so I install the Fedora Core 7 and OK, I'm a KDE and QT guy, but the Fedora Core 7 artwork is the most amazing artwork I have ever seen.
It is the best looking distro ever period full stop. It was incredible. Even the installer was themed with the rest of the artwork.
I'm a big fan of the Fedora Core 6 Helix DNA artwork personally, but the FC 7 artwork.
Yeah, it was good. It was really, really good. It was better. It was great. It was best. Awesome.
Yeah, it was really good, except I'm sorry. KDE Mod 3.5.9 still beats it.
I actually like it more than KDE Mod 3. And that's not an easy thing to do.
Yeah, that's not an easy thing for me to say, because I'm a KDE and QT guy, and this FC 7 DVD didn't give me the option to install KDE.
It was just you're getting no. And I still liked it that much. Wow.
So I pulled down the however many updates several hundred and rebooted. And the way you quote unquote just upgrade in Fedora is you update as many updates as possible for your release.
And then you have to manually install the update to the next version of the Fedora release RPM.
It's yeah, the RPM space dash capital UVH. There's some alphabet for you. Space Fedora and then the URL to the Fedora 8 release RPM, which basically does nothing more than update your repose.
And so I did that. And then I ran yum upgrade again to let it, you know, just upgrade.
And I got stuck in dependency hell with about 10 broken RPM dependencies. Yeah. And just just to have a little bit of fun.
I added the Fedora core 7 repose that you would need to have a full experience, namely Livna and a few other big RPM repositories, third party repositories.
And I installed some of the things I normally need in one and use in a Linux distro. And then just for shits and giggles tried to just upgrade again.
And the dependency hell got much worse. It will several dozen broken dependencies then.
So no Fedora is still epically failed at this stuff, grading much to my chagrin.
Yeah. I don't know why they can't fix that even with, you know, yum.
So I gave up on Fedora core 7 and shed a small tear just how beautiful that artwork was even as I shut it down.
And I installed Fedora core 9 and it appears to me to be KDE 4 and Fedora 9.
And everything bad that I heard about KDE 4 was true. I am so very, very glad that Gen 2 and Arch didn't bother to even push releases of KDE 4.
They just waited for 4. I am so glad because KDE 4 was hideous to deal with in Fedora core 9, the live CD, locked up and I had to restart and try again.
The installer was, of course, Anaconda. That's, you know, that's easy. It's straight forward. I liked it to have the option to encrypt your entire hard drive at install time. That's, that's nifty.
Yeah. There were some bizarre problems. My speakers all during the live CD, I used the KDE live CD. All during that in the install time, my speakers made this hideous popping noise like every six seconds. It was awful.
I have no idea why, but apparently when it got installed, that went away for the reason, thank God.
So I got it installed fairly out of interest. It took average amount of speed. I'd expect for that old Dell laptop.
20, 30 minutes somewhere in there. Not bad.
The stock KDE 4 was extremely buggy. And when I say extremely buggy, I mean almost all things related to the panel didn't fucking work.
The plasmoids, which are like the tray icons and things like that, they wouldn't refresh. So if you resized your panel, that you would just see like these blank areas where the plasmoids used to be.
And speaking of resizing it, you have one choice for size. Fucking huge, a.k.a. normal, or I can't see shit because everything won't resize properly. If you size down from normal to smaller tiny, the clock still stays at the normal size.
So you see like half the fucking clock and the other half appears at the fucking top of the screen.
Oh God, and the same thing with the Fedora icon that they use for the launcher menu. It's horribly buggy. And it's probably not even Fedora's fault. It's probably KDE's fault.
Which brings me again, thank God I didn't fucking use KDE 4.0.
Yeah, there was no W get, which why it's not like it's taking up that much room. My wireless, the infamous Broadcom Wi-Fi still doesn't work in Fedora.
So to this point, the only quote unquote newbie mainstream distro that actually got my Broadcom Wi-Fi card working to this point is still a bunch of, and I still have to go into the non-obvious area to enable the firmware.
People, people, this Wi-Fi card has been around for years. Come on, get with the program.
Yeah, I at this point, I would agree with that.
And the network manager applet for KDE 4, I don't know why they didn't just install K network manager and push in like KDE Libs 3 behind the scenes.
You know, it's a little extra overhead, but it's worth it for a good network manager front-end in KDE. In fact, I actually maintain an arch user repository K network manager 3.
So I can have a good, nice looking network manager front-end in KDE 4, because to this point, there's nothing KDE 4 native that's a good front-end for network manager.
Unless you're playing around in KDE's SVN repositories, but that's another story for another day.
The network manager applet was hideous, and when I say hideous, I mean to connect to a wireless network.
And by the way, I couldn't get the firmware installed, so it probably wouldn't work anyway.
But to connect to a wireless network, I have to specify the BSSID and the MAC address of the network I'm trying to connect to.
Why fucking why? Oh dear God, why?
Yeah, I just, I got nothing.
And my pet peeve for Fedora, it's been around since I was using it on my dedicated server FC3, and they still haven't changed it.
SVN is not in your path.
Normally in any other distro, one of the sun, you can do pseudo or, you know, SU and become root.
And you can do, and you can execute, say, IW config, if you want to see your wireless network after in its status and what it's connected to and so forth.
IW config is part of wireless tools, and it's installed in almost every distro in S bin.
You can't fucking do that in Fedora.
In Ubuntu, I can go pseudo IW config, works fine.
In Arch, I can set up pseudo to do that, or I can become root, and type in IW config, works fine.
Same thing in Gen2.
Same thing in pretty much any distro but Fedora.
In Fedora, if you want to use IW config, no, no, no, no, no, no, you can't do pseudo, and you can't do SU.
You have to do SU space dash, and the dash is to inherit root's path.
What is the fucking point?
Are you too lazy to do proper permissions on S bin?
Why aren't the permissions sufficient?
Why do you make me go through this bullshit just to run things in S bin?
It's unnecessary.
It provides no real security benefit, and it's really fucking annoying.
So for my ratings, for Granny, I gave it a 6, and I would go much higher on that if they would just go please.
Please, if you're a Fedora person after listening, please find the people who did the artwork in Fedora Core 7 or Fedora Core 6.
Find them and bring them back.
They are incredible.
Because the Fedora Core 9 theme doesn't hold a candle to those two.
I still have a slight heart on for the Fedora Core 7 theme.
If you haven't already noticed.
For our power user, I give it a 3 because it is such epically fail at being able to upgrade between releases.
You can still find RPM dependency hell very frequently, especially if you're using third party repose.
I have a problem with Auto 9.
It further fucks up your ability to upgrade between releases.
It's kind of like automatics.
Yeah, it works.
Until a few months later when some updates come along or you go and try and dist upgrade.
And then your whole world comes crumbling down.
And if you go to the Fedora Core, if you go to the Fedora Support Forms and ask for help, of course you're going to be told,
Oh, well, we don't support that.
So I think Auto 9 is an interesting idea.
But impractical and not what you want if you're a power user.
You want all that crap to be officially or sort of unofficially officially.
You know, quotes in the air on that one.
Supported to that.
Yeah, like something like a non-free repower, like Ubuntu's universe that's in the default repose.
Just comment it out.
Yes, you know.
So for power user, I gave it a three.
And an awful lot of part of the knock on power user and annoyance is S-Bin.
I just have a, it's not even like an annoyance.
It's probably closer to like a raging hatred of S-Bin not being in the path.
Oh dear God, why?
Anyway, for annoyance, I gave it a seven in verse three for if you're keeping count for averaging.
And most of that is the fact that you have to do the Richard Stallman dance if you want anything non-free.
Auto 9's out there, but same problems as I mentioned before.
And then there's the S-Bin problem.
And the fact that, you know, like you said, and I know there's some Fedora people out there that,
if there's any listening to their developers or whatever in Fedora,
they don't like the phrase that you threw around earlier.
Fedora Core is Red Hat's playground and sort of sandbox for testing.
They don't like you to say that.
I think I remember somebody high up in Fedora basically trying to debunk that a few a year or two ago.
But it's true.
It's simply true.
You push the most absolute, most bleeding edge crap out, tested or not.
And it shows.
And most of the time that's going to cause you more pain than benefit.
Right, right. Like, for example, NVIDIA currently has a binary driver that supports XORG 7.4.
But for about two months after Fedora 9 was released with XORG 7.4 release candidate one,
XORG 1.5 release candidate one, whatever.
There was no NVIDIA binary driver.
Your only choices were 2D driver or Nouveau, which currently is made a fail for pretty much every chipset.
Yeah, my biggest knock on Arch Linux is that I don't think there's enough Q&A before they push stuff out and, you know,
breaks some community projects out there with their updates.
But good God, Q&A must be a curse word in Fedora.
They probably don't even, there's probably a minimal testing even. It's just A.
Let's update the latest and push it out there. If it breaks, oh well.
Yep.
I mean, I, I, food, just fun.
And I upgraded to Fedora 10 Vahide or just Vahide. There is no Fedora 10 in the version name, but who cares.
And when I rebooted, none of my icons in Nome worked.
Two days later, there was an upstream update to Nome icon theme that was pushed to,
there was pushed to Fedora that fixed it, but still, I mean, no icons, seriously.
Yes, if you're using Fedora, you are the game pig.
Yeah.
Yeah, so software selection, I gave it a three.
You're not going to win points for me in that category for having an automatic or an auto nine, because in the end, you will pay for that.
And if you go and add those extra repos like the Livner or whatever, if you thought it was a bitch to just upgrade before, you just made it a hell of a lot worse.
Yeah.
For community, I give it a nine, and that's because, you know, Fedora forms is pretty helpful.
The website is pretty good, and love them or hate them.
A lot of the people behind the scenes at Fedora, which, you know, a huge chunk are undoubtedly red hat employees.
They do so damn much of the dirty work to keep Linux going.
Nobody hears about. It's not glorified.
They don't get any, any, you know, real publicity.
And if red hat didn't exist tomorrow, you would find a number of big, important, down and dirty in the trenches, Linux stuff falling out of date, and out of, you know, properly maintained status in a hurry.
And if there's any Fedora people out there who are doing some of that, some of that grunt work for God's sake's email us, we'd love to interview.
Yeah. And I mean, even back in the day when, uh, loom 2 was very new, like 2.0, 2.2 versions like that.
Half the code known was from red hot people.
For performance, I gave it a 4. It was by far my lowest geek bench score.
It was around like 720, which is significantly off the pace of even Suza.
But the memory footprint was actually better even than Ubuntu.
So that could have been because you were running KD4, which 4.0 doesn't have like, I don't think KDE PIM for KD4 existed then, you know, not as much stuff existed.
And supposedly KD4 RAM usage is less than KD3.
Yes. So yeah, it was, it was sort of a wash there. It was on the whole mediocre given that it was a really poor geek bench score, but a somewhat above average, somewhere hovering around average score for memory footprint though.
So I gave it a 4 on that and for those keeping track at home, that averages out to 4.666 repeating, of course.
And so I think that wraps up our for door review, unless you have anything else to add.
Nope, I think that's it.
So before we get into how you can contact us, we will be adopting a new release schedule other than whenever the hell we get it out the door.
Yeah.
We will be, we will be recording on Sundays.
And if you guys are interested in, you know, somehow setting that up so that you can listen to us live, contact us.
We'll tell you how in just a minute.
And we will edit over the course of Monday and Tuesday, which means we will have a release either late Tuesday or Wednesday.
And that will be our new schedule. Record Sundays, release Tuesday, slash Wednesday.
Yes. Yes.
And that will go for both.
So let's draw over a few weeks and point five probably weeks.
Yes.
And so if you have any input you'd like to add on that or any other feedback, you can reach us our IRC channel, which is irc.sourcecast.org.
And our forumsourcecast.org slash forum.
And we have some polls up there as usual.
You know, do you want this to be a video podcast? You know, other such thoughts.
We welcome your feedback on the forums, quite few you have done so.
Also on the actual main page you can add a comment too.
And you can of course email us and I am Jeremy, J-E-R-E-M-Y at sourcecast.org.
And you are.
I am J-D at sourcecast.org.
And so you can contact us any of those ways to, you know, give us feedback.
Let us know what you take the show or release schedule.
You know, if you'd like to be able to listen to us live, which I don't know how we'll work that out.
There's a couple of links podcast that tried that and it ended badly.
Yeah, that's right.
So our next episode will be a 0.5.
And if you've got any news or trials tribulations, you want us to discuss, drop us a line.
But I think our tease for that episode is we will be discussing Ubuntu Firefox antics at least.
Ubuntu Firefox antics and other browser related stuff.
Yes.
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