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Episode: 67
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Title: HPR0067: k-meleon
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Source: https://hub.hackerpublicradio.org/ccdn.php?filename=/eps/hpr0067/hpr0067.mp3
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Transcribed: 2025-10-07 10:56:17
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music
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I don't think let's talk about K-Million.
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This is Mad Rush.
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First thing you want to know is what is K-Million?
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K-Million is a lightweight browser that's based on the Mozilla slash Firefox rendering
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engine.
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This means that it renders the webpages the same way that either Simunkey or Firefox would.
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Now, the main difference with K-Million and Firefox is Firefox uses its own API for the
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user interface, where K-Million uses Windows native user interface API.
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So I guess the second thing you want to know is, okay, why should I use K-Million instead
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of other browsers like Firefox, Rob, or, you know, well, for me, I've been having some
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trouble on my laptop lately.
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I've been using Windows, and for whatever reason on this particular installation of Windows
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or maybe some bad RAM or something on this computer, Firefox has been really acting
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funny and, you know, unstable and quirky, and the Opera has actually been crashing.
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I've never had a computer where Opera would crash before, but now I do.
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So it occurred to me that I'd take a look at this old browser that I tried out a couple
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of years back.
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In fact, I originally checked it out when Firefox was called Phoenix.
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This browser is small and it is fast and it is configurable.
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I don't know about you guys, but I always have a problem where, as an example, I use my
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Comcast email, I go to compose a message, and it wants to open up a new window.
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I don't like Windows.
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I like tabs.
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That's why I bother with different browsers and I don't inter-explore.
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Well, I know for Firefox that, at one point, I'd use an extension that lets you actually
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redirect JavaScript windows like new open windows and stuff to new tabs instead.
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This one out of the box, it lets you pick the default behavior between, like, either tabs,
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like, when you open new links to a tab, it's going to a background tab, which is one
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big thing.
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I don't like about Opera.
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I imagine it's way to change it, but I just never got around to it.
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You can, I haven't said that when I open pages and stuff, it'll go to a new background
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tab instead of the way Opera does it when you click a link, it goes directly to a new
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tab.
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It brings you over there.
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It's in case, like, if you're from Wikipedia or something and you're just, I'll put up
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a million tabs to read through, if you're like me, you'll end up losing your place and
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go back track where you were.
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I'm kind of frustrating.
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This one out of the box, you can set it that way, and you can even have it so that when
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you type in a URL to the, except for the, I mean, address bar, it'll open it in a background
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tab or a new tab or the current tab, whatever you whatever you like, it's flexible.
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This browser is flexible.
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It really, if you go to the advanced preferences, it lets you change everything.
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It's, that's, you know, really sells it to me.
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It has features.
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Even though, you know, it's relatively quick and easy to use and, you know, it's still
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got a lot of functionality.
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Here's back when I used it.
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I really noticed a big improvement even, even years ago, even though Firefox was quick
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then, it was quicker.
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Now, I can really see a big difference between Firefox, it was how it used to be Firefox.
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I'm sure plenty of you out there know how much my memory or it can be.
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Well, when it eddles on my computer, it's almost at a 50 gig, 50 gig, I don't think so.
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It uses about 50 megs, RAM.
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K million, let's see what K million, I gotta, I gotta like, I don't know, maybe 10 tabs
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open right now, let's say K million's using K million's, I got 26 megs under K million
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with like 10 tabs and Firefox, right now, Firefox is at 93 megs, let's see how my tabs
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I got open here, I got 4 tabs.
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So, you know, I don't know if there's just like some kind of enormous memory leak on
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the Windows version of Firefox or if my computer is just going crazy or Firefox is, Firefox
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is just that bad nowadays, but yeah, it's taken up 93 megs, that's ridiculous, not every
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computer has a gig RAM, you know, this computer is about 12, it's pretty good, but you know,
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when your Firefox is using 100 megs or 4 tabs, I don't know what to do, you know, like,
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so anyway, it's a K million, it's still, back in the day when I was just reusing it,
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it really lacked as far as features, getting things like Flash on there, kind of like
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non-existence, because even on Firefox, you know, back then, it was, you know, you had
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to have, no, no thing at all, before you could get it, well, I don't know if it's a consequence
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of already having Flash installed 4 Firefox, but right out of the box, I downloaded K million
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and it has, I go to YouTube, no problem, it all works, so, aside from that, there's a
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lot of other things that are nice, that are built in, that for Firefox, you'd need
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like an extension, one of them is the Opera users, mouse gestures, so, you know, it's
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got mouse gestures, you have your user agent switcher, you know, I think that's pretty
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much standard, standard stuff nowadays, this is a user agent switcher, which is nice,
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in case you get this website to say, oh, you're an explorer, you can't use it, it's got
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a neat little thing, it's basically a session manager, let's you add, they call groups,
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let's you add pages to a group, or layer, or layer, and in this browser, for whatever
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reason, something I don't know, dislike is they, they call tabs, layers, whatever, same
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thing, different name, anyway, the groups, if you have a couple of pages, well, the same
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kind of interest, let's say web development, it would work on a website, and you want
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to see how a few different pages look, when you change your style sheet, all at once,
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well, you know, all in one window, so let's say you got five of those, the M2 group, when
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you close the window, you can get back to them quickly, instead of making a new tab
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for each one, you all you got to do is go to groups, and you pick your web development
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one you just made, and it's also got a feature like how Firefox allows you to return
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your previous session before you close the browser last, it lets you, as a defaults group,
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if you will, it says last session, and you pick that same thing, so one of the things
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that I like about this, I've had trouble in the past where I can't get the toolbars
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exactly the way I want them, whether they don't let you put the address bar up with
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a file menu, or they actually don't let you move the file menu, I think I believe Firefox
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is like that, or was, I'm not sure, anyway, on this one I managed to get it down to two
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rows for my other window, which means I have the most real estate possible for the web
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page, which is great, because on this laptop, it only does 1024x768 natively, now right
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now I've got to hook up to an external monitor, so I can do more, but it's still, you know,
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it's something I want to do for when I am using the internal display on the laptop, it's
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nice, you know, you can hold the machines, you can really make things smaller, visually,
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you know, it uses that real estate, so now there's a couple of buttons on here, right
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on the default toolbars that don't come on other browsers, one of them, which is really
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nice, which is reminiscent of like, if you're using the Windows Explorer, or if you're
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using Conver, it's an up directory button, or up one level, it lets you backpad all
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up a level in the directory of the website, like let's say it's got, you know, your four
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levels deep into some, some odd thing, and you can go back one, or up one, you can run
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over there and, you know, to hit a back button to go there, instead of clicking the address
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bar to leading the, whatever directory you're in, hitting enter, you hit one button and
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it goes up, that's nice. Next up, it's got a go button, which is the same as every other
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browser ever made, it has a, you type in the URL, you hit go, it goes, same as any answer.
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Now this one, as far as the address bar is concerned, instead of having two separate
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text entry fields for the search, you know, I like the Google search, or whatever, you
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know, your favorite search engine is, the search and the URL area are together, it's
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one. So it kind of, it's kind of nice when you end up putting like a, you know, a 10-page
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long thing, it's a little search thing, and you only see a little bit of it. It's nice,
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it's got like other browsers you can add or, I guess, remove your search providers, and
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this one actually comes, unlike other ones, it comes with a quite a few, you know, you
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can, I could go to the list, but it's this kind of point I was able to see for yourself,
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it's got a lot. And I like the way it handles adding and removing them, for, for inner explorer,
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for Firefox, actually, maybe just just for Firefox, I know you got to get like a little file,
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I mean, it's a simple file, whatever, but you still got to go get it, you got to go look
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at a list of extensions, search in there, find your wand, you know, this is just got like,
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I guess you'd say that like a table view when you go to the preferences, and you can just
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put them in right there, it's nice. So one of the problems you're going to face, which is browser,
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is because it doesn't use the user interface that Firefox does, extensions for Firefox
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aren't going to work. That sucks, that's one of the biggest things I like about Firefox,
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so that's a kind of a problem. Now, at least for me, the most important extension I use on
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a daily basis is adblock plus, and it turns out the guys who make that already, you know,
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I guess they must have seen this browser, or maybe they use it even, they have a compatible
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version for it. I looked at their website, it says, okay, download the adblock plus for Camellian,
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unzip it to your Camellian root directory, and then follow these steps. Well, I started
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looking at the steps, and I got a little confused, because they had you editing what would be the
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equivalent of the Chrome user preferences for Firefox, the same sort of thing I hear, and there's
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some discrepancies between what they wanted you to do, and what Camellian told you was the right
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syntax, and this and that, and some looking around, looking around, and I said, you know what,
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let me just try it. So I closed Camellian, I opened it back up again, what do you know, adblock
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plus is installed, it says, hey, I found adblock, would you like to use it? I say, oh yes, I would.
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So I got adblock on here, no problem. I bet you there's some other other ones out there,
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but it's not going to just, you know, plug and play with other extensions, which is really
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the deal breaker, but for me, as long as I have adblock, I can survive. That's the big one.
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So cover groups, cover the extensions, or lack of extensions, I guess. Let's see what else we
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got here. Mass festures, I mentioned that, yeah. Well, I think that's pretty much it.
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If you get any questions about this, or comments, corrections, suggestions, whatever,
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just give me a message at medrushatcomcast.net, and hopefully the audio quality of this one
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wasn't too bad. I'm trying to find out a good, you know, go ahead, do things. Maybe next time
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you better. I don't know. All right, see you later.
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