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Episode: 89
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Title: HPR0089: Notacon Wrapup
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Source: https://hub.hackerpublicradio.org/ccdn.php?filename=/eps/hpr0089/hpr0089.mp3
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Transcribed: 2025-10-07 11:22:01
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This is HackerPublicRadio, today your hosts are DOSMAN and Shane and we're going to talk
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a little bit about what happened at Nauticon this year, what we did for the event and some
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other stuff, lockpicking, other stuff that we did also.
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Some real famous artwork that totally didn't get voted up, but it should have been.
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Yes, George had some tremendous artwork, gosh, I don't even think I could describe it.
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I won't even try, maybe we can post it in the show, no, there we go, that would be perfect.
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Yeah, so I guess Nauticon happened the first week in April this year.
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We will Shane did a bunch of work leading up for the froggy and tiger, asked us if we
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were going to be doing the lockpicking pogo to this year and we kind of got together and
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said, yeah, okay, and what all did you do for the pogo to this year?
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Well, the design idea started last year, actually, while I was at DevCon's lockpicking
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village, and I thought, wow, this is going to be a royal pain if somebody comes along
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like what happened at Nauticon this year and comes along and just attacks a lock with
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such fury that they break it immediately.
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And you know, how are they going to really change that out?
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So when I ended up moving out here and started actually being a part of a group and all,
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I looked at designing something that would be modular, that would vaguely travel well
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and that could have stuff easily changed out on it.
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So being that I spent a lot of time in Japan, I started out by making some Tori gates,
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which are the gates that you see in front of most temples.
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And I took those, I made, I made wall pieces that go in the centerpiece, there's two slats
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per gate, and those are held in with, with eye bolts, and you just yank the eye bolts
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out and you can swap those planks out pretty much however you want to do that.
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And on the eye bolts, we had padlocks and then the walls themselves, there were three
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locks each.
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And the wall is kind of progressed from really easy to sort of easy to nobody opened any
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lock on this wall.
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And you know, we were cool, we managed to open up one of the locks on the wall, but not
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while I was actually in the wall.
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And then there was another lock that everybody was convinced was broken, but I opened it,
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so it's not broken.
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It's still there, too.
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Boom, it's open.
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Yeah, the thing you've been working on for the last two hours, sorry about you.
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It works.
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Yeah, we're really sorry if you're listening, but that was funny.
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I did manage to pull out about four tons of dust that came off of all the pins, so they
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probably don't really look like pins inside of there anymore, was everybody attacking
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them.
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Yes, yes.
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A lot of good damage on the locks.
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Gosh, they've got pictures up.
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Yes, yes, on the Bloomington Fools website, we of course are a locks board group, this
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fraternal order of locks board.
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And of course, based out of the city of Bloomington, Indiana, we have BloomingtonFools.org and
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we've got a couple photos up there.
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You can also just go to Flickr and look up for a Nodicon 5 2008 photos.
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Make sure you skip that one guy that took a bunch of scenery pictures and tagged it with
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Nodicon.
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Yeah.
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Thank you.
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Thanks.
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Dush.
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So yeah, yeah, so you spent a lot of time on this leading up to Nodicon.
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I spent a lot of time on it on my weekends and everything.
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It's stained and it's rubbed with Dutch oil and I made some shingles and stuff like that.
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But I don't know, it was a fun project for me.
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It was much more fun than standing down on my kitchen cabinets and restaining those.
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But the part that really we were showing out for is because Dotsman gave a great and
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well-received talk.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Yeah.
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I actually gave a talk.
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This was my first con that I've actually given a talk at and I talked about.
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My talk was entitled something like mechanic or lockpicking into the new frontier for
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mechanical to electronic locks or something.
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I don't know.
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Yeah.
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Something like that.
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And I talked basically a basic primer on lockpicking and then went into some high security
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locks and then talked about some electronic lock systems that I've built devices for that
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unlock them and talked about some things I'd like to get my hands on like cyber lock.
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If anyone has a cyber lock, I'd love to get ahold of any Dotsman at packets nippers.org
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and I'll reimburse you handsomely or at least in some form or fashion.
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So anyway, that seemed to be well-received and that was really fun getting to do that
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and get to talk to some of the people that I first saw a presentation on lockpicking
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from that came up and you know gave me a congrats on all that like Jimmy Chan and Colonel
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Panic and Idal, other folks.
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So some of the other stuff leading up to NaughtyCon, George and Zach put in a lot of time working
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on some music for the block party.
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We made that reference about George's artworks, stunning the audience.
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He's had a wow photos submission and that was a very the the tamest picture of his and it really did
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stun everybody.
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I don't think that I mean everybody had a wisecrack for everything else but this because
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really nothing really top the wisecrack that was the artwork in the first place.
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Yes, yes and for those I guess I should back up a little bit.
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For those that might not be aware, for the last two years now Jason Scott and Radman
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have been hosting something called Block Party at NaughtyCon.
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It's a part of the same event and it's basically a hair sort of an homage to the old demo
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scene and they have all kinds of entries you could do write a program that does visual
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and audio stuff on your Commodore or on something using the latest you know programming
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framework for X86 architecture or whatever you want to program for and then there's also
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there were like photography, compos, music, different types of music, eight-bit, streaming
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music, modern, electronic but the programming was the big deal with that.
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There was really some awesome stuff out there I was really good to see a lot of people
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turn out and a lot of people just throw their stuff out there you know whether or not it
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was a centaur with a goatee face or if it was somebody's great picture that they had
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taken or if it was just some crazy music that was developed it's that type of thing is
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just way beyond me you know I can stick to something that's about it.
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And there were some great people from that scene there.
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Some of the people I never heard of but a couple of them I was familiar with like a
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trickster who did the full motion video on an XT thing that makes makes slash odd or some
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side every every couple of months.
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He had another entry this year there was Jerry Ellsworth who I think is really cool that
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it was fairly well known in the Commodore scene for well designing her own Commodore board
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using FPGA's and other equipment just doing lots of cool stuff with Commodore she designed
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the D TV Commodore game joystick for home shopping network which was basically a Commodore
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inside a joystick one of those type of game systems and oh yeah if you open it up there's
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like you know a place where you can solder and keyboard jack and all that kind of stuff
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on there so it's sort of like a sort of hiding and sneaking and modern Commodore out to
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the masses and for the tinkers that want to mess with them.
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So anyway lots of cool people lots of good things out there going on.
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So I guess to go back into the lock picking aspect deviant olem of tool was there also
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in the lock picking pagoda and was just doing a kickass job with the Gringo Warrior and Gringo
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were I don't you want to talk about that a little bit? I can. Gringo Warrior is essentially
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a scenario challenge that finds you getting down to Tijuana with fine Dan Kaminsky and waking
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up being harassed by people that may or may not be law enforcement but your handcuffed
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in a room and they want your money and they're going to give you a little while to think
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about it. So in the process they neglected to take your lock picks away from you. So the
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scenario starts out with you and handcuffs and there are see there's four other positions
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that you have to go through that we don't necessarily have to go through them all but you've
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got a door lock you need to pick then there is a cabinet lock and then a dead bolt and
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after that you have to go through a car lock and the cabinet and the car lock are optional
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as far as how far you get away but this is all scored on cool points and originality
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and difficulty as there's three sets of locks that you can choose from at each station.
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It's a very strong scoring system for various levels depending on how you start out with
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the handcuffs there's three or four different positions you can start out with and the more
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difficult position you start out and get you more points and it's also a five minute you have
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five minutes to do this entire course so time is also a factor as well as creativity and you know
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how difficult of each lock that you pick. Neither of us won. We tried but there was a guy
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he was a cool guy that was hanging out at the lock picking pagoda last year not a con 2007
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Dave Klingman and he flew through the course in like a minute and a half or a minute. He went
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through he had his handcuffs I think he had him behind his back do you do double lock behind
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his back or just behind his back. I don't know it was at least behind his back it was behind his
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back I can't remember if they were double locked or not but he got out of that and went through all
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the more difficult locks nobody actually went through the most difficult door lock or through
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the most difficult padlock because it was a new lock that isn't quite the same but I'm not going
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to talk about that one too much. Yeah yeah I don't know when I did it let's see my first run I made
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it in three minutes and one second I believe and I just did the medium locks all the way across
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I may have done one hard lock maybe the cabinet lock yeah you would be pretty good and I for early
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on I was doing pretty good I think I had 404 points 404 yeah you but obviously since I was giving
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a talk on lock picking it was definitely necessary to disqualify me from the prize which I think
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quite reasonable I was just happy that since I was giving a talk on picking I I didn't suck it
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up on the corners oh what were the prizes that Deviant had oh man I cannot remember the artist name
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but he had two really cool prints from a British artist I want to say if I'm wrong on any of this
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don't blame me but there were some really cool shots from a graffiti artist that that he just
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kind of transposed into other situations one of them was a one of the billions of cameras that's
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around London it was pointed at a wall and he had spray painted what are you looking at on the wall
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that was pretty good having been through he threw a couple of times and seen myself way too often
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um yeah it's just it's just creepy I'm only about through Glasgow it's the other
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airport I think I went through the other one and I was rushed all the way through so I didn't
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get chance to check out the security cameras or do anything that are you're not missing anything
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it's all on tape somewhere if you want to see it again I'm sure sure I'm sure I'll be
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imprisoned at some point for something and I'll get to see all this that is not a good admission
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of any kind of guilt or whatsoever so yeah so gosh not a con was a blast um Shane was a lock
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picking pagoda room pretty much the entire weekend yeah I have no idea actually what happened
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not a con aside from what three of them I did go see the block party judging but that's because
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it was at three in the morning and everybody else wanted to as well the first night we went back
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to go make sure that nobody thought that it would be funny to pick the lock to the pagoda room and
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steal all of our stuff and yeah we had the room open for about five minutes and then the room was
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full again so we we stayed there for another three or four hours yeah yeah miss some cool people in
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that time that was uh definitely as kind of nice and relaxed there but uh finally around two
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thirty or three we had just had to shut it down we it was it was a quite a long Friday uh but it
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was definitely cool um and oh yeah um speaking of the three a.m. demo awards Jason Scott if you're
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listening I'd really like to see the demos because I think I was way too intoxicated at that point
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I just cannot remember any of the demos I saw some photos that seemed to possibly jog some
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memories for me on flicker but no video of that so yeah I don't remember any of the demos that I
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saw I just remember um when the people won and thinking hmm I think I saw that but yeah after
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afterwards we had conversations about that and um none of us seemed to be able to remember
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what exactly happened yeah yeah so so demo scene dot us is the block party site so at some point
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they're they're supposed to be posting the uh uh all the demos all the entries for all the
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compos on there so hopefully soon it's not like Jason Scott's not busy or anything making
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two or documentary's and running block party and whatever else he does so what like we like we
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all are busy or something get on it so gosh let's see we saw the award ceremony Sunday uh
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saw heck I don't know will happen wow I don't uh some some guy ran into my car oh yeah that was
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nice that was great um it's not not very hacker-esque but I will tell you that some people are
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still dumb enough to put their socials on their on their driver's license so guy in the big white
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Lincoln don't know what to tell you yeah oh man oh yeah well I didn't have to drive this year
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I suppose but anyway I'll go in that um yeah so Zach and George did a we see for the the packet
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team packet sniffers entry uh the the song that Zach and George made and I had a small contribution
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towards um with a little voiceover that I did came in second place for the the music entry
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and uh so that was really fun and a lot very cool and who won first place on that I have no idea
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was that one that uh fat man wonder was that a different one probably fat man and Jerry
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yeah I know uh there was one that the fat man did win and well you know some people do have a certain
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amount of experience over others and considering he was showing off all the professional stuff he
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does for like big budget movies are relatively big budget movies that's movies with a budget
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movies with a budget absolutely that's not too unexpected but
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oh all right so I guess uh I don't know there's not a whole lot more I guess I have that we have
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to talk about it not a con there are lots of things that went on oh yeah
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anyone if you if you went to not a con and you saw the person dancing around
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um and the clean suit um I'll drop some docs on Zach that that was Zach by the way
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if you didn't know that I all the photos I saw of that they said huh some guy in a clean suit we
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have no idea who it was that yeah he needs credit for that I've never seen somebody bring so many
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costumes to one event before that was quite intrigued go figure no comment I'm sorry Zach
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you'll be able to defend yourself in another episode of hacker public radio here um I'm sure
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so future stuff uh next year's not a con I don't know what'll happen but we might have bigger
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and even better things going on we are we uh started working on our plans for our next
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device that we're gonna unveil more than likely a not a con next year uh for a mixed media
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challenge uh we're also thinking to have some speed picking competitions and a few other things
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added to the pickup because it was just overwhelming how many people showed up in the first place
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so uh please come back again yes we won't sell out of everything this time I think I think uh
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the future is very very promising for lock picking and not a con so um I don't know if there's
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anything else you can think of I think we go ahead and start wrapping up this episode yeah I
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know that we're gonna uh work on filming the uh yes the re-installation of the Ocho
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into my house so yes we have a new victim who's willing to uh put up the uh the Ocho at his place
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since we had to take it down for since Zach moved away um which uh one of the if you're not
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familiar with that one of the earlier episodes of hacker public radio we we discussed the Ocho
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in part 15 a.m. broadcasting um I you should just probably you could search for part 15 that'll
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find it um that's what I did you know so that's about it eventually there's gonna be another
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package in every episode whether does man likes it or not yeah yeah uh we'll we'll I don't know
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we've been saying it for years but I think it might become a reality this time we've got some
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some enthusiasm again to I get some stuff going and uh we're gonna what we'll have in episode six
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sometime in the relatively near future that means in the next year yeah um all right well I
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guess uh I've been Dawesman I'm Shane and uh this is a hacker public radio and always remember if
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you want to host an episode uh just go to the hacker public radio dot org site and you can get a
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hold of uh enigma or someone there that you so you can go ahead and you know record an episode get
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it submitted uh we'll get you hooked up um anyone can contribute content it's a fun way to build your
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your personal speaking skills and other just talking about cool stuff that other technologists
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and hackers might like so I so I guess that's it and I'm sorry that's about it
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and we'll talk to you next time thank you for listening to hacker public radio
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