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Episode: 139
Title: HPR0139: Compiling a Kernel over the Nework with distcc
Source: https://hub.hackerpublicradio.org/ccdn.php?filename=/eps/hpr0139/hpr0139.mp3
Transcribed: 2025-10-07 12:17:59
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Alright.
Packer's over great.
I'm quite too talking to you about kernel compiling over a distributed network with
a program called DISTCC.
Now this is a third part in a kernel compilation series.
The first one we covered had to compile the kernel, which I don't even remember how
to do it anymore.
The second one we talked about had a patch a kernel, which no one does anyway.
But in this one, we're going to be talking about something that is infinitely useful,
I think, than anything, because it's not just compiling a kernel over DISTCC, but compiling
anything over DISTCC.
So DISTCC, that's DISTCC, it's distributed compiler.
DISTCC is basically, you could think of it as a front end for GCC, GCC being the compiler
that we all know and love, and DISTCC will work if you're compiling code that was written
in C, C++, Objective C, Objective C++.
So basically, if you think about it, if you set up DISTCC on your internal network,
it can become the default compiler for pretty much anything you're going to be compiling.
So if you're someone who finds yourself compiling a lot of software from source for whatever
reason, whether you're using Gen2 or whether you're using Slackware or whether you just
like to compile something from source, because you want it to be configured exactly for
your system, or maybe you just can't find it in your repo.
If you're finding yourself doing that a lot, you're going to find that just having, you
know, if you've got a lot of computers on your internal network anyway, they're all on
anyway.
Why not put them all into a DISTCC kind of set up so that you can compile things, it'll
increase compile times substantially.
And I used to think that maybe the benefit wasn't really that big of a deal, because,
you know, you have to think, well, it's compiling over a network.
And so you kind of think to yourself, well, the time that it takes for all that data to
get over your network is basically time just slowing things down, right?
It's just why not just write on your local host, on your, you know, on your one computer.
The data doesn't have to travel back and forth between computers, and surely it must be
approximately the same kind of deal.
But I can tell you for sure, simply because as part of the project I was working on, I
was monitoring, it was part of my job to monitor the network traffic, the internal network
traffic during compilation, some rendering, some video stuff.
And for sure, the network will absolutely fill itself up to maximum capacity if you're
doing things like this distributed workloads.
It's just, I mean, you might be monitoring your network while you're streaming something
from YouTube or something, and you're probably only seeing, you know, 25% of the load being
reached, not a big deal.
And I think that's probably happened most.
But if you do a net stat, like net-space-i for your interface, so in my case it would be
L-A-N-0 for you, it might be E-C-0, whatever, space-D, space-8, that's the delay in seconds,
that this is going to refresh, space-C for a continuous net stat.
That will show you your traffic workload.
And if you watch that while you're, for instance, pinging some website, you'll see little
tiny little changes.
If you watch it while you're streaming video from someplace, you'll see a little bit of
a workload.
If you monitor that, if you're doing a DCC, or some kind of clustered, and like a Beowulf
cluster, like in a deep geek episode where he was doing a Beowulf cluster to convert video,
you will absolutely see your internal network 98, 97% of its capacity.
So on a 100-megabit network, that's not too shabby, and that doesn't cancel out the
benefit of distributing the compilation, that's actually worth it.
So you'll be amazed, I think.
Okay, so now that I've convinced you that you've got to do this, let's set it up.
So I think it's my impression that most distributions come with DCC, but if not, you can always install
it.
You're going to want to make sure that all your computers on your network are using the
same version of DCC and the same version of GCC.
If you're just going to use DCC once in a while, you could always just give it a
flag during compilation, so when you're compiling whatever you're about to compile, just
add at the end of the line of the make line, just add C-C, both capital C's, capital C
capital C equals distcc, all lowercase, d-i-s-tcc, and that will flip over and use distcc as
the compiler for that instance.
But I think more often than not, it's worth just having distcc as your default compiler.
Even if you're away from your network, it won't matter because your computer that you're
sitting at is going to be in the list of distcc computers, so it will only use your local
computer.
It's not like it's not going to work if you're not in your network around all the other
computers.
It's just not going to give you the benefit of having a distributed compilation process.
So let's assume we're going to set this up forever.
The way to do it would be to add a simlink of distcc in your user folder, so your till-day
slash bin directory.
So that's your local little binary directory, and you can add distcc and a simlink to gcc
and g++, and all that other good stuff within this little user slash bin directory.
And make sure that that's part of your path.
It should be, as far as I know, it usually is.
And then you also add it to your Shells RC file, so if you're using bash, it would be till
day slash dot bash RC.
And just make sure that the simlinks for those, you know, the user slash bin is in your
path.
And make sure that the distcc is defined as your first choice for a compiler.
So that would be cc equals distcc, right there in your dot bash RC file, just to make
sure that when you're compiling it defaults, it knows that the default compiler is distcc.
Okay?
So that's setting it up as a default compiler on the host computer or the master computer.
That is the computer you're sitting at doing all your work.
What you're going to want to do is also go around each computer on your network, all
the little client computers or the slaves, and you're going to want to set that up.
You're going to set up a distcc daemon to run on those computers because your local host,
your master computer is going to need to call out to these computers.
They need to have a distcc daemon running to start the daemon on the machines.
You can set it up to start automatically on boot time, which would be fine.
It needs to be, as far as I know, started as root, but you can then use it as any user.
So you can start it as root, for instance, on boot at boot time, but then you go in and
you can say, okay, so distcc daemon, space, dash, user, space, clat2, space, dash, allow,
space, 192.168.x.x.
So you can limit it to whatever master computer IP address you're going to allow to use this
daemon.
You can also set that to be a range.
So if you wanted to say 192.168.x.0 slash 32, I don't know, whatever range of IP addresses
you want to allow, I usually just limit it to one computer.
I guess it depends on your workflow.
If you're compiling a lot of different machines, I guess it might be helpful to have those
open up to a whole range of computers.
But I think it's easiest to go ahead and have it start up at boot time, and you can do
that with just whatever distribution you're using.
There's usually some either a service manager in the GUI to start and stop services at boot
or you can go into the INIT folders or the RC folders, whatever to start.
The INIT services upon boot time, and for a lot of good information on that kind of thing,
you can listen to episode, I think it's like 110 or 112 or 114, something like that.
That Dan Washcoke did on that very subject of how to, you know, the INIT process, the boot,
the boot process, and how things are started and when they're started during the boot process.
So listen to that because he gives you a lot of great information, just depending on whichever
distribution you're using.
Okay, so now DCC should be compiled, I mean, installed and running on all your little
slave computers, and you've got it as the default compiler on your master computer.
So now on your master computer, your local host, you're going to want to make it aware
of all the IP addresses that it is able to use.
And I should mention, you don't have to switch DCC over to a specific user.
You can just keep it running as root.
Like if it starts up at boot time, I think, I know it starts up as root, I think it switches
over to a DCC user on its own because it doesn't want to occupy the user ID of the root
user.
So I'm pretty sure it switches over anyway.
It's just that if you want, it's specifically to be running as a different user, you have
that option as well.
But otherwise, all you basically need to do is install the DCC Damon, or rather have
that up and running on all those computers one way or another.
And so they're set to go.
I just have mine set to come on at boot time so that I don't have to think about it.
Whenever I do a compilation, it's just kicking in.
It's just doing the compilation over the network per whatever's available.
Okay.
So now on your master computer, to make it aware of the IP addresses on your network, you're
going to want to add either the host names, or the IP addresses, to tilldayslash.discccslashhost.
So just do an LS-a in your home directory, and you'll find a .distcc directory.
And in there, there is a host file, and you're going to want to list all the host names
or the IP addresses in the order of the priority.
The priority being the more powerful computers should come at the top.
So if you've got 10 computers on your network, and two of those are really super powerful,
dual core, multiple chip computers, you want those at the top of the host list.
And then if you've got computers that are really fairly slow, you can put them towards
the bottom.
And the reason that you want to do in order of the priority is that your local computer
doesn't really have any way of knowing which is the most powerful computer.
So it's going to divvy out the jobs according to whatever you define it to do.
It's going to give the bulk of the jobs to the top listing, and then down as the workload
needs to be distributed.
So you want to make sure that you're using the more powerful ones at the top.
They also need to be the same architecture.
You're not going to be able to use PowerPC computer to help to pitch in, compiling something
on an x86 or an i386 computer.
So make sure that they're all the same architecture, and make sure that they're in the order of
the priority so that the more powerful ones will get the brunt of the workload.
Once you've got all that stuff added to the host file of the disccc folder in your home
directory, it's all set up.
So you've got disccc as your default compiler, you've got your slave computers running
a Damon of disccc, and you've got your master computer aware that those little slave computers
are out there with IP addresses defined in the host file.
And don't remove, unless you mean to, do not remove local host from the disccc list.
The only reason you'd want to do that is if you want the computer that you're working
at not to pitch in to the compilation process.
But otherwise leave that local host in there because you'll want that to help out on the
compilation process.
When you start compiling the code that you're going to compile, you're going to want to specify
how many jobs you want to create.
So instead of just saying, okay, compile this, make, you know, cc equals disccc.
You're going to want to tell the computer how many jobs it has to send out over the network.
The general rule of thumb seems to be the number of CPUs that exist on the network times
two and then maybe plus one per CPU.
So for instance, like if you've got two machines on your network and they both only have a single
core processor, you would use dash j for jobs four and then maybe add like one per processor
so it'd be six.
So dash j six for two computers with a single core processor each or you could say, like
if you have two machines that have dual core processor chips in them, then you could use,
you could say dash j eight and then plus one per processor so it'd be ten.
So dash j space ten and so on.
So that's the general rule of thumb.
You can give more or less just kind of depending on what you know about your computers.
For instance, if I had a couple of really slow processors on the network, I probably wouldn't
give them an extra job.
I would give them just, I would assign one job per processor because I don't think, and
I could be wrong, but it's not my impression that they could really handle an extra job.
They're slow processors.
They're like 400 megahertz.
It's not going to do you any good to give them an extra job.
But then again, a dual core machine, those are pretty powerful, you can, you can throw
it an extra job.
It can handle it.
Now there's also an argument that you could even go higher if the processors are actual
separate processors.
So like a machine where you've got multiple CPU chips in them because there is, I guess,
a school of thought that the single processor, the single core processors, multiple single
core processors are more efficient than, for instance, one multiple core processor.
And whether that's true or not, I'm not too sure I haven't, I'm not, I couldn't say
for sure, but I've definitely heard a lot of arguments that lean in that direction.
And as you do it more and more, you'll get how to get a feel for what your network or
what you're, you can play around different settings.
It also obviously depends on what else those computers are doing, you know, if they're
not just being dedicated to compiling your software or whatever, then quite possibly you
don't want to give them as many jobs as you would if you know that they're just going
to be sitting around doing nothing otherwise.
To monitor the compilation process, you've got a tool that should, should be installed
along with this CC, called discccmon.moin-text.
And this is just a little text tool that you can also use, you know, via SSA, if you're
not going to be at the, at the host computer, at the time of compilation, you can always
SSH into it and use this little application.
So it's discccmoin-text and then you enter the seconds that you want per update.
So if you want to update every, I don't know, 10 seconds, then it would be discccmon-text
space 10.
And that just shows you a list of the computers, the IP addresses that are compiling and
what the workload for each of those is, it just kind of gives you an update on the status
and how quickly it's going.
So that's a handy little monitoring tool.
Very simple, obviously it's got a pretty low overhead, it's just a little text, you
know, terminal console program, whatever.
You can also just, if you need to, you know, if you're doing some kind of super secret
software compilation and you're nervous about people, you know, monitoring the compilation
process on your network.
You can actually do this all via SSH.
I've never done it over SSH, rather than just entering the IP address of each computer,
the disccc host file, you would enter the IP address of each computer preceded by the
app symbol.
And that will tell it to run it via SSH.
You just need to let the host file know that you're going to be doing it SSH and then
you're going to need to start certain things up via SSH.
And obviously for best results, I mean, make sure that you've generated all your keys
and everything like that.
That's how to compile over distributed network.
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