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+Episode: 548
+Title: HPR0548: How to Prevent Spam
+Source: https://hub.hackerpublicradio.org/ccdn.php?filename=/eps/hpr0548/hpr0548.mp3
+Transcribed: 2025-10-07 22:51:48
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+Welcome to Hack of Public Radio, my name is Soak, so I don't want to talk about spam.
+This is just going to be a very quick one, how I try and handle some of my spam.
+First up, hotmail sucks for spam.
+I've had a hotmail account for years, I really don't use it anymore.
+They're just useless.
+I actually set up one single rule that said if it was an email from anyone that wasn't
+sent to me directly, then mark it as spam, and that actually worked a lot better for
+catching all the spams, then hotmail filtering.
+Got a Gmail account many years ago, and that wasn't much better.
+I've actually amazed by how fantastic Google is for sorting out spam.
+We're going to sit and argue about issues for them, stealing all your personal data and
+stuff.
+Talked to 330 if you want specifics about that, but so this is how I tend to set up, so
+I have Zogelorg, which is the mail is set through Gmail.
+I set up a few email addresses, I explained two different ways doing it, the way I do it
+in an alternate way, very similar, but dependent on how your email is set up, you may be able
+to do one or the other, I may only be able to do one or the other, so you have one email
+address set up, and that's your real email address as it were, and then you have other
+ones, another one, which I call spam at Zogelorg, where anything that doesn't go to an actually
+email address gets sent there, first of all that should remove most of the spam, because
+spam has sent things, I mean let's look at some of the spam I have here, one here, two
+busy to go back to school for a suitable life, a Ford, a dear, a hull, a hull, a hull,
+don't know, how are you, if you want an effective future increase of money and pat on the
+back, smiley face, question mark, special offer, we can give you a diploma, blah, blah,
+blah, and this is actually been picked up by spam, so by Gmail, but it's from apparently
+Sheila Webb, HMSVB at usco, USSco.com, probably faked, I mean there's no real need, you know,
+they actually have a number one three oh one, one three oh one three nine six three five
+oh six, interesting, but there we go, but it's sent to T.A.G.U.J.I. at Zogelorg, now that's
+not a real email address, I've never had that, I've never set up anywhere, they're obviously
+just randomly putting words in front of domains, apologies, trying to get over a cold and
+still got a bit of a cough, so yeah T.A.G.U.J.I.U.J.I.I, no idea, sounds Japanese, but haven't got a clue,
+so any Japanese listeners, can you tell me if that's actually a sort of regular name like a
+John Smith or something or whatever anyway, so that because it's not going to an email address,
+I've set up, gets forwarded spam, so straight away I don't need to wait through all these things,
+I don't have it all going to my real email address in case it doesn't get picked up by filters,
+I don't need to worry about it, so that's the first thing, oh there's one in Russian, no idea what
+the hell it is, it's probably selling something, anyway so this is the first thing, you separate this out,
+so anything that's sent to a non-real address is sent one way, obviously you can still go and check
+it but you don't need to, you can check it once a week or whatever, or once a month dependent on
+how often your spam folder is cleared out, just check there's no false positives, false positive if
+if you don't know how to explain this, if you've got someone's arrested because they think they
+did a crime, you think they did a crime, if they're actually innocent that's a false positive,
+if you've arrested the guy, please innocent, a false negative is you think the guy's innocent but
+he's actually guilty, so you know in this case it's spam, that's not a problem but if there was
+something that sent through to you that wasn't spam but your spam folder thought it was, it's going
+to get picked up, I mean someone could you know type your name or something and it ends up
+into the spam place, now obviously then spam filters will then pick up and try and organize, so
+that should make your life lot easier but this is trying to make it a lot simpler, I mean I really
+do get 400, 500 spam emails a day through to Zodoro and 99% of them instantly get picked up,
+because they're not to a real email address, in fact probably more than that, most pretty much all of them
+do, then after you've done that, what you want to do if you want to limit this bit more,
+if you want to give your email address out to someone but you're not quite sure if they're going
+to be nice, like let's say dream host, never use dream host, so I'm just randomly picking them,
+but let's say they were not very nice and they sold your email address, what you could do is you could
+block them by giving them a fake email address you don't care about but then that's kind of
+awkward because you've got a different email address to worry about, so what you could do here is
+you could set up a dream host or DH at Zodoro or something, again it's not a really email address,
+I don't use dream host, so you set up a DH at Zodoro, until dream host this is my email address,
+you then go into your filters and you say if it's from support at dreamhost or anything at dreamhost.com
+don't know through otherwise, forward it off to spam at Zodoro, because that way if they sell
+your email address you do not care because they won't be sending the email someone else will
+and then it's instantly thrown away into spam at Zodoro, you can even say market a spam or however
+you want to do this, I'll let you play around with the filters and stuff yourself, and so with these
+two techniques which I tend to use more of the first one, I have other ways of doing, I have other
+ways using spam gold may actually to use for email addresses I think people are going to sell,
+but using this you can actually set it up and try and basically get rid of most of your spam,
+I mean you want the 99.99% of your spam to basically just go and you say you don't have to worry about
+it, so that's the main one, I should probably explain spam gold may, excuse me again, so spam
+gourmet.com, I believe it is, yes spam gourmet.com that's trying to remember my fanatic
+alphabet, Sierra, Papa, Alpha, Mike, Golf, Oscar, Uniform, Romeo, Mike, Echo, Tango, at
+at.com, so spam gourmet.com, and you set up an account there which is free, and they actually
+have the source I believe, last I checked you could do it, but they'll give you, so you set
+up an account let's say Bob, and then you have Bob at spam gourmet.com, but what you do is you add
+extra bits in the front, so you can have, going back to the dream host you could say dh.20.Bob
+at spam gourmet.com, the 20 says I want 20 emails and then ditch everything, so dh to the
+front just reminds you of a dream host, and this way you can set up multiple different accounts,
+so I tend to have that first to try and, if I want, throw away email accounts, that
+I probably won't ever want again, but may do because you can go back in and change the number
+of remaining emails, so I'll use that for that for sort of throw away email addresses, and then
+anything else I'll try and pick up through creating these fake email addresses and bouncing sort
+of a cyclic loop. The idea from all of this I should point out was, I can't remember actually who
+did it, it was like a bin rev, and someone was talking about how to filter emails and have two
+different email addresses, one for important stuff and have emailed to your phone or text,
+to your phone to say, hey it's important, and I really can't remember who did that now,
+but that was basically where I got the idea from this, and I've kind of tweaked it a little
+because, well, I don't have a cell phone, I'm actually the, I think last person on the planet
+not to own the cell phone, so I have no need for it to be texted to me, I have no need for any
+of this stuff to be forwarded, so I didn't use any of that, but I thought it's a cool idea,
+sort of splitting, segmenting, email out. So, no, that's basically it, hopefully that's useful.
+If not tough, go make an episode yourself, something you would find useful, but yeah,
+hopefully that's useful for everyone, and that's about it. Thank you for listening.
+If you want to give me any feedback, you can go to zoke.org, that's x-ray oscarkeloco.oscaromeo golf,
+you can send me feedback through there, or you can email me at zoke.org at gmail.com,
+that's x-ray oscarkeloco.oscaromeo uniform at gmail.com.