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Episode: 726
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Title: HPR0726: Journey to Linux
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Source: https://hub.hackerpublicradio.org/ccdn.php?filename=/eps/hpr0726/hpr0726.mp3
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Transcribed: 2025-10-08 01:33:03
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Good morning. Good afternoon. Good evening. It is Mr. Catchett's once again
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driving through the what passes for a rush hour traffic in Kansas City and
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going to continue on on my journey through technological history here on the
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micro computer and treasuring on towards when I started using Linux believe me
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or not. We're going to get there eventually. So I was working at the the
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flutter company in Kansas City. They got bought out by Informix Corporation and
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that gave me lots of good good access to like sun machines and
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salaris and Unix and all kinds of times that there. But I left down to work for
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another company here that had the headquarters here in Kansas City because it's
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not much it's not very nice being you know supposed to be a merger but it was
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really not bought out by the California company and we got some perks about that
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but you know not working to headquarters is not necessarily a good thing and so
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I started in working for a local company here in Kansas City area that works in
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financial services. That took me away from the access to the command line and
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being able to do you know shell scripting and all that kind of stuff and
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actually veered me off into OS 2. Think about it. This is the early 90s though
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what would you base your enterprise wide high availability solution to
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process financial threats with say a thousand seats with people would you
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base it on windows 3.1 or would you would you know based on OS 2 so I veered
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off into that direction and started learning that operating system and you know
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there were a lot of positive things about OS 2 and I still to the say kind of
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agree with some of the guys that I work with that I think IBM should actually
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open source OS 2 to get another interesting thing into the mix it could be
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modernized into a more modern operating system with all of the belts with
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the USB drivers and other kinds of things that we expect now Wi-Fi drivers those
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kinds of things. That company actually bought PS2 machines I beat real IBM PS2s we
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use NCR machines for a while there once again National Cash Register NCR made
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computers they don't anymore the back in this time frame they made computers in
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fact they were the only other people to use micro channel bus and we use
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micro channel bus which was a vast improvement you might laugh now because it
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didn't have wide adoption but it's a vast improvement over the ISA kinds of
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bus machines that were of the time where you had to you know use a little dip
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switches to set you know addresses for things things like that micro channel was
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much more of a plug-and-play it's just that IBM had a patent on that and thought
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people should pay them a license fee put it in their machines and thusly the
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only people who actually use micro channel in their business machines of the
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time was NCR the reason why NCR had been discovered the small computer serial
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interface and so the scuzzy interface patent was traded to IBM for the
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micro channel micro channel bus patent and there's you know scuzzy found
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wider adoption of course and micro channel bit by the way site I did have to
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have my internet connection and so I went through a whole series of internet
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providers probably one every six months I get one just get it running pretty
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well and then they would be bought out by somebody else at this time also my
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wife's a teacher and we had a lot of Macintosh as this is not OS 10 this is
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back in the old OOS six so a seven days and things like that and I was
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figuring out how to get my modem to dial in to these providers for my internet
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connection of course it was on land it was a time of modems right to go in
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though I speak to the houses very commonly back then and I was figuring out
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how to do that most of the time they would just have a setup this but that didn't
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do me any good I would call up the provider and just say okay what do I need to
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put in at such such a point you just tell me you know what this is I can I can
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set it up on my on my Mac system it's like hearing loss here this is
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actually back when I was setting up Macs and setting up ethernet back in the 80s
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it was before DNF got invented as far as I know but for at least before it was
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widely in use so static IPs were the rule of the day and you know you assign
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those IP addresses to every single person out there and doesn't seem strange to
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me because that was the way you did it you managed your network right well there
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was this crazy thing that Macintosh is to do this is once again back in the
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earlier pre-OS 10 Unix time today you it could actually you could tell it a
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range of IP addresses that you wanted the machine to have and then it would go
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out there and try and address in that range and if it didn't get back a
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conflict that said somebody already had that IP address it would just assign
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that to itself so essentially it was a predecessor to DNF except it was the
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machine saying here's the range of things I'm going to try to assign to myself
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and it was catch catch can it's just crazy the creativity that people had
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before they came up with why don't we have a server those these things out I
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had to do a lot of this of course since I was using Mac touch by hand and I
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actually had one guy who calls me back and said you know about Mac
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touch is right would you like help this other guy who has a Macintosh and I
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don't have no idea what to tell him to do to be able to log in I actually
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ended up trading for a month of service and and answered support questions for
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him from Mac touch they call people and you've been set up on their system but
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I kept on going through and going through and it was some of them actually gave
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you shell accounts and I could still do a little shell scripting and get straight
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to the raw command line on those machines somewhere in this time frame I
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discovered two things number one I discovered micro centers in fact I know
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exactly when I discovered micro center in the first time it was in Houston
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Texas I went to Houston Texas six times and during the summer between May and
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September of 1998 and I know that for a fact because that was first time I came
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across a micro center I looked out my hotel window and there it was
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cross the highway from the Miria hotel I was staying in and I know it was 98
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because I stayed up I took a little nap and got up at midnight and went over to
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buy my copy of windows 98 at that store they opened up at midnight you know
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back when releases a window for a big deal and they actually came up on the
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year that was their name so that's just me isn't it all right so micro center
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and it was at a micro center I don't remember whether it was the one there in
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Houston like I said six times the Houston between May and September boy that's
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really the prime time you want to go to Houston right all for one client except
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for one trip to another client that we have we have basically three clients there
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in Houston for now and we had three at the time and either at that Houston
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store or at the Boston store which is that there's 333 memorial drive up in
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Cambridge I know that for a fact because that was my address according to
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micro center for years and finally when they put a micro center here in the
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Kansas City area they had two addresses for me one was in Cambridge
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Massachusetts and one was my address here in Kansas City it may have been at
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that Boston micro center store I have set myself on a couple of you know goals
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that are achievable in life I've gone to every fry store and except for the
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new ones that they open but I've gone to every existing fry store as far as I
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know in California and I'm working on all the other fry stores in every other
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state I've hit all three of them in the Houston area and in fact I went to one
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of them like the the old gosh it was like within a week of it opening down
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their south of Houston close to the space center of course has a space you know
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and I was at the micro center there at the micro center and I came across this
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chorale I think it was version of Linux this Unix like operating system and this
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was a fascinating kind of thing to me now this is still the time of you know
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the dialogue right so you pretty much had to get CDs it wasn't even common to
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have DVDs to find but you pretty much had to get CDs to do an install because
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you weren't going to be downloading a whole bunch of stuff very fast over your
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internet connection and so package CDs were very very common at the time now I
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don't know how to work with the open source things I'm assuming that it fell
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under the aspect of they were selling you a little to support right you know
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because of the box set you can call them up and get at least some answers to
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your questions and things like that and you were they were providing the
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software to you on the CDs and it was duplication of the CDs whatever their
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justification for it was about 50 bucks or so you could buy a copy of this
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stuff and eventually and probably somewhere maybe in the pile of carp it's an
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acronym of stairs in the mad science at lab there may still be a
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Suci Linux or Suci Linux however it is pronounced I bought it was probably an
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open package because that was usually my want on some of these things the
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Boston store especially had some great open package kinds of things for people
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bring stuff back into the store and you get a discount on it and I attempted to
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install that on a Procival app top that I had at the time and I had the
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Procival app that pretty well tricked out as much as you could it had a removable
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CD bay and I had a a replaceable hard drive that I could slip into that bay
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and also a I could slip out the CD ROM drive and put in a very useful little
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drive that would write to zip disks these the old 100 megabyte original zip
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disks and that one stayed in there quite a bit and so I had the the Toshiba but
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you know there were various and sundry things that were problematical getting
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dial up to work and all that kind of thing was a little bit tricky based upon
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what kind of modem you had and whether it was a windmode down which good luck
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on that or whether it was a real modem ship those built into the machine and the
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sound and things like that I basically as I remember got that machine to the
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point where I could get to a command line but I was never going to get an
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excellent dose of work on it and you know I played around with it some but you
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know I didn't stick with it and got it off onto another tangent or something
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like that and I started actually carrying a secondary laptop that was not
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the worklet to try doing my own stuff on it this consisted of the extremely
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overpriced Sony vios which I would never buy needed because I couldn't afford
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those but I was finding reusable buys for those used and they were very very thin
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didn't have a drive include you'd have to have an external drive but you know
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it was it was a viable solution I wanted something as minimal in terms of
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weight if I'm going to carry a extra laptop with me for my personal stuff I
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wanted to be minimal as possible and I tried that out on the various
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Sony's and never quite got everything going to the point that you know you know
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I had a command line but I really wasn't good to do the communications and I
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wasn't good to get to do me and I did play around with sound with never working
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quite right with them and things typical time to things at the time that would
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happen with laptops and I wanted to be something that was looking on the road
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and so I made some attempts there that little nicks along the way there in the
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90s but that's not really running my desktop none of them ever actually stuck
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and didn't really own a desktop machine that was easy compatible until the late 90s
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when I actually purchased one of those just to be able to branch off into that
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real and the things and never did try to put anything on the beige box that
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was Linux related and things like that so that takes you all the way through the
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90s pretty much just occasionally working with it but never never quite taken
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and we didn't really have anything going on at work that was anything related to
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that and eventually I got to the point where I had another laptop that was an
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IBM thingpad I think that's for several years there from work and it started
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getting into some situations where it was having problems with the hardware and
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things like that and I rediscovered Linux in the form of
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muppets which will be the next iteration of this but I think I probably
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rattled on here often enough one last thing though on the technological side of
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things that you kind of forget about number one I always like 1200
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bhaj because I could read that fast and comprehend and not ever have to
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go back or stop but 1200 bhaj was perfect for me 24th bhaj was just a little bit
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too fast in watching all the text go by from the BBS but I could push myself
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in 2400 the interesting thing technologically that you have to remember
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pre this idea of having various concepts of getting high speed your house you
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know most people I had to wait for years but most people have a choice of if
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they live in an urban area a cable mode some kind of DSL kind of a solution
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fiber if they're lucky right so there's various kinds of solutions but back
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in the day it was all about the dial up and I had AT&T dial up that I settled
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on because they had lots of dial up numbers all over the place where I was
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traveling to and that's what I used for years and years and years I bought one
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of the first quote unquote modern pieces of equipment that I bought that was
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kind of the wave of the future from Apple was one of the very first airports
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it looked like a flying saucer about four inches in diameter five inches in
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diameter for this disc right and it looked like a giant hockey puck or one of
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the things they used for curling right but it had this little angled thing that
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came out of it and you would plug in your wires there and that of course gave
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me Wi-Fi and of course it had an e-fibent port on it but the other thing it
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had on it was a modem was built in and that's how I provided Wi-Fi to the
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first iBooks that had Wi-Fi capability and the first Wi-Fi capability at our
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house was provided through AT&T dial up from the very first model of the
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airport dialing in to get to the internet connection and then sharing that
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over Wi-Fi 80 to 11b of course which was more than fast enough for how fast
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that that dial up connection would go anyway this is Mr. Gadget's kind of
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wandering through some of the technological issues along the way and next time
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we'll actually talk about when I really started using nopics and earnest fixing
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my laptop problems with it and continuing on to use that as my dual boot
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solution or choice up until right now we'll talk you later you be careful
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out here on the on the you know technological frontier and I will be trailblazing
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ahead of you bye now
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thank you for listening to Hacker Public Radio for more information on the show
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