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Episode: 788
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Title: HPR0788: Bitcoin
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Source: https://hub.hackerpublicradio.org/ccdn.php?filename=/eps/hpr0788/hpr0788.mp3
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Transcribed: 2025-10-08 02:31:21
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Well, have a great day!
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Good day, my name is JWP and I wanted to do a hacker public
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radio episode in response to the Linux outlaws Bitcoin show on the hacker public
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radio. I was concerned because I heard on the Linux action show that what the
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Linux outlaws guys put out in their very nice podcast about Bitcoin wasn't a
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true representation of the facts and I'm a pretty simple guy and I was like
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wondering what is what are the facts of Chris and Brian they didn't really go
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into the facts. I just said that Fab and Dan didn't cover the facts and it
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wasn't a very factual thing and they were upset that the that the outlaw
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team was the number one Linux podcast for the year and I wasn't sure if it
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was factual or not what they said and they concerned me so I decided that I
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would do some research on my own. You know one of the things that you know
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it's great about the podcasting is that you know that if you hear the if you
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think it's crap you really don't have to listen to it very much. You can get
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the next button on your MP3 player pretty nicely and pretty quickly and so I
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really like structure in my podcast and so I usually tell people exactly what
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I'm gonna do when I do a podcast straight up I don't go into like you know
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three-hour thing where no structure whatsoever that we don't know what's
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gonna happen or what we're gonna talk about. I'd like to be more precise. I also
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like to have an agenda at the beginning of it but I regress and I need to stick
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to the topic. Okay so what exactly is a Bitcoin? Well a Bitcoin is a form of
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currency that's online and whether it's legitimate or not that I can't really
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say there's there's several things. I went to the WiiU's coins.com website
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they had a very nice video it looks like it's pretty legit they have a it's
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just a YouTube video and there's another site from Cornell University that
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talks about the legality of it and I'll share that with you in just a sec. So is
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it legal in the USD's Bitcoin? I went to the form at its form Bitcoin.org
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slash question mark topic equals 227.0 and under title 18 part one
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chapter 95 of the 1960 law there it the there's a prohibition of unlicensed
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money transmission businesses. Whoever knowingly conducts controls manages
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supervises directs our owns all are part of an unlicensed money
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transmitting business shall be fined in accordance with this title and a
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prison for not more than five years or both. Okay so that's that's pretty
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scary and then it says the term unlicensed money transmitting business means a
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money transmitting business which affects interstate or foreign
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commoners in any manner and degree is operated without the appropriate money
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transmitting license in a state such as the operation is punishable by Mr.
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Meanor or a felony under state law whether or not the defendant knew that the
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operation was required to be licensed or not was so punishable fails to comply
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with the money transmitting business registration requirements under section 5330
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of title 31 of the United States code or regulations prescribed under such
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section or otherwise involves transportation transmission of funds that are
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known to the defendant to have derived from a criminal offense or intended to
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promote unlawful activity. The term money transmitting includes transmitting
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funds on behalf of the public by any means including but not limited to
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transfers within this term money transmitting includes transferring funds on
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behalf of the public within this country to locations abroad by wire check
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draft accidentally or courier and the term state means any state in the United
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States District of Columbia Northern Mary Islands or any commonwealth or
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territory in the possession of the United States so it's it's really really
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it's written in 1960 but it seems to affect the Bitcoin right away so in
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response to the law a guy named Gavin Anderson who is an administrator and
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hero member of this form Bitcoin.org said that as long as you're not
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running a business a transmitting money transmitting business you know if you
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want to make your own Bitcoin you're not in business it's your computer you
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can make a Bitcoin if you want it's only a business if you charge someone for
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making the Bitcoin right according to him now he's not a lawyer so you probably
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have to get a lawyer if you're in the States but he went on to say that if he
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were gonna start a business he lives in Massachusetts that he would have to
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jump through all of the hoops to get that started you'd have to be bonded in
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Massachusetts and a license would you have to pay a fee and then you'd have to
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post a $50,000 bond in order to have a Bitcoin company in the state of
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Massachusetts and the United States so it is possible to have it you just have
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to be licensed by the state where you are it looks like okay so I think that it's
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okay if you live in America or your U.S. citizen if you personally have a
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Bitcoin I don't think that it's against the law but I may I may write the U.S.
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consulate in Frankfurt and ask them if it's legal to own a Bitcoin to make a
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Bitcoin I may do that but I don't know it's like asking a policeman if it's legal
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to do something they're not really the experts on law they just arrest you if
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they think you broke law so I guess you'd have to ask a lawyer if it's legal to
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have a Bitcoin or not but I think as long as you don't sell a Bitcoin for
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profit then then you're then you're okay now it's see one of the things that I
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really like to use is a thing called Wikipedia and they have a Bitcoin so it's
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site and the Bitcoin is a digital currency created in 2009 based mainly on a
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self-published paper by Saroshi Nakamoto and a Bitcoin enables rapid
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payments and micro-payments at very low cost and avoids the need for central
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authorities and issuers it's digitally signed transactions with one node
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signing server over some amount of currency to the other node and they're all
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broadcasts on a peer-to-peer network proof of work system and used measurement
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against double speeding double spending and currency distribution mechanism and
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so it instantly works as a sort of like what Fab said you know you generate
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the Bitcoin if you get lucky then you get the thing a Bitcoin if you don't then you
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don't there's a there's some there's in the Wikipedia there's a lot of things
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there and let me read this one US senators have written a letter to
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attorney general Eric holder the cheat and the chief of the DA regarding use
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of Bitcoin black market transactions consequently Bitcoin the UK exchange put
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on a statement calling for regulation of Bitcoin exchanges by law enforcement
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and so it looks like they're concerned the it looks it looks to be that they're
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they're concerned that the that the that the senators are concerned enough to
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write Eric holder the technology it it looks to be exactly the way that the
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Linux outlaws described it doesn't look to be any different than than any
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than any other than any other thing it looks like there was an unfair initial
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distribution so a common criticism is the initial Bitcoin distribution is
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heavily advantaged toward early adopters right so if you were doing it when it
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first came out in 2009 and you set up a server and you started making your own
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money you had a higher propensity to be the one that gets the the Bitcoin then
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the other person had that if you would have known 10 years ago that Google is
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what it is then you would have been doing a lot better too so that's sort of
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crap technical complexity I don't think that it's really that technical I think
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you can put it on any Linux box and on it malware and theft a bit
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can be compromised if a computer with a wallet file can be remotely accessed
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by hackers I don't know haven't heard anything about that but it's in the
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Wikipedia and it's criticized because there's they can be used at the Silk
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Road marketplace and of course the Silk Road is what they do use on the
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Internet to get drugs to your home in the United States that are legal in
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several other countries covert mining and due in 2011 synaptic warned about
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possibly a botnets engaging in covert mining of bitcoins unauthorized resources
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of computers to generate coins now that's an idea make a botnet that uses a
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small percentage of someone's CPU because they don't have a good security on
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their system and and use their system that you hacked to to make you a Bitcoin
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that's that's pretty good and they actually have a
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worried about use of electricity and there was an Australian broadcasting
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corporation caught one of their workers using the company servers to generate
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bitcoins without permission so of course you know if you want some bitcoins
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and you've got a big server farm and you know Australian broadcasting
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corporation and you launch the Bitcoin thing of course you know but that's the
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actions of one individual doing that to a corporation not not you at home
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making your own Bitcoin so moving on the next site that I found that was pretty
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interesting and look pretty professional was a Ian dot Bitcoin dot IT slash
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wiki slash main underscore page and it says welcome to Bitcoin wiki and it has
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the same thing basically as a Wikipedia page and it has a small fact but over on
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the right hand side of the page it says getting started so I'm clicking that
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button on getting started and so so how do you get started this was something
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that fab didn't cover or the the other people didn't cover so getting started so
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you an account can efforts to effortlessly be created using an E wallet
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service an E wallet services provide online wallet to hold your bitcoins this
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guide covers installing a Bitcoin without needing a third-party wallet
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service and so you if you you have a Windows one they have a example of how to
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install Bitcoin and then the first time you use Bitcoin it needs to download all
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the blocks to set up and then if you already have a Bitcoin address at this
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point but you don't see any transactions before the initialization completes
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it can take from a half hour to a few hours it says and then they have it for
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Mac but they didn't have it for Linux so I don't know how to do it for Linux so
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they have it for Mac but they don't have it for Linux I don't know hold on just a
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second okay so it looks like the you do you get a Bitcoin client and the
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original Bitcoin client is it's the comes in under the MIT license it's 32
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bit 64 bit and G and you Linux based on OS's and Mac OS the it looks like you
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can download it from sourceforge.net and so I'm going to source forage and it's
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coming up and I'm on source forage it says Bitcoin is a decentralized P to P
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electronic cash system without a central server or trusted parties users hold
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crypto keys to make their own money and transact directly with each other with
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the help of the network check to check for double spending and you can get it
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it's on it's it's on source forage it appears to be only an EXE file though from
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source forage which means it's only Windows but if you click the other versions
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button and you go to 2.34 and they they do have under under 0 3.24 there is a
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tar file for for Linux interestingly let me see if I can type it into Debian I
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have my Debian up that I just got to building and putting in my password and I
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got the semantic semantic up and let's see here let's go to system administration
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semantic manager okay and then let's type in bit so Bitcoin isn't in the Debian
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standard repositories and let me go to Google again and I've been Bitcoin
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Ubuntu and in the Ubuntu forms on 17 May they say that on 17 May they they talk
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about it and what you have to do is you have to add a ppa to your Ubuntu the ppa is a ppa
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colon stretch slash Bitcoin and then you do update and then you do apt pseudo apt get install
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Bitcoin and there it is on your system and you can Bitcoin yourself pretty pretty pretty
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pretty well and so it looks pretty well so you can get it on Ubuntu it looks like there's a
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form posting on there for Bitcoin and then let's see how do you stay factual okay there appears
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to be several exchanges out there and there's the thing called Bitcoin watch and it has a trading
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for all the bitcoins and it has a data thing and I'm looking for an about about on there
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and about service on there and I press the home button and market overview and it doesn't say anything
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about about us so it's just a website it says bitcoin watch.com and it has all of the prices and
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all the major currencies for Bitcoin to dollar it's $14 for Bitcoin for Bitcoin right now and
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but there's there's no way to really do that and then there's a site called Bitcoin minor
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I'm mine for Bitcoin I show that I run under the hood and what others who mine Bitcoin are up to I'm
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also on Twitter and you got something to add you can say it and the
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and the Bitcoin minor is the a project to create the first decentralized Bitcoin mining pool
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and you can sort of get in there ptp works different from existing mining pool technologies
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each node works on the block and includes payouts to previous share owners and the note itself
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99% of the block award is distributed evenly so you wonder what happens if you don't you know
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if you try to make your Bitcoin and you know you want to run an old laptop or something
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you know and you don't get anything well this looks like this Bitcoin minor.com looks like
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he pulls your resources together and you get a share of the Bitcoin right to sell but I don't know
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how that works how that works and he's got a YouTube video of him building actually a physical
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server that does the Bitcoin minor minor there and he also has it looks like he has a rack of servers
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in the garage no less to do that it looks it looks interesting I'm not sure if it's legit or not
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here's another one that says Bitcoin market.com and this looks like some kind of trading thing
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and it does have an about us button so it bit it Bitcoin bitcoin market.com let's click again
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on the about button Bitcoin market aka bcm was first operational in March of 2010
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and it's gone through several iterations and improvements that are made are made and experience
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gained it was the first to offer a free floating exchange rate and escrow trading system
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and in September 2010 Bitcoin market LLC was organized to become a member of the Bitcoin market
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website an all related material in October 2010 a new web site was put into production
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and the result and this is the result of that endeavor
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just in dollar aka bw dollar is the developer of the Bitcoin market website and owner of
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Bitcoin market LLC normally LLC means that you're in the UK I think I'm not for sure I'm not
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for sure on that and the the on the Bitcoin we use coins.com website they have a Linux
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a Linux download page I'm clicking that right now just to see so you can get it it's installed
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I really don't know how to do it I'll probably go home find an old notebook that I've got and
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put for door on it and see if I can get Bitcoin installed and you know maybe make a couple of things
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I hope that this is a little more factual to me now after I've gone through a couple of websites
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and everything it looks you know maybe like it could be used for some illegal activity
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it also looks like if you were a smart person you could take an old computer and try to
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get some bit coins made it looks like I don't think fab and Dan were as it is not accurate as
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as the Linux action show thought they were but at the same time I'm probably pretty sure I probably
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wasn't very accurate either because I just used websites and you know I've never really talked
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to a real person that made a Bitcoin that's probably what we're missing here is we don't have a
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person that really made a Bitcoin yet and they have them talk us through that you know and it's
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pretty scary you know the US Senate write in a letter about it and everything and you know
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in a warning signs go off about all that you know I'm not sure why you wouldn't use a
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you know PayPal or something like that but I think it's no different than then selling silver
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maybe in Utah now there's a bill before the state house in Utah that they're going to
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accept silver and market rates at the at the convenience stores and gas stations and things
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and I thought that that was pretty novel a pretty novel idea already well again I hope your day
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goes really well my name is my email address again if you need to contact me is jwp5 at hotmail.com
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thank you very much bye
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thank you for listening to hacker public radio for more information on the show
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