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+Episode: 795
+Title: HPR0795: John Uren on FLOSS in the UK Civil Service
+Source: https://hub.hackerpublicradio.org/ccdn.php?filename=/eps/hpr0795/hpr0795.mp3
+Transcribed: 2025-10-08 02:39:24
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+Hello ladies and gentlemen my name is Kanthalan and we're coming to you live to tape from
+Ogkamp 11 and I'm here with John Euren and he's going to talk to us about the UK Civil
+Service and open source software how it uses it and how it's hopefully going to do some
+more contributing.
+Okay, excellent.
+We were talking last night and it seemed very interesting to me that the UK Civil Service
+doesn't jump to mind as one of the top open source contributors can tell us a little
+bit about that.
+Well it's not one of the main open source contributors mainly because we have issues
+around Crown Copyright so any work we do we really have Crown Copyright releasing issues
+and in my particular organisation very simply the software isn't really used by the general
+public.
+Okay.
+What sort of software do you use?
+What sort of software do I use?
+Well apart from the looks and windows at work a lot of homebrew, well a lot of
+creative software that's created internally within the organisation.
+Particularly in relation to open source do you mentioned Etherpad last night?
+Yes.
+I am minister of my works Etherpad server which has been an interesting project to get
+around all the various hurdles and specifically the enormous bureaucracy which does exist.
+It can be quite bureaucratic, even just getting a box to put it on, it's quite bureaucratic.
+Okay, and what do you see as the main benefits for open source in the civil service?
+One of them was cost because we don't have enormous amounts of money within the civil
+service or UK government, we're going through spending reviews like right and centre.
+Another one is the fact that you can just take it apart and hack it for your own needs
+rather than taking something off the shelf which you then work out is not that good.
+So I've done that with Etherpad in work, I've basically reconfigured it so it's better
+for work and can be used by the people in work as a better tool for collaborating.
+And Etherpad was one of the projects that Google purchased and then released back to the
+community.
+Yeah.
+Do you find a lot of people are using that?
+How are your changes accepted by the wider community?
+My changes are sort of easily accepted, I've only sort of put one change back up stream
+so far.
+Mainly because we had issues releasing back stuff.
+So I'm still having to work out more of a formal method of taking stuff that I do at work
+and having them release back into the community.
+That's one of the reasons I've actually had work out to work out the community's reaction
+to the UK civil service, basically contributing stuff back.
+Fantastic.
+And is there a lot of people involved in open source in your organisation?
+There are quite a few people.
+They tend to do it in their not at work time but at home time.
+So they'll do it as individuals at home.
+So I know one guy is a Debian developer and there's quite a few sort of Linux sys admins
+and general geeks, I work around a lot of mathematicians, there's a huge amount of geeks
+there.
+But they all do it as individuals at home rather than through work and we're at the point
+where we're going, right, we need to do this as work rather than at home.
+And did you know what have you done to encourage that?
+We've created an open source software week to discuss the various issues around it to
+get more open source adoption, basically top to bottom, to try and sort of calm down
+fears from seniors that we can't get support for it or we can, or it'll contain holes.
+The general fears are people have using open source.
+And also to try and start discussing, at least within work, things like releasing stuff
+back, which licenses to use because there's a multitude of licenses that we could use.
+Sorting out, as I said before, the crown copyright issue and things like that.
+Okay, fantastic.
+Do you have anything else to add?
+To be honest, thank you very much for coming and I hope you enjoyed the show.
+All right, thank you.
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