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Episode: 815
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Title: HPR0815: Software Freedom Day Dundee 2011
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Source: https://hub.hackerpublicradio.org/ccdn.php?filename=/eps/hpr0815/hpr0815.mp3
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Transcribed: 2025-10-08 02:56:54
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---
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.
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Hello, ladies and gentlemen, my name is Ken Fumman and I'm just Mr Train
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here at Oddcamp 11
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but that's no reason not to do an interview
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and we've got one of our own Chris Finley
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and he's here to talk to us about
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Software Freedom Day and Dundee
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What is Software Freedom Day?
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Software Freedom Day for us is a chance to introduce free software to people
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that don't normally come along to these events like Oddcamp and things like that
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and also necessarily know what free software is
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and so we try to introduce them to that in an easy manner
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with some light introduction talks through a morning
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and not just to do with Linux itself
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but to do Windows free software
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alternatives to a proprietary software that are free, things like that
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and what would make somebody come to that event if they're not going to go to Oddcamp?
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It's a million local event
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so people locally will come around to a local event
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The event's Software Freedom Day is not a single one event in our own location
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it's held worldwide
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and lots of different people do different things for it
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even if it's just passing out CDs or doing a series of talks like we've been doing
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and it happens every year on this 17th of September this year
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That's Saturday's the month
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Where's it going to be held and Dundee?
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We're holding it at the Hanema Clear Centre
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and above the student Abertace Students Union on Bell Street
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so your target audience, I guess, would be students for the main general community in Dundee?
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Preferably our target would be the general community
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It happens to be, last year it was arranged at the same day as Open House Day
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which some places open up their own buildings for the public to come in and have a look around
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which quite time coincides quite nicely
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so you get a lot of people coming in who wouldn't normally have come in
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and they've not actually come in for software freedom day
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but they walk in the door as a few people around
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and we introduce it to them and they're very receptive
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Excellent, I was in a taxi last night as you do
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The taxi driver just couldn't get his head around
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the fact that people would write software for no cost and give it to the community
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How do you, people are so ingrained in paying for software
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and how do you convince them that this is good?
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How do you get the whole concept of software freedom across to them?
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One thing we tried to do is make sure that they realized that
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although the software, people have a very big stigma that
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there's nothing in this life comes for free
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and they're right enough, it doesn't come for free
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and free software doesn't mean free either
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The cost of free software is getting involved in the community
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and giving back to the community
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The moral obligation that's there, that's the cost we have
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So we tried to introduce them and say that this software here
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we can talk to people about it if you need help with it
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help support from it, there's people around the communities around
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that will help more than happy to help you
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do these things
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whether it be business or professional use
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We're also introducing the actually already use free software
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you know things like Mozilla Firefox
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a lot of people picking up open office now as an alternative to
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some of the proprietary ones
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I suppose you have different hooks for different how far down people are
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on a particular software track
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Of course, yeah definitely
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I mean you're going to deal with people in a business
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want software for different reasons than someone who's sitting at home
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doing the software
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I mean one of the things we try to do is
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address all those different areas whichever level
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I mean training has always been an issue for businesses
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and they always worry that the cost of swapping to an open office
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that the training is the big cost
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and they're worried about that
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although there's no licensing cost
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but what we found is open office
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looking lower like the older version of office
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makes it a lot easier
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because the new version confuses them
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and they don't have to retrain it anyway
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as far as persuading them that it is okay
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and it's good software
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we show them at live and action
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we've got demos, live demos running all day
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with different open office, Firefox, and different music,
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media inputs
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we also do a virtualization
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on which to teach for businesses
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that virtualization is something they can do
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very good
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and what sort of people come in during the day?
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we've had a lot of different people coming in during the day
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including people from all age groups
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from 13, 14
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to all the way up to 70, 80, 90
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all very receptive to it
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actually found a lot of the older crowd
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found it easier to understand what we were talking about
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because they didn't have the pre-cursor of using
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the pre-conception of how
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you have to pay for it
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and the pre-conception of how
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something should already work
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people transitioning from
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say macOS or windows
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already have a pre-idear of how
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they manage to achieve what they want to achieve
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and when you introduce something like
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the Linux desktop
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but it'll be no more KDE or that
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they find out
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where's this button?
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why's this button now here?
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and we kind of try and say
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look here we'll show you how it is
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it's just easy to use
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it just takes a little bit of time
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to do not learn the risks
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of becoming the support person
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for somebody if
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yes definitely yes
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and sports very big key
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and that is part of it
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and I think we do get people
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coming back to us time and time again
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looking for questions
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and support
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and the best thing to do is to try
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and give them some support
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in a way that they learn themselves
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so instead of directly showing
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somebody exactly what they need to do
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to do something
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you kind of lead them through it
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and actually get them to do
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they actually fix it
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and they find they learn better
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that way
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and can then teach
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someone else to do that
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yeah a lot of
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a lot of education
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involved
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very much more than just
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handling a CD
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so what would you advise if somebody
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is living somewhere
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and felt that they wanted to do
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something for self
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or a freaking day?
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I think if
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it's anybody could do
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something for self
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and be it
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there's a great CD called
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the Open CD
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it has like open office
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it's got, I think, Firefox
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and the floor
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are really good
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open source applications
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all in one CD
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both for Windows
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and for Linux
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and you can easily
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burn a copy of that
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burn a few copies of that
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home
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go out, hand it out to people
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in the street
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tell about it
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promote it that way
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people are a bit
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suspect of
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especially self-burned
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CDs and viruses
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and all the rest
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you'd be surprisingly
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no, I don't think
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they are
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in a really sad
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and a really sad
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it's quite
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important people
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you hand somebody something
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it's free, great
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and it's quite
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you'd think they'd
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be more suspect
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but I think the general
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people don't
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have this whole
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idea of security
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they don't realise
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as much
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there are as
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problems with these
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it can be problems
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in these things
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and they're quite
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respected
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I mean there was a good
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story or well-back
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in a school in America
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where a kid was doing
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exactly that
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he was handing out
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CDs
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during the school
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and he got
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the teacher pulled him
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aside, took him to the
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headmaster's office
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and tried to get him
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suspended from school
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so he was selling CD
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they said
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I'm not selling them
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they're free
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it's illegal
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which of course
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wasn't true
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it was all open-source
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software to perfectly
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redistribute
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but that's an
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education thing I guess
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yes
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and just because the teachers
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doesn't mean they can't
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learn
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but one thing I always
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want to make sure
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with people
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understand is that there is
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a big community
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behind it
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and a big community
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of people
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willing to help
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willing to spend a lot
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of time
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ensuring people what to do
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another good thing
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we do as well
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if you're
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into open-source
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software
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in season
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and handout
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magazines
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drop them off
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and places
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we'll obviously handle that
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sometimes
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fought
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passing
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the
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advice people to go to if they're interested. If you find it, find it more information
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to suffer freedom days, be at the suffer of freedom days site which is sufferofreedomday.org.
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Don't worry, they'll obviously we're at a train station here waiting for a train so the
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link will be in the show notes for this episode.
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We've been planning the event for quite a while now, for the last two or three months we've already started planning.
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This year we have, I think, up to possibly 13 talks planned this year.
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It's starting, as I say, initially starting on the what is sufferofreedomday and myself
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doing a talk on what is Android when it's coming from and what it's about.
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And then we move further into more technical talks as the evening goes on which things like
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the last year we had how to hack voice over IP and how the security issues with protocol for that.
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This is a bit technical, but we had things in my open street map as well and we've even had
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talks on Blender for doing our own 3D software and I work really well.
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Yeah, excellent. Well, thanks very much for the talk and look forward to hearing more about
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the event after the show, feel free to send us over some talks for syndicate Thursday.
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Okay, thank you very much Chris.
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