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Episode: 832
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Title: HPR0832: OggCamp11 Roundup
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Source: https://hub.hackerpublicradio.org/ccdn.php?filename=/eps/hpr0832/hpr0832.mp3
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Transcribed: 2025-10-08 03:12:28
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Hi everybody, my name is Ken Fallon today. I want to give you a roundup of Ogcamp 11.
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In today's interview, we're going to be talking to Stuart Lammage from the canonical
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and formerly of LogRadio. Les Porter to give us behind the scenes talk, but also a roundup.
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I had an interview with Les afterwards. We also talked to AID from, also from the LogRadio
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podcast as well as putting in guest appearances on the Linux Outlaws from time to time.
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We spoke to Laura and Poppy as well and then we have one of our own Robin
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Gatling from the full cervical podcast. All that more in today's show. Hope you enjoyed.
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Hello everybody, my name is Ken Fallon. I'm talking to Les Porter, who's just come down here into
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booth. He's about, looks like a man under a bit of stress. How are you doing Les?
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I'm fine, thanks. A lot of stress all today, so it's very busy here at Ogcamp.
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From what I can tell is about 200 plus people here today. It's quite a lot.
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There's a lot of people. The venue is great as well. There's plenty of space, big rooms for the
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talks, lovely exhibition area, lots of fantastic cafe, just outside where everyone's congregating
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and getting together to talk about projects. So you had this when you were involved in the previous
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shows? I was involved in Ogcamp previously in Liverpool, running the Ubuntu Install Fest with
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Stuart Ward and Ajaz Muhammad. Similar to what Alistair and Rose doing here today with the Install
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Fest. Yeah, previous to that 2009, I was just attendee coming to see what it was like.
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It's a bit infectious, all right. The whole feel, you can't help but want to get involved.
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So, what exactly are you, what's your goal, what's your heart are you wearing here today?
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My heart today is crew manager, so I'm making sure that we've got crew doing the jobs that
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need doing, everything runs smoothly and that the presenters don't need to worry about a thing.
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Okay, and how many people are on the crew? 20 plus, we've had a couple of additions today,
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last minute additions, just walking. So, roughly 20-22 people all doing various jobs from
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AB equipment with cameras and mixing desks, reception desks people, people selling mugs and
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raffle tickets, people walking around answering questions, everything you can think of.
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Yeah, it's been a must, it's been absolutely fabulous here with the show we've had.
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Any request has been fulfilled in five minutes. I brought the wrong power card,
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while I brought an adapter, but that doesn't work and within five minutes I had a new cable,
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microphone stands, everything organised. So, I'm really enjoying the show. How is the booking system
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working now? Well, camp plan manager, it's working well, there's a few niggles, we found a book today
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with partner software, which we're going to report to the guy who created camp plan manager,
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John Sprix. We'll let him know this book and I'm sure he'll be very accommodating.
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Is John here? He's not, no, he's looking after his son Daniel this weekend.
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Oh, that's, yeah, Sprix, because I would love to meet him, I owe him a beer from the past.
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Unfortunately, I wasn't able to get a HBR show on today, so we'll try again in the morning.
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Brilliant! Okay, so just before we round up, I'm going to ask you one to set to the listeners.
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If you're interested in our camp, go to the website opcamp.org,
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have a look and see what's happening today and also future events.
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Also keep an eye on Linux Outlaws website and once the UK for more information about future
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at op camps. It's been absolutely fabulous, thank you very much for putting on the show,
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and thank you to you and all the crew for a great job that you're doing here.
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I'm really looking forward to getting here with behind the scenes and up at opcamp.org
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and I'm just not steered language, you'll know him as AC from Log Radio. How's it going steered?
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Oh, not too bad, I'm not sure I'm me from Log Radio anymore, we haven't done Log Radio for a while.
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What about Episode 6?
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Well, the fact that we did a recent episode count not.
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So how are you? How are you enjoying the show? How's it going so far?
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So far it's really cool, I've not been here very long, but op camps just so nicely put together
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and professionally, it's really quite entertaining, come here being on the other side of things for once.
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And I like the fear of it, I like the way it's set up and I get to see a bunch of people
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I don't get to see very often, so it's all cool.
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I find it interesting to me a lot of these people had only met online and then all of a sudden
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you're sitting at breakfast with a guy from Punchbang or you're walking down the hall
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and you know somebody who you listened to every week is suddenly there in person.
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I think that's exactly the point of confidence really, you can't need the UK does need
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a conference like this and op camp pays to be filling that need, which is great.
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A need that was started by Log Radio many, many years ago.
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Oh well, maybe.
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I remember I was at the first and second Log Radio and it was a scary feeling coming up
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to the doors of a conference like this and then you walk in and everybody's so friendly
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and everybody gets on and like here at the booth I've had loads of people come up and just go,
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yeah I'll do it and talk about my project.
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It's a really good way to get people get interested in all the people's projects and stuff.
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That's exactly the idea, you know, you want people to come somewhere like this and
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hang out with, I'll be able to make connections and talk to people who work on the projects that
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they use or the things that they hack on or just stuff they like.
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I think you're as part of the work in Ubuntu, I guess you get around to different conferences
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in the States or here in Europe and I would just say that those more formal ones would
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compare to an event like this.
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Different kind of vibe. A formal conference is primarily, primarily designed to be about
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learning something from experts. So the people who are speaking are renowned in their field
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and your idea is to go along and listen and go away having learned something.
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Something like, yes absolutely the people here are experts, they're talking about stuff that
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they love, but to me it's more, something like Altcamp is more about hanging out with people
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rather than being given information by them. Now most conferences have that feeling as well,
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I mean only very very very formal business conferences have no social aspect,
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but Altcamp, the Altcamp pendulum tends to swing more towards the social end of the spectrum
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and a more formal more expensive conference, swings a bit more towards the learning end.
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Excellent and how is your work called? Do you want to one project, how's that going for you?
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Actually, excellent, we just announced that we've just gone over a million users.
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Ubuntu and it's going from strength to strength which is great and we've got the Windows
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client is in beta and we're doing a bunch stuff on the web, we've got music streaming now on
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Android and iOS and it's all good. And is this restricted to Ubuntu or can somebody on
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Fedora and other distra start using? Absolutely, the client's all written in Python or VALA.
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We've certainly had a couple of people interested in packaging the stuff up for
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Fedora or for Arch or for whatever and there's no reason why it wouldn't run. We haven't done that work
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and it's not as high on offer until this is some other stuff but we're certainly happy to give
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some pointers, help anybody who wants to do it and as I say we've had a few people step up,
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be interested in packaging and running Ubuntu and stuff on deviant on Fedora. I know there's been
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those too and I think there are a couple of others. What would you say to say one of my biggest
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fears with storing stuff on the cloud is the ability for somebody else to access us so I would
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prefer an encrypted solution on the cloud. Is that something that I could use Ubuntu 1 as a
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basis for and then in some way mounted as an SSHFS drive with encryption built in or something like that?
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Well, you can absolutely encrypt the data that you store in Ubuntu 1 if you want to.
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Just encrypt the files and then signal to Ubuntu 1 they'll be encrypted and they'll stay
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encrypted. We have had a couple of people who want to work with Ubuntu's encrypted home
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directory stuff so as I understand it the way that works is what seems to be your home directory
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is actually a mounted thing and what's actually your home directory under the cover is a big
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bunch of encrypted files so you could make those encrypted files be synchronized to Ubuntu 1
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at which point everything just works seamlessly the stuff that's stored in the cloud will be encrypted
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the stuff that's on your machine will be available to you so if you want to do that you could do
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a few people have asked us about this and we've said we believe this will work we haven't tried it
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but we'd if someone wants to do a bit of work on that write something out find out about it come
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and ask us questions I'd be really interested in seeing the results of that so what I
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and that's a topic for another day and hack about the gradient thank you very much
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Jack for for giving us the interview and I hope you enjoy the rest of the show
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for measures a familiar host here and it is welcome coming from the full circle podcast to
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mainly on syndicate and periscope and how's it going it's very good thank you so I wanted to do
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a ride I got him for the introduction this morning first thing just sat through Simon Fitt's
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excellent talk on software freedom and Karen's unscheduled but nonetheless very good talk on
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medical devices oh fantastic um so are you recording the shows I've recorded both the sessions
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so far and I shall be talking to a few people around the conference over the next couple of days
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so yes expect a couple of shows from us once I've got it all back together and edited later on
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so what is to your editing tools and one thing I must say is that the quality of the editing puts my
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tools to show so talk to us about how you edit you feel I put everything through audacity
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fairly traditional I have a fairly traditional background because I used to do traditional
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analog editing for theatre so I go through pretty much the same process on the digital front I'm
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multi-tracking cutting and splicing and I have fab disease if you listen to Fabian from limits
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limits out laws episode 200 where he talks about his editing process I'm just as obsessive
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about my audio quality as he is so it takes me far too long in audacity to cut and splice and
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clean everything up but I think that if I don't put the care and attention into producing the show
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why should anybody actually listen to it because we're focused because we're learning
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well then folks you you know that the series on how to edit the podcast is being
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called also the podcast is based on syndicate with person so hopefully we put that in on
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the special how to record a show to make it a little bit more accessible from the main page
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so we're looking forward to the most here today I think the highlights for me
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have always been listening to the live shows that have come from previous op camps so I'm going
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to sit in the main hall and watch the mayhem unfold hopefully there'll be a few good discussion
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topics coming up and we can watch the the outlaws and the you can see folks maybe with a bit of help
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from Stuart who's here from lab radio and like the old Monty Python sketch we'll find a good room
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for an argument excellent thank you very much for stopping by thank you
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hello you've got some nice things to look at for camp for you I don't know managed to
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call an island hall who I didn't recognize last night in the park so I don't know how you do
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that's fine I'll get you back later you can buy me a drink that's fine that is the intention yes
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yes go well yes loads of people here some good interesting talks from some cool people like
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Simon Fitz and Karen is the head of the known foundation this guy talking about music he
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was talking about digital forensics it's all kinds of stuff it's really cool did you have any idea
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when we started did you want to UK podcast that you know it would turn out like those people
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playing in from all over the world just to be here okay no I kind of thought that when we first
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started it was kind of thought that we'd just have a bunch of guys chatting around at a room and
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you know maybe a few people might download it and listen to it and I never thought it would come
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into the real world of actually you know meeting people in person and people coming here to talk to
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other people and you know have conversations with like-minded people it's yeah it's quite it's quite
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bizarre now how it's moved on in the last three four years yeah and do you find it very stressful at
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all or I just let everyone else do the work you know no yeah it is stressful I mean in terms of
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you in the podcast and we have a workflow now we've been doing it four seasons now we've got a
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workflow that works for us we've split the work up between us because there's four presenters we
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you know we we're able to divvy work up between us something someone like yourself where you're
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doing everything like well well in this instance you are like holding the microphone and talking to
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me and you know pimping everything whereas you know right now with you BC I'm standing here and
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someone else is doing some work somewhere you know and I'm not so having having multiple people
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really helps us to like divvy the work out yeah I didn't realize how much work the crew did
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initially I thought you know in the first uh okay um we would turn up and we'd have to do everything
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and and kind of get the the to be errand boys going off and doing the stuff for us but actually
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it turns out you know they use their own initiative they go off and get stuff done and they just know
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what you know you should be done to make this whole thing work it's really really good yeah
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excellent I would just say it compares to other conferences um uh it's I don't know some people
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might say it's this professional you know it's a bit more ad hoc it's uh um you know it's not as polished
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um I think a bit more community driven and I and I think the the fact that you know people take
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it on themselves to choose what they want to talk about and come along and help organize things
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means that it's not about because it's not okay it was a union PC and Lilix Outlaws they've got
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together to make this and then happen but it's not about everyone else who comes here and
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and the fact that people come along to do their their their talks and show off their um their
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interesting projects and and sell their wares in our exhibition areas just fantastic yeah it's
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great it's really good so what are you looking forward to coming up um I've missed one of the talks
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so I'm a bit annoyed at that uh not because I'm talking to you uh but there there's a couple of
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talks that I missed but the really cool thing is this year we're videoing every single one of them
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once we've got the mission of the person uh we're videoing them all and we've got a little edit
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suite out of the back and they're and they're uploading them so actually I'm less stressed about
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you know rushing around from Romeroon to another because I know that I can see them later on but
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I certainly want to see the one on digital forensics as well I'm interested to know about
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Oracle Linux as well as I talk about Oracle Linux and I'm interested about IPv6 as well so
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and and the great thing is I can see these later offline it's fantastic there's a great selection
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of talks uh to miss unfortunately you can get the history on Romeroon so we'll have to do that tomorrow
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okay so anything else you want to say to the listeners um where's it going to be next year
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if it's the question haha yeah thanks for that uh so the first one was in Wolverhampton the
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next one was in Liverpool uh down south this year in Farnham I would love to see one somewhere completely
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wildly different you know whether it's somewhere in the back and beyond in Scotland or in a completely
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different country yeah I I'm like to see somewhere else you know because I think we've covered
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like North and South England it's nice to go have somewhere else there we are doesn't it
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I don't know all right come on that's up to the place okay thanks very much
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okay thank you I look forward to buying your beer tonight oh I look I very much look forward to drinking it
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hello everybody my name is Kampon you're just in front of the radio we have scenes here at
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on camera just uh walk past eight how you doing I'm doing good thanks what talks did you get to see
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um so this morning I went to the message queuing one that seemed pretty interesting um as for
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yesterday I can't remember what to also into but uh the live show was a lot of fun that was great
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so um what I'd like um you know you've organised a lot of these what's it like being on the other side
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of the table well you've been very generous because I didn't do a great deal of organising for
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a radio to be quite honest but uh yeah it's nice to be somewhere where you don't have anybody
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asking you you know where should it be going what should it be doing so yeah just sitting back
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as a participant is really nice and uh this place is so well organised compared to anything that
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we ever put on you know it's unbelievable I know I think you're uh it is well organised so
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let's leave it with that but the radio has had their own charm as well um so what's going on
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in your life you've been working for Red Hat though yeah so I'm still working for Red Hat I've been
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there about 18 months um yeah I love it so I've moved down here I'm living literally two miles
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away from this venue so this is perfect for me so it saves me going to Wolverhampton or to Liverpool
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so yeah literally you've been able to sleep in my own bed every night it's awesome yeah
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have you uh you know you did a lot of um guest episodes on um learning soundclouds not something
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that we can see in the future hope so yeah I mean the nice thing is that uh my girlfriend
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lives in Bond which is where Fab lives so uh you know when our calendars collide or whatever
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I say it's yeah I pop along and do recording and uh it's good fun yeah thanks very much for
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taking the time and uh enjoy the rest of the show
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you
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morning everybody my name is Ken Fallon and uh it's on campus over actually
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uh we're outside just having breakfast and I'm here talking to Les how are you doing this
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oh fine thanks so um people might not know of you if they haven't been to
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Ogkamp I wonder could you tell us why you're so significant
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uh this year Ogkamp I was a crew manager looking after different aspects of the events
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such as the crew themselves health and safety oh logistical things such as making sure the
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rooms have got people in them to man the cameras uh to sign off forms to send off uh memory cards
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down to our AV suite so it could be elitist to be put online um and generally just being there
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in case anyone's got any questions okay there was uh one comment that I heard throughout the entire
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weekend was how efficiently everything was organised I know from under HPR boot um few occasions
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we don't have this five seconds later it appears magically we don't have that
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next thing we have a power cord uh everything was as smooth as butter so
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did you have like a how-to document do you go to www.howtoorganise festival that comes or something
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no no at all um a lot of it is common sense for mistakes I've made at events that I've done
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in the past um and I'm just using those mistakes and lessons learned and making sure I get it
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right this time such as um we're more crew than what we needed but that's fantastic because it
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means you can rotate the crew around so the crew aren't doing one job all day you can have the
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crew doing the job for an hour swap them off with someone else they get an hour's breaks
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gone watch a talk or whatever they want to do your person comes in does the job for an hour
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vice versa yeah I don't know if people understand like every room had two people full time
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in their working uh so what can you can you just describe the when when it started and
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uh basically work away through all the to-do list right to the end yeah um I can take it from the
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top and when we first got there in the morning it was a simple job of looking around the venue to
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see where the rooms were none of us have been in there to see where the main hall was where tindle
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suite was or where barley was so it's just a bit of orientation to see where things are those
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were the three rooms that the talks are going to be held in that's right yeah we also had the
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exhibition space where you were with your booth um after that's done it's then looking at what
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he's doing so signage tables chairs electric networking campfire manager cameras computers for the
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AVs suite um what else did we need banners putting up which on two nights we forgot to take down as
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well that's a fail whoops now well uh lesson learned for next time yeah were you supposed to
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from the organisers taking the the one outside yes the one inside was fine um but the one outside
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was on the car parts it could have been pinched but I don't think you would have been down in
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uh lovely uh seri butter could you never know yeah you never know um once all the basic logistics
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had done like setting up stalls uh raffles and t-shirts and mugs uh it was then going into the
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rooms having the cameras set up by the AV team and that was led by Alan Bell yep make sure he's
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got what he needs so he'll need crew to man cameras and also to pick up the release forms for the
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videos so in the three rooms that we had we had two members of staff working all day so there's
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at least one person in the room at all times now that person's job is after the speakers finish their
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talk is to walk up with a release form and say would you like this video on the web if they say no
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no problem it won't go on the web if they say yes send this form we'll take it that and the SD card
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back to the AV suite and they'll copy that onto the hard drive and then encode it at a later date
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yep it was a real work for somebody who's been to start this morning yes we were hoping to do it
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so in situ unfortunately um map you dobbeney's machine it was only uh encoding video on one core
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even though it was a quad core zion i think it was so it wasn't quick enough it was taking four
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hours to render 30 minute video from HD so he's now i'm gonna be doing that work at a later date yeah
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that is absolutely fantastic um but i'm guessing there's probably been an awful lot of work prior to
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the event where you involved in that as well or was that the yeah it was involved with that um it's
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really i came on at a little bit late um probably about a month to the end so i actually found
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it out all logistics and what happier um so i was playing catch up for a couple of weeks but after
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that is just simply sitting down with down yeah well not physically but uh and just looking at
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what we want what are our requirements for the event so we broke down the requirements into groups
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so a v um stalls health and safety signage that sort of thing and i'm looking at what crew we've
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got if that member of the crew has specific skill like the a v team yeah they're instantly put into
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the a v uh bundle yeah and everyone else i'll divvy up the work between them so everyone has a
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job to do yeah been on the day just simple case of okay that needs to be that needs to be let's go
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and it didn't end after the show there were other events where you were organizing extra
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extra festival events i guess yeah um the dimensions of the bar at the hotel yesterday morning
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that there's going to be a lot of thirsty geeks coming back from the event and could they stay
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open a bit longer and uh to the credit they did normally it's a half ten close we got half
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eleven last night which was quite good it was a bit of an improvement as to be said listen do you
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do you have a document somewhere or a website somewhere that we put this down for other people
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to be able to you know if they want to organize it in a short just at least a take list to have
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people thinking about it for future events not a search but it's a good idea something that
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could be done i mean after this event now i mean a couple of days sound there'd be a debrief
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with them the presenters in the crew just to ask what went right what went wrong yeah and then
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from that a lessons learned document could be produced that would be absolutely fantastic because
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i know a lot of people here in the Hitchcock are not supposed to festivals and they're
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were involved in fact today i just posted a show about the high linux fest which is the next
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fest coming up and i'm sure there's a lot of lessons to be learned oh sure there is i mean i've
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learned lots of lessons kind of past a year from doing events i've done about four or five
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what are the other events did you do um there was my own in Manchester in april yeah what was that
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that was called you cubed um that was an Ubuntu and Debian events so it's bringing both
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communities together just a day of talks it's a very small bar camp there's only two rooms
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but it was really well attended about 40 people turned up yeah um we had an install fest going
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on the back of the room with old machines but a raffle with prizes donated from different
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organisations including one of the members of our law cube generously donated an old computer
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of theirs very good um dan linch did the keynote talk there and we had anamoris who's um i say one
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of the leading members of three software in Manchester for women yeah who she also has flossy.org
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as well l o double s i e dog linking the show not and um that website is all about women in tech
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and oh frees off where yeah that's something she started with paul agrain from foss box
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um so it's quite interesting that all these people turned up and the lessons that i learned
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in a day were don't start the talks too early because people don't turn up straight away
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if you say doors open at 10 start the talks about 10 45 not at 10 like i did um
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um and really it's the crew aspect on the day there was enough crew at uq's just to do the job
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but we didn't have a lot of resiliency if some of us wanted to go out for some food
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we had people covering two or three different things whereas our camp if someone's
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going out for food we had enough people to just to pull in and do the job while i went out and
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got food yeah everybody the cruising quite relaxed as opposed to uh other conference was where
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the running from one thing to the next thing and you know this is getting done but yeah people
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had time to come around and have a chat and uh did you organise all the AV stuff uh the
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intercommunication walkie talkie jobies no that was Tony Whitmore's job that uh it was yeah
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it was a walkie talkie man i just turned up and abused him very good by doing lots of very old
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1970s CB language over the radio uh look very cool in the desert so what's next now that you
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become like mr organized talkie um well the next thing for me is a week today and that's um i'm
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all guys in blackpool geek up or geek up blackpool to give it its under name properly which is a
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monthly social event for geeks in the area okay just turn up in a pub that we've got have a drink
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chat about projects are working on we've got projectors and screens and what have in the pub
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you can give a talk or if you don't want to give a talk you can sit in the bar and have a drink and
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just chat and that's just a monthly thing that we do just just a bit of socialising really
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it's absolutely fantastic uh not maybe not have to get a little bit of a hangover but it seems
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like a great idea yeah i'm feeling a bit rough this morning as well yeah listen i'm going to
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call the hall to it there um if ever you're involved in any events and you want to uh
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promote them here in HBR gives us a shout and we'll organize an interview or you can of course
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come record a show it's really easy to do folks just go to aga public radio the other org for such
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contribution contribution show thank you very much let's talk to you later thank you
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