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Title: HPR0879: SMLR 009
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Source: https://hub.hackerpublicradio.org/ccdn.php?filename=/eps/hpr0879/hpr0879.mp3
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Transcribed: 2025-10-08 04:00:46
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---
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Welcome to the Sunday Morning Linux Review with Tony Beams and Matt Enders.
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Is episode nine for the week of December 11th, 2011.
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Second week of December, Christmas shopping on the way.
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Yeah, I don't do any Christmas shopping.
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No, oh, you did it all on Black Friday.
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No, I don't do any Christmas shopping.
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I don't even buy my wife and president.
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I say, you know where the bank card is.
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Come with yourself something.
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I just don't do any Christmas job.
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She's the only person I've done.
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I have shopped for.
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And your wife?
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No, I will get her something, but she's the only one.
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Yeah, my wife absolutely buys for everybody else, which is the same,
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which is the purpose of having a wife, isn't it?
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Okay, all your girls out there, please.
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No, hey, Mal, I'm just kidding.
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Kim loves doing it.
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If she tried to have me do any of it, then she would freak out.
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And yeah, my, because my wife is so into the deal.
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She's, she like, she, she gets practically orgasmic,
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saving 15 cents on something.
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It's crazy.
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It's just crazy.
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That's funny.
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But I did read something and I told her, but I don't think she really heard it.
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I read this thing last, last week that says,
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if you work more than nine minutes to save a dollar,
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you have worked for less than minimum wage.
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But what does that say when you have more time than money?
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I don't know.
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I agree what you're saying.
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And when it comes to,
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I'm just not a shopper.
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I'm not a shopper.
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When I need something, I go to a store and I buy it.
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I don't go to five stores and look at prices.
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No, I go to, I, I am like the retailers' wed tree.
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I need something.
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I walk into a store and I say, how much is it?
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Here's the cash.
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Matt, what's happening with the kernel?
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Hey, thanks, Mike.
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And then the kernel release news this week.
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The latest RC release is 3.2-RC5.
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It was released on Friday, 12.9 at 6 p.m. Eastern Standard Time.
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It has been slightly over a week since the last RC release.
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And RC5 is bigger in number of commits.
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Many of the commits are small, so it is possible that the diff
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will be smaller than both RC2 and RC4 work.
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A big part of this release is that Ingo is back and had a backlog.
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That isn't enough to explain it all.
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There were XFS and butter IFS changes along with network updates
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and the usual 50% of random driver updates.
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Greg KH announced a release of the 2.6.32.50,
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the 3.0.13 and the 3.1.5 stable kernels on 12.9.
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The 2.6.32.50 kernel had 27 file changes, 164 insertions, and 54 deletions.
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The 3.0.13 kernel had 93 files changed, 659 insertions, and 201 deletions.
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And now I get ready for the 3.1.5 kernel because it had 135 file changes,
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1170 insertions, and 471 deletions.
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No small changes there.
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Holy cow.
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And now for our kernel quote of the week.
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Hey Linus, stop working on subsurface.
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The scuba diving log that doesn't suck during the week.
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So you can get the latest RC out before 6 p.m.
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Eastern time, so it's easier for me to do these updates.
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Insert appropriate smiley here, not enders.
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So he's out scuba diving and so ready here for you.
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He's got this new project.
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It's called subsurface.
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It's a scuba diving logging program because he's a big scuba diver.
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And he released an update for that on Wednesday.
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So knock it off during the week with the subsurface stuff and stick with the kernel.
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Do subsurface on the weekends.
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Right.
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So what does it do?
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Like keep track of where you dive.
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I'm not a scuba diver.
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I've read peripherally about it.
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You do stuff like log your dives, and then it logs how deep your dive was.
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How much area you use, your rate of air use.
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Oh wow.
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I guess this kind of stuff divers would be interesting in.
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Yeah, that would be good.
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Cool.
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Well, the kernel is just plugging along.
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Just like you would expect the kernel to be.
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Yeah, I have a hard time getting in the kernel because
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it's hard enough for me just to understand what it does.
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I mean, I understand like it's mods and the kernel does things.
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And it needs support for devices.
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But that's the extent of what I know.
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Because I'm not a programmer.
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Tony, what's going on with the Linux distributions this week?
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Thanks, Mike.
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Yeah, we have from DistroWatch.
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We have quite a few releases this week.
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We have Ubuntu, Privacy Remix, came out.
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That looks interesting.
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I wonder if that's something related to
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the other, I wonder, does it, do you know,
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would you look into this at all?
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Does it have the...
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Ubuntu Privacy?
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Sure.
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I'm looking right now at the DistroWatch website.
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Oh, there I see it.
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System to protect...
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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
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...fying and data theft.
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Apart from others.
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No, I have not looked into that at all.
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I have no idea about it at all.
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I didn't even know it existed until five seconds ago when you said
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Ubuntu Privacy Remix.
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Oh, yeah.
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This includes the...
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it used to jowr tour kind of like how tail does.
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So, yeah, it looks like tail, but on Ubuntu.
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I have no idea what tail is either.
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It's a...
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Don't tell me we talked about it.
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It's a Privacy, really, live CD.
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So you boot your computer off of that.
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And then it gives you like total nananamil of the...
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Ananamil?
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Ananamil is that the way you're going for it, everybody?
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Yes.
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And it goes everything through the tour network.
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You're browsing, you're email, you're...
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So they don't know you're in and out of the tour network
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where you're coming from.
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So ideally, it's total...
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You know, anonymous, but like we said,
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there's always ways to track
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if you can get inside the tour network, you can track it.
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Anyways, the next one we have
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is Turnkey Linux.
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This is used a lot with the VPS or systems,
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you know, like virtual private networks,
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or not network systems, virtual private...
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, like so...
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Like, yeah.
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Like, I have a website that I have hosted on a VPS.
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Right.
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Okay.
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Yeah, and they specifically have their images
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up on the Amazon EC2 system.
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What Turnkey does?
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Turnkey does.
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Yeah, so when I was looking at setting up an Amazon instance,
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I saw a lot of their turnkey ones,
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but I was...
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I'd never heard of them at the time,
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so I was kind of leery on how much.
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And basically, what it is is they have a different image
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for every application that you want to run.
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So they have an image with just WordPress,
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already set up and running.
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All you have to do is plug in your stuff and go.
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They have one, you know, for a mail server
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and all sorts of things.
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And there's a ton of them.
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So it's really ideal for someone who wants to set up a server
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and doesn't know a whole lot about just getting it working.
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You know, they just want it to work
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and plug the stuff in and go.
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And it's fast.
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So you don't have to spend the time trying to install updates,
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install the programs, you know,
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Apache, the Lampstack,
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then WordPress, and then get going.
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It's all ready to go.
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Wow.
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That sounds pretty cool because like the VPS that I bought,
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well, hey, it was very cheap and cheap.
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But when they did the install on it and fired it up for me,
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I logged into it and it was like,
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Debian, a release back.
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So I had to change all my sources in it
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and then upgrade to the latest Debian
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and then I had to install the Lampstack.
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And so yeah, that might be a good way to go.
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Wow. Yeah.
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Because I mean, it took me probably three hours
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after the VPS was up and running
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and I could log into it
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to actually get a web server running on it.
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Oh wow.
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Yeah, I think they both something like 15 minutes
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from, you know, choosing your turnkey
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image off of the Amazon thing
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until when the web site's running.
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Well, it's something really fast like that.
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That's pretty quick.
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Yeah, and then we have ultimate,
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you, the ultimate edition,
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which is Linux Mint distribution.
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Now, yeah, this cracks me up.
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It's Linux Mint based, okay?
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Now, Linux Mint is based on Ubuntu,
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which is based on Debian.
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So aren't we getting a little far from
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like the original, what's going on there?
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I mean, that's an awfully long upstream
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for distribution, you know what I'm saying?
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It sure is.
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It's saying that it's based off of Mint 11,
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which is based off of Ubuntu 11.4.
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So it's a little bit behind,
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but it's still ultimate.
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It's a cool name.
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And then Red Hat, they have a release 6.2.
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And, you know, it's Red Hat.
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They have the company behind it running it.
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There's really not much more to say
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than it's Red Hat.
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Yeah.
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KLOS 11 11 11.
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Which was released on 12.11.
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So we don't know where they get the 11 11 11 from.
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Exactly.
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Although it has a GUI installer now.
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Wow, that brand new GUI installer thing
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that every other distribution except Debian
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has had for multiple, multiple years.
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But Debian also now has had it for multiple years.
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So yeah.
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Well, this is interesting as it says
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a hassle-free automatic installation.
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Pre-installed Apache,
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MySQL, PHP MyAdmin, and BlueFish.
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We have BlueFish as an HTML editor.
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I use it a lot actually.
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It works really well.
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Sweet.
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And so yeah, that looks like they're trying
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to be some type of a web server out of the box.
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But then if you read on,
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they've also got Firefox and Libra Office
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and, you know, I bet,
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and TweetDeck and GnuCache.
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So are they trying to be a web server
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or are they trying to be a desktop?
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Or what are they trying to be there?
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Maybe it's a, like a,
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or a developer or web developers desktop.
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So it already has Apache running.
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All they have to do is plug the files in and go.
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Ah, yes.
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That makes sexual sense now.
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I was trying to figure that out.
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I didn't get web developer desktop.
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But yeah, that would work out of the box pretty well
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as a web developer desktop.
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Nevermind.
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Sorry, kale, guys.
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And then SimPlace.
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Is that how I, or Sim, yeah, place.
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SimPlace, but didn't you miss one?
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Hmm.
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I don't think I did.
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Did you miss Santa Was?
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Oh, I did skip over there.
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The Santa OS 6-1?
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Yeah.
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It cracks me up.
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Santa OS 4 days after Debian,
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I mean, 4 days after Red Hat has released 6.2.
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The Santa OS team is right on top of it
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and releases 6.1.
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They're lagging behind there.
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A little bit, a little bit.
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Wow.
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Anyway, so that's interesting.
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Santa OS is a good system, though,
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and being a community-based releases instead of...
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And it's a development release, but that's okay.
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Oh.
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Sent us?
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No, SimPlace.
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SimPlace.
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What did I say?
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You said it was a regular release.
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Let's...
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Grab.
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We're going to cut all that out.
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I don't know.
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You're going to work that out, but...
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No, I don't know.
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Maybe we'll just leave it in for...
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For...
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S&G.
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The Distro of the Week,
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according to DistroWatch,
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calculated by website HitzPerday.
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All right.
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So, just before we talk about who's where...
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I had a little clarification,
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and apparently Matt knew this,
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but their HitzPerday
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is calculated on the DistroWatch's page.
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Not the actual distributions page.
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Right, because how would DistroWatch know
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the HitzPerday on the Distributions page?
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Right, I can't.
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I thought maybe they were getting some kind of
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you know, the stats from the Distributions.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And a book, there's not going to inflate theirs
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to never be number one alone.
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So, no, no, it's...
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It's only based on the ones they can actually count,
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which are the HitzPerday of their page.
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Of their page.
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All right, so...
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But if you're going to DistroWatch first,
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and then say, oh, wow, let me check out CentOS
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or whatever,
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then you would land on the DistroWatch webpage for CentOS.
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And then you would say, well, wait a minute,
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this isn't CentOS.
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And then, but there's a link on that page,
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two CentOS.
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So, it's almost a guarantee that
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anybody clicking to the DistroWatch webpage
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is then clicking through to the actual distributions webpage.
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Sure.
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Would be my guess.
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Yeah.
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So, number five this week is Debian
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with 1367 Hitz.
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And Fedora has the number four spot with 1427.
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Ultimate with the new release of...
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with Hitz of 1744 or 42.
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You've bunded two with number two
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at 1977 and Matt.
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And then at number one,
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we've got that minty goodness
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with the blowaway number of 4115.
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Holy cow.
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And that's all I have for Distro's this week.
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We had a lot of releases.
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But interesting ones.
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Sure.
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Turnkey is pretty cool.
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Yeah, I'm going to have to check that turnkey out.
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That's pretty sweet 15 minutes to a website.
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Instead of three hours just to get freaking a patchy running.
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So, I don't know if they have those images on your...
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No, they don't.
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Your service.
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But I definitely do know they're on the Amazon EC2.
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But I have to look at that Amazon EC2.
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From what I understand,
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it's actually getting more affordable.
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Yeah.
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Well, they have the free version where you can use it for a year.
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And it's like 768K or Mega Ram
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with no hard drive space.
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So, you're going to have to pay whatever for hard drive space.
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Or maybe up to 15 gigs of space.
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And then,
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or 10 gigs, something like that.
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With a single core CPU.
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And then if you need it to crank it up for specific times,
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it's like that's what we use for the MD log.
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Yes.
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On the weekends.
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Crank it up.
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And that doesn't cost that much to crank it up for just a repeated time.
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No, for five hours it was, it's like two and a half dollars.
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I don't know.
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We were looking at it and last month,
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last week or something,
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Amazon charged just $5,35.
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Yeah, last month.
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So...
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Is that what Mike replied?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, because there's a problem with the club's credit card.
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It's coming out of the wrong account.
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That's why we were looking at it.
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Yeah.
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They said this really doesn't belong in the show.
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So...
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Yeah.
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So, that's what we have for distributors.
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It's time for the tech news of the week.
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All right.
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Hey, thanks for that.
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Now, we have Jay Query tells the real story about the plug-in site.
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Or why you should have a backup more recent than a year old.
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Jay Query plug-in site developers have finally told the real story in a blog posting.
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The plug-in site went down about a week ago with just this message.
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The plug-in site is currently unavailable.
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We've been looking to provide a higher quality,
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spam-free experience at the plug-in site for some time.
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And we have decided to temporarily shut out the existing site.
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We will be providing more details on the new plug-in site soon,
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so that plug-in authors can hit the ground running with our new submission process.
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Well, what really happened was in an attempt to clean up the spam using
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Drupal Views Bolt Operations.
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All of the plug-ins were deleted.
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Oh, no.
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And the only backup was a year old.
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No way.
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Yes.
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What do we learn from this?
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We learn backup more recent than a year and keep it somewhere.
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Yes, often.
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Yes.
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The developers asked for forgiveness and some help in developing a completely new
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plug-in site.
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The plug-in site heated renovations for quite some time due to the spam issue
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and because of how plug-ins were managed through the CMS that was cluttered and awkward.
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They were planning on replacing the site when events caused an immediate need.
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Yeah, they'd already been planning on replacing the site,
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but then they kind of really screwed up and had to replace it right away.
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How can you run a server and not run back up?
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I don't know.
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Yeah, and when I say events, I mean the accidental deletion and lack of a backup that was
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the impetus to move to those plans of action.
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The jQuery plug-in developers should...
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No.
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Jay, this is what the developers or the website guys are saying to the jQuery plug-in developers
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is that you should create a GitHub presence, even if you just mirror your existing source code
|
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management and then the new site that's being developed on GitHub, it's going to be at GitHub.
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.com slash jQuery slash plug-ins.jQuery.com.
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And there is currently no date for its launch.
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Nice.
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Now onto a bit of nastiness in the open source stuff that's going on out there.
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Download.com was accused of wrapping NMAP in a Trojan installer.
|
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Ooh.
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NMAP author says CBS Interactive and CNUTSDownload.com are wrapping the open source
|
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application in a proprietary installer. In the past, they have never altered the application
|
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downloads they serve up. They have been changing that over the last six months.
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Gordon, Fyodor Lyon.
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Fyodor is his online handle.
|
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Lays out his issues in a posting to the NMAP hackers mailing list.
|
||||
He claims the installer does things like install the start now toolbar,
|
||||
makes Bing the default search engine, and sets the user's home page to MSN.
|
||||
Obviously, this is for the Microsoft NMAP download.
|
||||
Right.
|
||||
So, because if you're running Linux, it's in your repositories, and it would just be an apt-get
|
||||
install NMAP away.
|
||||
Yeah.
|
||||
Well, I wonder what they're bending to the pressures of their users.
|
||||
Yeah, this is.
|
||||
Well, let's read on for what else is.
|
||||
So, this is how a Trojan installer function.
|
||||
If the installer is separated from the download and sent the virus total,
|
||||
it shows that 10 of the 42 scanners they run it against,
|
||||
identify it as a Trojan or AdWare installer.
|
||||
Jeez.
|
||||
Also, the NMAP trademark is displayed next to offers to install software
|
||||
as if the NMAP organization supports these products.
|
||||
As NMAP is not under the plain GPL, but under an enhanced version,
|
||||
that specifically prohibits aggregation into a proprietary executable installer.
|
||||
Download.com initially claimed its scheme is simple for developers to opt out of.
|
||||
The opt-out is not automatic, though.
|
||||
Download.com says all opt-out requests are carefully reviewed on a case-by-case basis.
|
||||
Not merely fairly not.
|
||||
Yeah.
|
||||
Ryan is looking for a US copyright attorney and wants to get the word out to
|
||||
hundreds of users who use Download.com every week to download NMAP.
|
||||
CBS is Download.com site has been called out for this type of behavior before.
|
||||
In August, extreme tech claimed similar behavior with the media player VLC.
|
||||
According to an FAQ from CBS, this installer software was rolled out in July.
|
||||
Well, after the fecal matter hit the fan on this, Download.com backpedaled in a big way.
|
||||
In a statement, Sean Murphy, the vice president and general manager of Download.com said,
|
||||
the bundling of this software was a mistake on our part and we apologized to the user
|
||||
and developer communities for the unrest it caused, then adding that they had
|
||||
reviewed all open source files in our catalog to ensure none are being bundled.
|
||||
Ryan posted an update stating that Microsoft had been in contact with them and claimed
|
||||
they didn't know they were sponsoring CNET to Trojan open source software.
|
||||
Microsoft also stated that they had stopped the practice, which seems a little odd since they
|
||||
said they were unaware that it was happening in the first place.
|
||||
So now the Download.com installer changed to install the babel on toolbar, which did
|
||||
different search engine redirection. And then CNET later removed that and is now installing
|
||||
its own tech tracker tool for uploading, for updating downloaded software.
|
||||
However, they are also restoring the direct download link which allows users to download files
|
||||
without out having to download the download manager.
|
||||
Who knows if these changes will call the controversy, the changes only affect open source software
|
||||
and the proprietary freeware and trial software on Download.com will still have the download.com
|
||||
installer packaging. A number of open source programs at Download.com still had an installer
|
||||
wrapping them. There has been no general apology for bundling GPL software with closed source
|
||||
installers from Download.com. So yeah, bit of nastiness from Download. And I used to use Download.com
|
||||
all the time and I'll never get anything from them again though. I used it sparingly in the past,
|
||||
not because I had something against them. It's just like there wasn't much on it that I actually
|
||||
needed. But this definitely makes me not wanting to. I'm never going to go to your Download.com
|
||||
again and I would I've always been the area of those installers that say no install this.
|
||||
Well, and I haven't used it for a while. And because and when I always used to use it, that
|
||||
that in Download Manager was always an option. But I would never use it. I'm like, I don't want
|
||||
to need a Download Manager. I can manage my own downloads. Give me a break. And so I would just
|
||||
always click on the direct download link. And I didn't even realize they'd taken that away.
|
||||
That's how long it been since I've been there. Oh, yeah. I had to use a driver's guide this week
|
||||
for that other operating system. And they they're doing the same thing now. They're wrapping all
|
||||
the drivers in their own proprietary installer and an S and S to install these other things while
|
||||
you unzip their drivers. Really? Yeah. Because I I've used driver's guide fairly heavily in the past.
|
||||
I haven't used it in a while, but that's just crazy. And that was the place to go to get the the
|
||||
drivers if you needed them for that other OS. Yeah. I know about five years ago. It was awesome.
|
||||
You could get anything from there. You didn't have to sign up for it. And then for and then there's
|
||||
a while they they're making you sign up. And now they're bundling all these other crap win with it.
|
||||
I mean, I understand sites. There's administrative fees. Yeah. I don't know lately. I've been finding
|
||||
because you know, it's not that my need for drivers is lessons, but I've been able to go to the
|
||||
manufacturer's websites actually though and get them. Yeah, I generally go there. I've been able to go
|
||||
to Dell's website or HP's website. Look up the model number and bam. They've got the drivers
|
||||
right there. So yeah. And that's when it's when it's an OEM machine, then or whatever you want to
|
||||
call it and you're a manufactured computer, then I always do that also because you that you know
|
||||
they're and you know, because you know it's going to work with that hardware too. Exactly. But it's
|
||||
when if you get a modem from a custom machine that you have to install a modem from this was five
|
||||
years ago. But you have a modem. You have to install the drivers for it and it doesn't have a
|
||||
manufacturer's ID on there at all. You have to like search the chip number. I've done that.
|
||||
I have done that. So yeah. So then that's when you get into. Yeah. But think I do not do it with
|
||||
Linux. That's right. It's all right there, baby. Yeah. On to our next story. Researchers at Google
|
||||
have proposed a fix to the SSL dilemma. Did you even know there was an SSL dilemma? I heard
|
||||
something about it. I was aware of the same problem for now. I was aware of an SSL dilemma because
|
||||
we had talked about this SSL. SSL dilemma before. Google researchers Adam Langley and Ben
|
||||
Laurie have proposed a new method for ensuring the trustworthiness of the public key infrastructure
|
||||
underpinning HTTPS. Yeah. Now they're coming back. Yeah. Their idea is based on a public list of all
|
||||
certificates ever issued by certificate authorities. The two problems with how the current system
|
||||
works are. First, if an attacker can compromise any of the more than 100 certificate authorities
|
||||
and acquire a certificate as Amazon.com and users would not be able to tell the fraudulent site
|
||||
from the rear one. Second, the way the system currently works, Amazon would not be able to detect
|
||||
the fraud either. Langley and Laurie believe that a public list would mitigate both problems.
|
||||
Whenever a website offered up a certificate, the browser would check the supply certificate against
|
||||
one of these public lists. If the browser did not find the certificate on any of the lists,
|
||||
the site would be treated as untrusted. Companies would then be able to check these lists regularly
|
||||
to locate any fraudulent certificates, which means that even if a criminal was able to obtain a
|
||||
fake certificate, they could not use it effectively. Merkel's signature trees would be used to
|
||||
maintain the integrity of the lists. The proposals might not be implemented, and if it is
|
||||
no one knows what sort of time scale it would be on. Yeah, that's a pretty big change.
|
||||
It takes a while. It's a huge change. But there's also other alternatives being proposed,
|
||||
like Firefox's extension convergence. This is the one we talked about, that convergence thing,
|
||||
which is being pursued by a security expert, Moxie Marlin spike.
|
||||
But my question is, what is the problem with SSL again? Is it that- Well, because one of them
|
||||
was compromised, one of the- I know, but with the- And being compromised, are they getting the
|
||||
actual search from- Yeah, yeah, yeah. Some place in Iran was able to get- No, some place they were
|
||||
getting searched. It was some place in Iran. The Iranian government says it wasn't us.
|
||||
Was somebody just- Yeah, but you know, I ran the internet so locked down that yeah,
|
||||
some little Joe Blow went out and did it. No, it was the Iranian government. And they actually
|
||||
obtained certificates for eBay and things like that, and so that they could spoof those sites
|
||||
could then be spoofed with HTTPS, and your browser wouldn't be able to tell, because it had a
|
||||
certificate that was legit. But then how would this- if they have the search, the legit search,
|
||||
then how- Because they compromised the certifier. So they replaced the- the search that's on
|
||||
the certifier? No, they obtained a new search from the certifier that says this site is
|
||||
ebay.com or whatever. Because I'm sure eBay- How would the-
|
||||
And how would the search- Oh, so what- No, but they- they would had to add another
|
||||
cert in for eBay. Right, they got a new cert. They got a new cert added into the current
|
||||
certifier. Because they compromised that certifier. So when they obtained the
|
||||
cert from that certifier, fraudulently, it just dropped right into that certifier's database.
|
||||
No, that's what- That's my question is, if they obtain it, then there's no way to tell if they
|
||||
have, you know, there's even another list wouldn't be able to tell you. But what an open list would
|
||||
do would then ebay on a regular basis would have a crawler that crawled the lists. And then it would
|
||||
say, what, that's not one of our server addresses. That cert's not legitimate. Oh, so it's on the- the
|
||||
certified to go out and check on it. The- Currently, no, currently nobody can go check on it.
|
||||
Right, but if in this new system it would be- the responsible would be on the certified group.
|
||||
So like- Correct, to crawl the list regularly and make sure that nobody had to obtain.
|
||||
Oh, it's in your own best interest to do that. Yeah, yeah. And ideally, if you have your own
|
||||
web crawler, you could do it yourself, but- Yeah. So Google can do it. Oh, I and ebay can do it,
|
||||
Amazon can do it. Yeah. And anybody who's big enough to- I wouldn't be able to- Yeah, you're not
|
||||
paying thousands of dollars for a freaking cert either. Right. I'm personally using the self-generated
|
||||
inserts for my HTTPS stuff, so- Yeah. And onto the next article- Androids Revenge on Apple's
|
||||
iPhone and iPad. Could Apple be regretting its worldwide war on Android? A German court issued
|
||||
a preliminary injunction on Motorola's behalf that prevents European sales of all Apple's 3G
|
||||
enabled devices. Oh. Android power, Motorola mobility, soon to be a part of Google,
|
||||
used a patent to thwart the competition. Apple has been using design and software patents in order
|
||||
to attack Android worldwide, so I don't think this could have happened to a nicer company.
|
||||
Regrettably, the patent being used method for performing a countdown function during a mobile
|
||||
originated transfer for a packet radio system is an excellent example of brain-dead software
|
||||
patents. It is almost as bad as Apple trying to block anybody from creating a rectangular phone
|
||||
or tablet as it would infringe on their unique design. Jeez. They actually own that patent. No way.
|
||||
Yeah. That's- That's any device. I mean, if it's not round- Yeah, then it's- Come on. The thing is,
|
||||
like this- The thing- Like, things like this sadly are not unusual, but equate to a little more
|
||||
than intellectual property IP blackmail. Just check out the US patent number 6,359,898,
|
||||
and it's European Union equivalent, EP1010336B1, and then I think my copy and paste was crappy,
|
||||
because now there's a question mark, which I don't believe was actually in the patent number,
|
||||
and then 2003-03-19, which I'm assuming is the date that that was applied for. So- Yeah.
|
||||
The first part is the patent number. You know, my first thought of this is Google's really
|
||||
getting into that. They're going to be doing the same thing, but that's really the only way to stop
|
||||
Apple from doing this against them. Exactly. You got to get a bigger hammer. And that was the whole
|
||||
purpose of Google buying out Motorola Mobility. And I'll talk about that a little bit at the end too,
|
||||
so- Alright, go ahead. At the end of the show or at the end of your article- At the end of this
|
||||
article, they basically describe performing a countdown over a 3G connection, you know, like 10
|
||||
seconds to complete your download, 3, 2, 1, download complete. That's obviously an original idea.
|
||||
Right. So you say, why is it countdown mechanism so essential that a court would rule that Apple
|
||||
would be in violation and unable to sell their products in Europe? Well, so does Apple,
|
||||
which is why they have appealed using a fair, reasonable, and non-discriminary, which is known
|
||||
as a fran defense. And then I have him brackets in my notes here. Tony, this is a link to a PDF
|
||||
explains what a fran defense is. Please embed it. And then I big long link. We'll be on the show
|
||||
notes. So this defense's core argument, basically, is that this feature is not an essential component
|
||||
at the 3G mobile telephone. I, and I also assume you all, understand that, but the German court
|
||||
wasn't going for it and issued the injection anyway. Well, it's the same thing that the
|
||||
Apple's doing over here. So why? Exactly. So this will go on for a while in the court system
|
||||
with suit and counter suit. And in the end, it will only delay the sale of Apple products in the EU.
|
||||
But another side effect is that no matter where you buy your smartphone, it's going to cost you
|
||||
more because these kind of court battles do not come cheap. I have a suggestion to all those
|
||||
patent mongers and trolls. Hey, knock it off and just compete in the marketplace instead of the
|
||||
courtroom. Exactly. So just build a better freaking mouse trap, man. People are going to buy the
|
||||
better mouse trap. Let's stop locking shit up with silly ass crap. So that's my opinion on that.
|
||||
Take it for what it's worth. I agree. Now, this is this whole thing is going out of control and
|
||||
somebody big has to come up against it. Now, you know, Barnes Noble started that. Yeah. And you know,
|
||||
and you know what? Well, I don't know that Google's actually, because Motorola is doing it.
|
||||
And more Google hasn't actually bought Motorola yet. The purchase is in the process. And that's
|
||||
what one thing else too. It really pisses me off about this. And I want to take Google to task on
|
||||
this is they've let all these manufacturers of Android phones out there totally flounder and
|
||||
be at the mercy of Microsoft and sign all these Microsoft agreements because they've been gigantic
|
||||
pussies and not come to the defense of these Android phone manufacturers. Okay. I understand that
|
||||
Microsoft is going after the manufacturers because they're an easier target than to go after the
|
||||
actual creator of Android, which is Google. Okay. But Google, come on. They're suing these
|
||||
manufacturers for using your product. Let's step it up here a little bit.
|
||||
If Google would have helped out these manufacturers when this whole Microsoft crap started
|
||||
happening with Android, it would all be over and done with by now. But Google totally dropped the
|
||||
ball on it. And we're just giant pussies and not taking this fight to the to the mat. So yeah.
|
||||
Anyway, that again is just my opinion. And on to the last story I have for today. It's not
|
||||
really a news article, but it's about a new distro that came out. It's not a new distro, but they
|
||||
had a new release and I was looking around and I found that it's pretty good and it's get top
|
||||
quality open source security tools in one distro. If you could have just one toolkit for network
|
||||
security, which one would you choose? I mean the one toolkit that had all of the functionality
|
||||
you needed for securing, analyzing, monitoring, and validating your network. Would it be Backtrack?
|
||||
Would it be Deft or Helix? Well, I've used two of those and I have found the distro that I think
|
||||
kicks their ass. After you have checked out network security toolkit and ST, I believe you will
|
||||
also you will choose it also. This live DVD is based on Fedora. NST was designed to bring you
|
||||
easy access to the best open source network security applications. It should run on most
|
||||
any x86 or x86 64 platform. The intent of this distribution is to provide network security
|
||||
administrators with a complete set of tools. Most of the tools in insecure.org's top 100 security
|
||||
tools are in this kit. An advanced web user interface is provided for system administrators,
|
||||
navigation, automation, geolocation, and configuration for many of the network and security
|
||||
applications in the distribution. They've created basically a web UI to help you use these tools.
|
||||
Awesome. So yeah, it's really nice because I have actually used Backtrack quite a bit and Deft a
|
||||
little bit and you have to understand how each tool works and be able to use each tool individually
|
||||
in those other distributions. What I liked about NST was this web UI which gives you one web-based
|
||||
interface to use these tools. It was really nice. That is awesome. And some of the tools that it
|
||||
comes with, and I have a long list of my show notes that will be on the website, but I'm only
|
||||
going to mention a couple. It comes with AirCRAC and G, it comes with AirSnort, it comes with Bandwidth
|
||||
D, which tracks network uses and builds HTML and graphs. Then it comes with Check DNS, DNS SNF,
|
||||
Ether-Ape, Greenbone Security Assistant, which is a web-based interface to the open vulnerability
|
||||
assessment scanner. So it makes using that tool much easier because if anybody ever even looked at
|
||||
that tool, it's a nightmare. And then it also comes with Kismet and WireShark.
|
||||
Installing NST is as simple and easy as enter today. After downloading the DVD image,
|
||||
burn it out to a disk then pop it in and boot up. You can choose to either boot into a console
|
||||
or a graphical mode. I recommend the graphical mode even though it is Genome 3. If your hardware
|
||||
will not support Genome 3, you can opt to fall back on Classic Genome. After boot up, you will see
|
||||
the default live installer. Enter the password NST2003 and let the desktop load. Once the desktop is
|
||||
fully loaded, you can either take it for a test drive or jump right into the install. In order to
|
||||
install it, you have to go to applications, system tools, install NST to hard drive.
|
||||
Way to make it easy. Yep. If you have installed any Linux distribution before,
|
||||
you will find no surprises here. When the installation is complete or the live version is up
|
||||
and running, you can start experimenting with the tools. There are hundreds of available tools
|
||||
here to help you monitor, secure, analyze and do practically anything else on your network.
|
||||
Yeah, I thought it was awesome. I didn't get to play with it for very long. I played with it for
|
||||
a couple of minutes and I thought it was a really... I actually had a laptop that had Backtrack
|
||||
installed on it. I was installing Backtrack before Backtrack had an installer. When you just had
|
||||
to basically DD to your hard drive and there were no updates and it was a mess. So I've used Backtrack
|
||||
a lot and I really liked it but I'm telling you, I like this NST a lot better. Yeah, this
|
||||
sounds awesome. There's a lot of the tools I heard of, some I haven't heard of and this looks
|
||||
like a great system. Yeah. I definitely want to do it. This would be awesome to run as a VM
|
||||
in your existing network or just throw another machine on the network. Sure.
|
||||
Yeah. Are you going to put that in where you work? I plan on putting it in at one clients because
|
||||
I have an extra machine that I can use as a server for it. Not every client has something that I
|
||||
can just throw something on. But yeah, I've got a client where I'm going to install this I think
|
||||
and just check it out pretty hard. Sweet. So I've got a couple articles this week. One is a hot
|
||||
article I've heard three different podcasts talking about it this week and it's the Carrier IQ
|
||||
thing. If you haven't heard about it, it's Carrier IQ is a company that has software on just about
|
||||
every phone, a smartphone out there. Every Android phone. Android, Mac, Blackberry, they have
|
||||
is Carrier IQs on all of them. Now Mac has said, oh, wait a minute, we're going to take it off
|
||||
on the next release. No, no, no, on iPhones and if you go and read the actual website, it says this
|
||||
there too on the one that exposed it. On iPhones, it's turned off. It's not turned on. If you turn on
|
||||
debugging, then it comes on. Okay. But if you're just using the phone, normally it's turned off.
|
||||
Yeah. So basically what we're getting at is Carrier IQ has this program on there that allows
|
||||
carriers to figure out what went wrong on your phone and try to fix it. The problem with that is
|
||||
it has the capability to record every single thing you do on your phone and then report it back
|
||||
in a log. And there's been some debate on how much it actually does this and how much it doesn't.
|
||||
One person I heard, they're saying that it just records what you type into the search bar.
|
||||
Right. Well, somebody else says it just records what you punch numbers in on your phone.
|
||||
Well, it depends. Carrier IQ actually has said that it records every keystroke. But the
|
||||
Carrier IQ log itself is not plain text and not readily available to even if you have your
|
||||
phone rooted and it's not plain text. The problem was they found a plain text log that also had
|
||||
every keystroke captured on the phone. And Carrier IQ said that that was a modification that HTC
|
||||
made. HTC did that? Yes. Not it was not part of the original Carrier IQ program. So it all
|
||||
depends on the smartphone you're using to and what modifications they have made to it. Yeah.
|
||||
So a lot of the, the one of the podcasts on the Twitter network, I think it was Twitter,
|
||||
they were talking about it. And it made it sound, at first made it sound like it was all Android
|
||||
and Android's horrible and they were saying, but then they went on to say that this is only on
|
||||
Carriers. The carriers are putting this on the phone. Correct.
|
||||
Not Android. Correct. It's not part of Android. It's an application that the carriers are adding
|
||||
because like the one website, which is actually a university that does it, they tested like
|
||||
3,557 phones or something like that from worldwide vendors. Okay. And they only found that on
|
||||
phones that were distributed in the US, Canada and Puerto Rico. And they only found that on 42
|
||||
phones. Oh, wow. So yeah, it's a lot smaller than what it was the first report exactly.
|
||||
Yeah. So one carrier in the US that is not using it is T-Mobile. That's what I heard.
|
||||
Although with the pending bio or that's actually been just, yeah, that's never going to,
|
||||
AT&T's never going to be allowed to buy T-Mobile. So yeah. All your T-Mobile out there that
|
||||
were waiting for it to happen. Forget about it. Forget about it.
|
||||
Yeah. So that sounds interesting. Although it looks like the two class action lawsuits are still
|
||||
going on or did you hear anything? I have not heard about any class action lawsuits. So this is.
|
||||
Yeah. That's why on RS Technica, they have an article talking about that. And it's in the show
|
||||
notes. So check it out. Also, the SFLC asked the congress. Oh, I thought I was going to get that
|
||||
right. And apparently not. The software freedom law center has filed a request with the US Library
|
||||
Congress for a DMCA exception that would allow users to freely decide what software they can install
|
||||
and uninstall on the devices they owned. So this is the DMCA exception is something that I
|
||||
did not look up for some reason. I mean, I looked up some information. But basically, it goes back
|
||||
to the UEIF, or UEFI Secure Boot Setup. And so they're trying to say, wait a minute,
|
||||
you know, we got to have this exception to allow people to install what they want. We can't just
|
||||
lock out all of these devices from people installing programs. So this is a, this looks like a good
|
||||
thing. Anything that's going to shut that UEFI shutdown for, or at least give it an off, give
|
||||
the end user an off switch for it. Yeah. Come on. I mean, I bought the hardware. I should be able to do
|
||||
what I want with the hardware. So go get them software freedom law center. Yeah, let's go for it.
|
||||
Awesome. Arduino 1.0 is the released. A long time coming, this release brings a small but
|
||||
important change to the to clean up the Arduino environment and language. Am I saying that right?
|
||||
Yeah, adding lots of features of additional what we get halfway through a show and my brain just
|
||||
melts down. You're only good for 45 minutes. Apparently, maybe I need a second coffee. Basically,
|
||||
I was telling you, one of our first shows, we were talking about little hardware devices that were
|
||||
like open hardware. Right. And I had said that there wasn't a Ubuntu or a Linux development
|
||||
software for Arduino. And but they released 1.0. Apparently, the people I was talking to didn't know
|
||||
about it. Yeah, because well, they said they only released it on 11 30. So it wasn't. Yeah,
|
||||
that's long ago. It was like two weeks ago. Yeah, so that's that looks exciting because
|
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a lot of hackers are going to be wanting to use these little devices. Now they can use Linux with
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a stable release for their development for that. So it looks exciting. And then also we have the
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gnome show extensions. They have a website that's opened up or launched. This actually launched
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before last week's show. And I forgot to talk about it. Didn't get my notes and just skip my mind.
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It only works in Firefox, presently. So it's the website only works in Firefox. That's what it says.
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I don't know what to do if that is. And perhaps in the last week, they fixed it. I mean, it comes up
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in Chrome. But apparently there's some parts of it that doesn't work. And I don't know why
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that's saying that, but check it out. So you can get there right now. And it's an HTTPS website
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for those of you that are interested in it. At least they have an HTTPS version running because
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that's where I went. It took me that to that one. The link I clicked. And I don't know. It looks
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like it's, I mean, I can click on stuff and it opens. And I do get a warning that says you do not
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appear to have an up to date version of gnome three. So you won't be able to install these extensions
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because I'm currently running LXDE. It's my desktop. So yeah. So they're warning me that this site's
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really useless for me. But yeah, yeah, I get that same warning too because I'm using unity.
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But it's got to be working because if it wasn't working, you wouldn't get that warning.
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Right. Well, maybe I wonder if it's like the installer part that you click and install.
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Oh, that only works in the Firefox. I don't know. But in Chrome, the website obviously comes up
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in as working. So yeah, well, people should just use standards. I agree. Even if it's HTML5,
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that isn't like an actual standard yet. Yeah, it's close enough. But yeah, it's close enough.
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And there's browsers out there that support it. Every browser supports it. Every major browser
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is currently supports HTML5. They're latest features. Including the, I should have to say it, i.e.
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But not eight. You have to get nine, right? No, eight supports it. Oh, does it? Yep. Okay.
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Yeah, so that's my articles for the week. We, I worked the entire week on setting up a
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new laptop for us. That's hopefully doing this recording as we speak. And we won't have to do this show
|
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a second time. It looks like it hasn't crashed yet. But I'm having a video problem on it.
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And I'm having a hard time getting xorg.com file created because the problem of the video is it's a
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Dell C810. And the monitor on it isn't being recognized by x. So it just throws out some random,
|
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not random, even if you drop it down to like the VESA, VESA won't. Yeah, no, it's, I have to put in a
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kernel mod to, or kernel, yeah, my, no, what is it called? A kernel module? No, it's at boot like
|
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in grub. You have to type in no mode set. Oh, whatever. And you know, it's a kernel option.
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Yes. And then, and then if we get x running, it's fine. Otherwise, the screen just goes white.
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You can make that permanent, you know, so you don't have to stop the boot process every time.
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I did do that. Yeah. I found the file for grub to and go in and the defaults and say,
|
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now put this on every kernel. So that's doing it now, but currently, so we got a 1024x768 screen,
|
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which I'm happy to live with that, except for this laptop puts it, it does not stretch the whole
|
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screen to 1024x768. It just puts whatever pixels are 1024 in the middle. And then, so it's only
|
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using like half the screen. Yeah, not even half. We have a 1024x768 little square in the center of
|
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this monitor, which I find rather amusing because Tony's the one that has to use it.
|
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It's a 15 inch monitor on this laptop, which I'm actually looking at about a 12 inch monitor.
|
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No, it's not even 12 inches, Tony. It's like, it's like eight. It's like, it's the screen of a tablet.
|
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I think. And I'm like, man, I gotta use this thing because it's awesome. It has a huge screen
|
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and look what I'm looking at. So if anybody has, it's like trying to, it's trying to record and edit
|
||||
the podcast on your cell phone. Exactly. So email me and tell me what I can do to get one created.
|
||||
I've tried a couple different commands. There's a crap. I'll put them in the show notes or
|
||||
something. I can't because it, or you know, I've got them on the, let me see if I can open
|
||||
this laptop and check it out. It's recording now. So open doesn't crash the recording while I do this.
|
||||
So xRander has an option where you can type it in and it will,
|
||||
it'll give you the mode line that you can stick in. But I don't know where to put that in
|
||||
in the xorg file. And the mode line tells you all the specs on, on the monitor. I think you just
|
||||
put it in the, in the, in the beginning of the xorg.com file and you'll be fine. Okay. And then
|
||||
you can do like x, xorg space, dash dash configure. And that will actually create an xorg file.
|
||||
But then it doesn't put in the right drivers or, and then when I try to use that file,
|
||||
the x just crashes. So I don't know what I'm doing wrong. And I've edited xorg files
|
||||
between the past and they've worked great. But for on this, I've done that too. Like we're
|
||||
ahead problems with, with getting a good xorg.com file. I would do things like throwing
|
||||
nop Xedian, where xorg work perfectly. And then just copy out that their xorg.com file,
|
||||
you know, to like a thumb drive and then boot back into the other system and copy and paste that
|
||||
into the other system and then WAMO BAMO. Maybe I should go back. Maybe I should go back older,
|
||||
because I tried to nop, you went to 910 disk. Maybe I need to go back to like, you went to 6.
|
||||
Or whatever, when they started their life CDs or a nop Xedian and maybe get the xorg
|
||||
conf off of that. But the only thing I'm worried about is, you know, xorg has changed their
|
||||
standards over the years. Right, right. So if I throw an old file in there, is that xorg,
|
||||
oldxorg.com file actually going to work. Right. Anyway, if you have any thoughts, email me
|
||||
Tony at smlr.us or shows or show, I'm sorry, it's show at smlr.us and they'll come to us.
|
||||
We currently have no user feedback for the week. So apparently people like to listen to us,
|
||||
but they don't like to talk to us. That's fine. I'm just happy people are downloading and listening.
|
||||
Yep. Keep it up. So, Matt, you said, or we'll come to your house and kill your puppies. Tony,
|
||||
edit that out. And Matt, you said you looked at the stats this morning? I did. And they're looking
|
||||
pretty good actually. We have a total downloads of 1,584 with 413 in December alone.
|
||||
So, yeah, it's kind of our last show, which was 008. We had 59 MP3 downloads and 8 ogg. So,
|
||||
for some reason, freedom haters are really beaten the freedom lovers. So, oh, no. Freedom haters.
|
||||
Hey, we are music for this week. It's going to be by bread sucks and it's not because he sucks.
|
||||
That's not that's his real name. Right. He's actually. I love his music and Tony hopes you
|
||||
will. I didn't I haven't decided on which song we're going to play, but it's by him.
|
||||
It'll be in the show notes. All right. Check out the show notes and it'll be there. All right.
|
||||
That's all I have, Tony. Sounds good. Have a good week. See y'all.
|
||||
You've been listening to the Sunday Morning Linux review. This has been Episode 9 for the week of
|
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December 11th, 2011. Featured Music of the Week.
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Don't say that I'm a nice assistant. It's such a nice day. Be on the next day. Don't
|
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say that I'm a nice assistant. I'm a nice assistant. I'm a nice assistant.
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Did you?
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Feelin' so excited, it's the best thing I've ever felt For you know, feelin' so excited
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Feelin' so excited, it's the best thing I've ever felt For you know, feelin' so excited
|
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Feelin' so excited, it's the best thing I've ever felt For you know, feelin' so excited
|
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Feelin' so excited, it's the best thing I've ever felt For you know, feelin' so excited
|
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Feelin' so excited, it's the best thing I've ever felt For you know, feelin' so excited
|
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Feelin' so excited, it's the best thing I've ever felt For you know, feelin' so excited
|
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