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+Episode: 1074
+Title: HPR1074: OGG Camp 11. Post-event Commentary with Alan Pope
+Source: https://hub.hackerpublicradio.org/ccdn.php?filename=/eps/hpr1074/hpr1074.mp3
+Transcribed: 2025-10-17 18:31:13
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+The full circle podcast on Hacker Public Radio in this episode are camp 11 post-event
+commentary with Alan Poe.
+The world and welcome to the full circle podcast on Hacker Public Radio.
+This is the last of our highlights of last summer's Unconference Olk Camp 11 held at
+final maltings in the south of England.
+The full circle podcast is the companion to full circle magazine, the independent magazine
+for the Ubuntu community.
+Find us at fullcirclemagazine.org forward slash podcast.
+This show is a post-conference debrief with Alan Poe, one of the event organizers and friend
+of the show.
+Well, we hope he's a friend since he sometimes guest presents with us.
+So it's now midweek and I've finally managed to have a catch up with Mr. Alan Poe.
+Good evening.
+Hello, how are you doing, Robin?
+Very good.
+Very good.
+Have you caught up your weekend's exertions?
+Yeah, I've had a couple of early nights.
+I think that's fixed everything.
+I think I'm all right now.
+Good.
+I'm taking a little bit rapid in the headlights down at the pub on Sunday.
+Yeah, a couple of late nights and I'm getting on a bit and I can't do three successive late
+nights in a row with lots of drinking and then getting up relatively early.
+So I guess the 64,000 kilobyte question is how do you think Og Camp 11 went?
+Well.
+Yes.
+I guess it depends how you measure it.
+If you measure how well it went by number of people, then we had about twice as many people
+this year than last year.
+So we had about 320 or so people this year, which is pretty good.
+I guess because we're further south, it's easier for people to get to and we've promoted
+it a lot more and you know, we're getting an established name or some or all of those
+reasons.
+I'm sure people don't come to see me and Tony and Laura and Mark.
+They come to see all the fantastic speakers as I think because we announced lots of stuff
+was happening.
+More people came and it was in a really good venue.
+I quite like the venue.
+It seemed to go quite well and we've had positive feedback.
+We've had some negative feedback but not a lot.
+So that sounds good.
+So yeah, I think it was pretty much a success.
+Yeah.
+I do as well.
+It's the first Og Camp that I've been to having missed the previous two.
+Well, they were a bit out of the way, weren't they?
+First one was in Ballvant and the second one was in Liverpool.
+So yes.
+Yes.
+But I could hardly not turn up to this one given that it was practically on my doorstep.
+Yes, I would have sent someone round to get you if you didn't turn up.
+Yeah, it was a very good venue worked out much better than I was expecting anyway.
+Yeah, we had a bit of trouble getting the place, not trouble, but yeah, when we first
+approached them, I think they're a bit perplexed as to what an unconference was and how can
+you not know how many people are coming and what is going to happen, what are these people
+coming here for?
+You know, these are questions we couldn't actually answer very directly, which kind of threw
+them a bit.
+And how many rooms will you need?
+We think three, but maybe more, maybe less, but yeah, it all kind of worked out.
+And they even put Wi-Fi in the week before all of the camp ran because they didn't actually
+have any public Wi-Fi in there.
+They had a little access point in the reception, but nothing really majorly public.
+And they put that in there and 325 people managed to, or however many people had wireless
+devices, managed to use it and didn't fail at all.
+Yes, we didn't kill it.
+If you measure your conferences by that, then that worked, yes.
+We did have quite a few decent speakers turned up.
+I mean, everybody on the schedule track in the great hall turned up and did a sterling
+job.
+And I thought quite a few of our unscheduled speakers all pitched in and we hadn't quite
+entertaining sessions out of it, who stood out for you, anybody in particular?
+One of the ones that actually ended up with me giving someone some money at the end of
+the talk, which is a good measure of whether it was a good talk.
+I think was the Nanode Ken Boat, who along with London Hack Space has created this Arduino
+like device called a Nanode.
+And it's basically a small computer with a USB port on one end and an Ethernet port on
+the other.
+He had some kits there and he was showing people how to do soldering.
+And selling the kits and the kits were like 20 pounds or something like that.
+So I bought one and I know a few people bought them.
+I think I got the last one, although I think a few people got the last one.
+So I think that was a marketing trick.
+But yeah, it was a good talk to hear about how, you know, how they develop this thing
+and what you can do with it and what other people do with it.
+And yeah, it's good fun.
+So what are you planning to do with yours?
+No idea.
+My daughter's expressed a bit of an interest.
+She's seven and she asked me what was in the bag and I pointed out all the little components
+and she was helping me sort them out and she can read the resistor color codes really
+well.
+So I think that's a job for her.
+As my eyesight seems to be going.
+Right.
+Might get her with a soulline and then see if she can see doing a bit of electronics.
+Oh, the things that were interesting then also we have some exhibition space, there's
+a couple of exhibitors that really took my eye.
+One was the guys who made a rep wrap, the self-replicating printer things that could
+get 3D items.
+What's in fact the folks from a company called empirical limited who bought a 3D printer
+down empirical.
+So there was the 3D printer from empirical, empirical, which was cool.
+There was a stand for the FSFE free software foundation Europe.
+They were only able to come on the Sunday but it was really handy because I had a friend
+who was looking for a job in the open source community.
+She's applied for a job for a company and she doesn't really know much about open source
+and she said to me, can you tell me all about it?
+And I just turned a look at this guy from the FSFE and I said, ask him, he knows all
+about it.
+And I think she's spent about 20 minutes bending his ear about how open source works
+and stuff.
+And she came away brilliant, it answered all her questions.
+So it's not just about sitting in a room and being talked about it, it's about having
+conversations with people and that kind of stuff.
+And it's those little things that we don't often hear about, or can the conversations
+people have in corridors?
+Yes.
+There was quite a lot of that going on down in the reception area with the little coffee
+bar and things.
+Yeah.
+Those chairs are very comfy.
+When you sit down, you don't want to get up, do you?
+No.
+I think I didn't at one point.
+I had a chat with Alistair Kergan, who's, I think he works for Red Hat on, works on LVM.
+He's also been looking after most of UK lugs for a very long time.
+He's been looking at the old Boomsday discs, you know, the old laser discs, like 1980
+or whatever, and been decoding the data on them.
+And he was going into some detail about the structure of the data on these old school
+laser discs.
+And that was right, super interesting.
+And he was going to give a schedule, he was going to give a talk, but unfortunately,
+the schedule was just full up.
+So I got the benefit of him chatting about this, so maybe, maybe we'll get him back
+next year to talk about it.
+That would be really cool.
+Yeah.
+Because it's a data disc, but not as we know it, Jim.
+Yes.
+An analog data disc with everything kind of jammed in and compressed and interleaved.
+And you look at the technical spec, because that project has actually been revived as
+a new website, and they've had to decode and translate all of the old data.
+And you look at the technology now and you go, how, how did you ever make that work
+in the first place?
+I know.
+It's amazing, isn't it?
+And one of the biggest problems that they had, that they didn't really consider back
+then, but is an issue now, is that there's a massive copyright problem with the content
+that's on the disc, because there's so much on there that may have been had the copyright
+signed over to the BBC, but it might have been signed over by a little Jillian who's
+six years old, who drew a picture, and that's been scanned in and put on the disc.
+And, you know, legally, a six year old can't sign over copyright to, you know, stuff.
+Yeah, whether they'll actually be able to publish the whole thing, I don't know, but it
+was very interesting to hear about it.
+And, and coming back to the, the scheduled track, very entertaining opening session from
+Simon Thips, who is with his hats, I was telling people about Tommy Cooper, the sketches
+that he used to do where he would flip hats every couple of lines, as he was doing various
+jokes, and Simon was doing the same sort of thing.
+But what I thought of was quite an entertaining opening speech turned out to be a little bit
+controversial.
+Not everybody quite saw eye to eye with Simon on some of the things he was saying about
+what freedom means.
+Yeah.
+And I think that's, that's a good thing, because if you, if you come to our camp, it's
+not, not the kind of conference where you expect absolutely everyone to have the same
+opinion, a bit of debate, a bit of disagreement, some arguments here and there.
+That's great.
+That's a nice fluid community getting together and having a chat.
+Yeah.
+If, if we all, I think it would be a bit tedious if everyone turned up and sat there and
+just gave them a big round of applause and said, yes, we all fully agree with everything
+you say.
+You are right.
+I think it would be a bit boring.
+So yeah, it's nice to mix it up a little bit sometimes.
+And yet the, the much anticipated round of arguments that we expected out of the panel
+discussion didn't quite happen.
+The problem with that was I think they just run out of time to prep for that.
+So unfortunately, it just suffered from being kind of thrown together a little bit too
+quickly.
+I think if they had a bit of chance to prep it, maybe that would have got a bit better.
+But I think that's something we'll definitely learn for next time.
+Yeah.
+It wasn't a bad session.
+It just wasn't quite the sparky thing that we thought we were going to get with the
+simple panel up there.
+Yeah, there were a few sparks and there was a bit of a bit of disagreement around the
+area of cloud computing and who owned your data and all that kind of stuff.
+Yeah, I think you're right.
+I think maybe next time we'll do a bit more planning in that area.
+It's funny because we've planned so many other parts of the conference and things like,
+you know, all the crew were fantastic and they did all of their work and, you know, we
+had these screens up showing you what talks were going on in what room and the wireless
+was working great and everything else was working.
+So there's something I had to give.
+It couldn't, it couldn't all have worked on day one.
+So yeah.
+The logistical side of it was very impressive.
+I don't think we had any breakdowns during the two days, did we?
+No, you might not have seen them, but they were there.
+We had little things like not being able to get video off of an SD card.
+So I think possibly Simon's talk might not be available to watch later on video because
+some mess up with the video cameras.
+Oh, there was a good one with the talk scheduling system campfire manager that's written by
+John sprigs, there were some bugs in that that we were ironing out through the weekend
+and Mark kept scrolling away to SSH into the box and fix it.
+Yeah, so I did notice there was a couple of, a couple of those went on and everybody had
+the information and we all knew which rooms we were going in even when they got changed
+like the Dicturpin Roadshow that shifted room almost the last minute.
+Yeah, yeah, that happens sometimes, but you know, it keeps everyone on the toes, but
+we all found where we where we needed to be.
+The rooms weren't exactly far apart from each other, were they?
+That's true.
+Two of them were right next to each other and the other room was just down a set of stairs
+and around a corner, you know.
+If we did it again, I've had a number of people who said to me, if you do it again, do
+it there again.
+Yeah, I guess the question is what next for Ogk camp 12?
+Yeah.
+Well, the general consensus is we don't even think about it for a good few weeks or months
+after the last one and luckily that, even if we did choose to go back to that venue, August
+is a really quiet time for them, as long as we can get the sponsors and people want to
+come, then we'll do again.
+Good.
+Well, I think I've passed on my congratulations and thanks to as many of the organisers as
+possible, but yeah, I've been looking at the various comments that have been collected
+on Lanyard of various write-ups that we've done and I think they've nearly all been
+glowing and false some in their praise.
+Yeah, that's good.
+I think we'll consider that a job well done and look forward to the next one.
+Thank you for that.
+We look forward to the next event.
+Yes.
+I've got the gun published the latest episode of UUPC.
+Go to your podcast.
+I've got a one-two-day update or four, or details.
+Very good.
+Thank you very much.
+Shall I let you get off?
+Lovely to speak to you.
+And you?
+That was did you answer?
+Yes.
+Well, we'll have to have you on for a guest appearance because we keep thinking about
+how to live and up the show.
+Marvelous.
+All right.
+We'll line something up.
+Hey.
+You know, thanks very much.
+Thank you.
+See you later.
+Bye.
+Yeah.
+That was a post-event chat with Alan Pope following Og Camp 11.
+Alan has since joined canonical as engineering manager in product strategy, which means he's
+engineering Ubuntu for hardware on a variety of devices and platforms.
+He includes the shuttle with plan for Ubuntu on everything.
+You can find Alan at Popey.com slash blog with the tagline, don't you know who I am?
+And in his regular appearances as co-host of the Ubuntu UK podcast, that's at podcast.buntu-uk.org.
+His wiki page is at wiki.buntu.com slash Alan Pope.
+Og Camp is a joint venture organized by those lovely podcasters, the Linux Outlaws,
+and the Ubuntu UK podcast.
+That about wraps up our highlights of Og Camp 11 on the full circle podcast.
+We'll be on two subjects new in following shows.
+For now, I'm Robin Cattling.
+Thank you for listening and goodbye.
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