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Episode: 1077
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Title: HPR1077: FSCONS: Haralanova Hack for Freedom!
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Source: https://hub.hackerpublicradio.org/ccdn.php?filename=/eps/hpr1077/hpr1077.mp3
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Transcribed: 2025-10-17 18:32:28
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You've tuned in to Hacker Public Radio.
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And today's episode is called Haralanova Hacks for Freedom.
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Hello, everyone.
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Today I will give you a really fascinating interview from FSCONS 2011 with Canadian
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Christina Haralanova.
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She was keynote speaker on the second day of the conference.
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And she tells me a bit about her keynote to the presentation she was not able to give.
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And we talk about how you teach your kids to hack stuff.
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How will we make sure that our culture continues through our children?
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And I have to warn you, they were removing chairs and tables in the room next to us.
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So there are quite some noise in the background, I'm sorry about that.
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But hopefully you won't have any trouble to hear what we are saying.
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Hello, my name is Christina Haralanova and I am here at the first society conference
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in Nordic Summit, FSCONS.
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I was the closing keynote actually today talking about social justice and hackers and hacking
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for social justice.
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So this is my primary invitation for why I'm here.
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I had to refuse another presentation because there were too many and it was about, it was
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my geeky one which was about mobile phone hacking, jail breaking and routine of mobile phones.
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So I'm a little bit, I'm a little bit hard to give up on this because this is my more
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passionate one.
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All right, this isn't your first time here, is it?
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This is my second time here.
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I was at FSCONS 2009.
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I very much wanted to come back at 2010 because I drove from Montreal, from Canada and it
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is an expensive ticket so I had to plan better so I once or two years is enough.
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What's so special about FSCONS?
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Why do you really want to come here?
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FSCONS is a special conference.
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For me, this was the conference which speaks about society, about technology and about
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culture and about hacker culture taken together and there's a lot of respect at this conference
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and there's a lot of respect about inclusion and diversity so there's more and more inclusion
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and diversity and many people coming from every time so the topics are absolutely awesome
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and absolutely different from each other and I learn a lot and I love the vibe of this
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conference.
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I will return again.
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Was there any talking specific you really remember from today or yesterday?
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I love the track on politics and politics of technology.
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I like the training sessions also, there was a training session on Scribus, there were
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planning sessions and there was even one on Waffair which I absolutely loved and the
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question was if we are able to make free software, if we are able to fix free software, let's
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fix Waffair so I think they are so extended from one topic to another that it's really
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really awesome to hear them.
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If you have to tell everyone about your keynote in say three sentences, what would that be?
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I spoke about freedom, I was inspired by Richard Stomen, three sentences.
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I wanted to talk about the fact that technology is not separate from life as this conference
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shows it very well, that there is convergence between the topics and between the life's
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fears, between the politics, the economy, culture, society etc.
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So I just wanted to challenge a little bit my audience today on being more respectful
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and more inclusive between each other and in this way we can get more diversity and nicer
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people around us.
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And more generally about your background, what are your interests in the hacker space?
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I started with free software in 2001 when I got my first laptop and I met a person in
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a hostel, a random person in a hostel who told me, you can as well install Linux.
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So I came back home and I saw in the newspaper that there was a Linux install fest the next
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day.
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So I travelled two hours to the next city to get my computer installed.
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So I met this community behind and I got very, very inspired and ever since I've been
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very interested into geeking out stuff on my computer.
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I live in Montreal, as I said, and I am a member since 2009 of FULAB, which is the Montreal
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Hacker Space, FULAB, F-O-U-L-A-L-A-B, dot org, so it's a very inspiring place with
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a lot of machines and a lot of possibilities to learn how to make circuits, how to work
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with stuff, how to...
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There's workshops, at least 10 workshops per year, which we learn Arduino, many, many,
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many things, wearable electronics.
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And I trust that it's very inspiring, I go there at least once a week if not more.
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I am very happy to be involved there and the more I go, the more the more it's interesting,
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the more the Hacker horizon opens up with the other interesting things.
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I went to Hope in 2010 and I learned to logpick, I even won a competition, so it's inspiring.
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It's a trust other, there's nice, nice...
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Hacking is a...
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If I can say so, Hacking is a way of life.
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Hacking is not about certain technology or certain people or certain elite.
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Hacking is a way of looking with curiosity to things around you.
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I hear people speaking about travel hacking and about all kind of other type of hacking.
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And I agree with that because it's a kind of a question of...
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If there's technology I need, I want to know how it works.
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If there's a project, I want to be involved in this way.
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So I like the hacking principles of avoiding warranties and seeing what's inside my laptop
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and repairing the fan, if needed, and the principle of recycled reuse and repurposed...
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It's absolutely speaks to me and not only in the hacker space, but around in my life.
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You mentioned your bikes.
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Yeah.
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In Fula, we also repair bikes.
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There's a stand and there's lots of bikers.
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Actually Montreal is rather flat, so there's lots of people who bike.
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And it's a transport mean for us and there is also bike paths outside of the city,
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so there's a way to go.
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And it's a very car in the highway city, so it's very good to have an alternative to cars,
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because otherwise you can't go without a car, so biking is better than walking,
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but also it's you avoid the dream, because you spend one hour on the bike.
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But it's also kind of the fact that I own it, it's transparent, it's technology,
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the mechanics is transparent, you can see, you can immediately see where it breaks, if it breaks.
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You can repair it rather fast, rather cheap, and I absolutely love it.
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Great, that's wonderful.
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And that is the hacker spirit, it's an attitude to life, really, no matter what it is.
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I think so.
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I think so when I try to transfer it to my daughter, she loves the screwdriver,
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loves to help me a lot with stuff, loves to disassemble the computer and so on.
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So I think this is the way that we should teach our children with the hands on everything,
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on things that break, on things that don't break, on things that they are curious about,
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and not keep them clean hands and so on, which in schools, that's more and more popular,
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that they don't allow them because of security reasons or because of safety reasons
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to touch on things, and I think this is the way to learn to put your hands on and just do it.
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Yeah, we actually had that exact conversation earlier today.
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How do you let the next generation, that is our kids, learn about and appreciate the same things that we do?
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Generally, kids grow up despising what the parents love, so it's a hard thing.
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I think the best gift one can give to their kids is the curiosity and the imagination.
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If you give them these two things, they become thirsty to go,
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curious to go and search for the things they are interested for.
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If you give them tools, they go learn these tools, but they don't get the curiosity behind.
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If you give them too many toys, they get bored.
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If you give them one toy, it develops their creativity of finding new ways of playing with the same toy.
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So I think this way, and my daughter goes to the hacker space to full up and she enjoys it a lot.
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There's other kids who come to and there's ways, we teach them soldiers, for example.
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And they are really good. My daughter is four and a half.
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There's other kids that are a bit older and do other stuff, and they are really good and very attentive to rules, to the way it's done.
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So I think it's a nice age to start teaching them small things.
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And if you would like to give the people listening to this idea or a website, a place to go, something to do, what would it be?
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What would be your suggestion and your recommendation for people?
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What would be your last word in this interview?
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Oh, my last word would be hacker round, and start by your phone.
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And you can find me on ludoost.aust.org, and on Twitter with ludoost11.
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And of course, a long life free software and the freedom.
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Hack on, you heard it, people. Thank you.
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Wasn't that an awesome interview, right?
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So she has gone to Gothenburg from Canada, not once, but twice.
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That is how good FSCONS is.
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Anyway, you can look forward to more interviews from FSCONS 2011, as soon as I get the time to upload them.
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I will post links in the show notes to everywhere where you can find Christina Haralanova, as well as the videos from FSCONS, whenever they might appear.
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So keep on hacking and teach the young ones to do so as well.
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Hacker Public Radio is funded by the Digital.Pound and the Infonomicom Computer Club.
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Hacker Public Radio is funded by the Digital.Pound and the Infonomicom Computer Club.
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Hacker Public Radio is funded by the Digital.Pound and the Infonomicom Computer Club.
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Hacker Public Radio is funded by the Digital.Pound and the Infonomicom Computer Club.
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