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Episode: 1269
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Title: HPR1269: Frank Bell Achieves Enlightenment Adventures with E17 Pt Two
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Source: https://hub.hackerpublicradio.org/ccdn.php?filename=/eps/hpr1269/hpr1269.mp3
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Transcribed: 2025-10-17 22:43:13
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Hello, this is Frank Bell again, and I'm here with the second part of my two-part series
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about using E17, the Enlightenment Desktop version 0.17.
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I had hoped to get this done earlier, but things have been kind of jangly around here and
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there's anyone who has ever studied the topic can tell you.
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The first rule of time management is that the urgent drives out the important.
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The first episode has already been published.
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I'll include a link to that in my show notes.
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If you want to see the detailed show notes with links to various Enlightenment resources
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rather than repeating them in the show notes for this episode, I'll simply refer you to
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the show notes for the first episode.
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The first episode was a general overview of the Enlightenment Desktop.
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Here I'm going to get into the nitty gritty of some of the configuration items because
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they do function somewhat differently than in the newer desktop environments such as
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XFCE, KDE, and Ganom.
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I'm going to focus on certain items of regarding appearance and functionality that I'm particularly
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interested in.
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I'm not going to try to cover every single choice because no one will want to listen and I
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wouldn't want to do all that must-talking anyway, even though I do like to talk.
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But if you get the hang of how these work, then you will have the hang of how the whole
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thing works.
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If you recall, Enlightenment has shelves.
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What in other desktop environments are called panels.
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They are pretty much the same thing.
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I'll start with the shelf.
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Then I'll move on to various settings that are found in the settings panel dialog itself
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and look at mouse, keyboard, navigation, and key bindings, appearance, configuring startup
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applications, and the title bar dialog, which you get when you right-click on the title
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bar of an application window.
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A shelf will typically have a menu item to display the full menu, a workspace page, an
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i-bar or icon bar where you can put launcher icons.
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With Enlightenment 17, E17 there is a task bar where you can see the icons of open programs
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whether they are minimized or whether they are open to the screen.
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This is one difference between the previous version of Enlightenment as far as I can tell
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that in previous versions, an icon for an open application would only appear in an i-box
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if that application were minimized.
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In E17, the icon appears whether or not the application is minimized and you click on
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that icon in the task bar, Enlightenment will take you to the workspace and to that application.
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To configure this shelf, I can point at any item on the shelf and right-click and I will
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get a menu for configuring that item, in this case I am pointing at the page and there
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will also be a menu for configuring the shelf.
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I can point to the i-bar and I right-click on that and I get an item to configure the
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launcher for the application I am pointing at or to configure the i-bar itself or to
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configure the shelf.
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So from any item on the shelf, I can right-click, I get an option to configure the entire
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shelf to configure the particular gadget that I am looking at or if it is a particular
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icon on the launcher to configure that icon.
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I am pointing at the icon for pan and if I select that item on the menu, my items are
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the properties or I can remove that icon from the launcher bar or the i-bar.
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If I go down to the shelf, I get a choice to configure the contents, the settings, the
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orientation, whether it is upper, right-hand of the screen where I like it, vertically
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along the left-hand side of the screen, wherever you would like to position it, whether
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you want it to auto-hide or not, I customarily do not, to refresh the appearance in case
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I have made some changes and they do not seem to be showing or to rename it, about the
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only ones I have ever messed with or the orientation and the contents.
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So we will talk about contents.
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shelf contents, I click on that and I get an item with list available gadgets which include
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the battery meter, the clock, the settings, the connection manager which I mentioned in
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the previous broadcast, i-bars, i-box and so on, the gadgets that are actually installed
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on my shelf have a little green dot to the right of them.
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If I want to add a gadget to the shelf, so I want to add the thermometer, I click on
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the temperature item to highlight it and click add gadget and then it will appear on the
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shelf, then I can position it where I wish and I will talk about that shortly.
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There is an advanced button which if I click shows me the loaded gadgets and the available
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gadgets, slightly different format but pretty much the same functionality.
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That is not always the case when you click the advanced button and I will give a particular
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example of that later when I start talking about wallpapers.
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If I want to rearrange the gadgets from the default mode, I can right click on whichever
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item and in the right click menu that appears, the bottom choice is begin moving gadgets.
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If I click that each gadget, not each icon but each gadget such as the page, the i-bar,
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the taskbar will be highlighted and I can grab that with the mouse and move it to a different
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location.
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It is a little touchy sometimes to get them to the right location but once you get them
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there, then you would right click again and the bottom option in the first pop-up menu
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will be to stop moving gadgets.
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If I want to rearrange the launcher icons and that is something I did want to do because
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I wanted to put the ones I used most often to the left and the ones I used least often
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to the right, I right click on the i-bar, the launcher bar and select contents and a window
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opens under the Applications tab is listed every application known to Enlightenment, all
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the applications that exist on my computer.
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Selecting an application to be in the launcher bar is very similar to selecting a gadget,
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you highlight the application you want to appear and then you go down and you click add
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and it will be added to the launcher bar or the i-bar.
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To manipulate the order, you click the order tab and it lists them, the ones that are
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already configured for the i-bar, you highlight the one you want to move and you would
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click up or down or you could even click remove and position it where you want it in the
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sequence.
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The ones at the top are to the left and my horizontal i-bar, the ones at the bottom are
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to the right and once you selected that you click apply, once you click apply, the close
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button will grey out and no longer be accessible or you could click OK which would apply it
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and close the window and most of the other items on the shelf can be configured in a similar
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way.
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You right click the menu, you pick the shelf or the name of the gadget and do your configuration.
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One item that does happen, I did this with the clock when it was there on the shelf, it
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was really too small to read.
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One of the menu items on the right click is move to and I can move it to back to the
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shelf or to the desktop depending on where I wanted it.
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I choose to move it to the desktop then select the setting to resize it and make it large
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enough to see and then I set the sticky state so it would always appear at the same place
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and would appear on all four of my configured desktops and I will talk about setting the
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sticky and remembering the position later.
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It's something I think a lot of people will find useful.
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So that's configuring the shelf from the shelf the other way to configure something is
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to go to the settings panel.
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To do that, let's click to bring up the menu and then I go to the item towards the bottom
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that says settings.
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That item gives me a choice for the settings panel and also gives me choices for the most
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popular settings area at least as the Enlightenment maintainer see a gadgets, module, shelves,
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the theme and the wallpaper and at the bottom there is a choice for all which list all
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the choices in the settings panel grouped under their headings so that I can go directly
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to a particular one.
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So if I want to configure my favorites menu I can go to settings, all apps and select
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my favorites right there.
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I can click on the settings panel which will open to the first item in the list which
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is look and under there there's wallpaper application theme, overall theme, colors and
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so on and so forth and I can click on the next item or I can cursor on the arrow key
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in the window display and go to apps, screen, windows, menus and other selections.
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So let's take a look at how one of these works.
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I'll go to look and theme because I like my I can't the I like to play with themes.
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If I click on theme a window opens up giving me a list of my installed themes.
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I can point to system theme which is the default choice or if I have a theme stored in
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my home directory I can point to personal.
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If I have downloaded a theme and want to install it there's an import button and the top
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right which I can then import that theme into my choices.
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The highlighted theme is displayed in a many picture of what it will look like so I can
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compare the various ones that are installed and I can go to the advanced button and that
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gives me some choices for configuring various items within a theme.
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I have not done much with this basically because I like my wallpaper.
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If I get my wallpaper displaying the way I want it I don't worry too much about the
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color of the window borders and things like that it's just something I used a tinker
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with that stuff back in the windows 3.1 days and it no longer fascinates me quite so much.
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One caution about themes and this was in the first episode of this.
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If you go to download a theme make sure it is compatible with E17 according to the
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Enlightenment website the theme engine has changed between the E16 series and the E17 series
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and certain themes may not work properly in E17.
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I actually had that happen to me on one of my computers I'm logging into the command
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line because I'm using Slackware and I had to reboot and find that theme and remove
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it in the configuration and that before I started up the X server again and you started
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using the graphical interface.
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I'm going to talk a bit about wallpapers if I go to wallpaper I get a dialogue with
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shows the selected wallpaper and if it's particularly if I have different wallpapers
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on different desktops it shows me which wallpaper is on my current desktop it also shows
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me to the left a list of wallpapers that I have used on that desktop if I want to add
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a new one I can either look at the system wallpapers if I have a bunch installed or I can
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go to click the personal radio button and then just to the right of that there's a dialogue
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that says picture I can click that and navigate to a directory and select a wallpaper from
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there I store mine and wallpapers so I'll navigate quickly to my wallpapers folder and
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pick a nice picture price canyon and I'm going to select use and it gives me a dialogue
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for the settings whether it should be fill center or what have you I usually select fill
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I can use the original file or it will actually import it into enlightenment I usually leave
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that set the default which is to import I click OK now here's where you can set
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your wallpaper for just this workspace or all workspaces once you select OK and your selected
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wallpapers appearing in the big dialogue picture click advanced and you'll have a choice for all
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desktops are this desktop one thing I have noticed is from time to time you might come in here
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and you want to set the wallpaper for this desktop and you don't have an apply button you have
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to tickle it so I have no apply button here just to close this desktop is selected if I were doing
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this for the first time and enlightenment had the same wallpaper on all four desktops I might have
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to change the setting and change it back to make it come alive so I had no apply button
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when I first went in here then I clicked the radio the radio button for all desktops
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and the apply button came alive I'm going back to this desktop because that's what I want to have
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but the reason I mentioned that if you come into this and you don't see an apply button
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that you can click change the setting and then change it to what you want it will wake up your
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dialogue and I could apply and my wallpaper changes to price canyon one other choice that
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exists here is to click to use the theme wallpaper it exists above the dialogue button for selecting a
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picture I like my own wallpaper and frankly I'm not real big on the science fictiony fantasy
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type of stuff that some people seem to like when they designed wallpapers and I don't like to have
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logos in the middle of my wallpaper so I always never use a theme wallpaper so let me close I
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go to apps I want to talk a bit about favorite apps in particular favorite applications can be
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there are no favorite applications when you first install e17 but if you have a certain short list
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of applications that you use frequently you can call them favorites and then with the default key
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if you right click your menu of favorite applications will appear to the desktop there's a helicopter
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going by I live in an area which is very heavily navy and every from time to time a navy helicopter
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will fly over and fortunately so far none of them had fallen on top of me if I left click to bring
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up the default menu the favorite applications once you have favorites configured will be the top
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choice and it presents the same list as right clicking and bring up favorites to add something to
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favorites you click on favorites and it works just like some of the shelf dialogues there's a list
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of applications you select the one that you want to add to your favorite and click on add and it
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will be added to the list of favorites if you want to change the order in which they appear in the
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list you click the order tab and they are listed top to bottom I usually list mine at an alphabetical
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order now I have noticed that when I add a new favorite I may have to restart enlightenment for
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it to appear in the list which I can do without closing any windows or applications simply by going
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to the main menu then to the enlightenment item and clicking restart and that will restart the
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window manager while leaving your applications running and untouched it just restarts it in the
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background now another thing and there are a number of categories there's look after screen windows
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menus I have a file much useful under there language advanced input I want to talk about
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input because this is where you set up your key bindings and your mouse bindings I left the
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mouse bindings pretty much as they are but if I were to want to change them say if I wanted to have
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the right click bring up the menu rather than left click I click on mouse bindings I scroll down
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until I find the one I wanted say left button and highlight it it jumps right to menu and under
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the menu category show main menu is highlighted and I can delete that binding I can modify it
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there's a delete all to delete all mouse bindings which I suspect would be a really really
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bad idea and so on I highlight the mouse action on the left the action on the right and then the
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add delete modifying what have you you're also some settings for the action context and I tell the
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truth I have not messed with this it does say zone will wait for this phone call to go to the
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voicemail okay and as usual no one left a message it's some corporation with a war dollar trying
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to sell me something I don't need for a price I don't want to pay I have it done anything with
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the action context dialogue the default is zone and I suspect most people won't be too much
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interest in it so I'm not going to do any exploring I want to mention key bindings for a bit I do
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use a lot of key bindings I don't like having desktop icons I stopped using desktop icons way
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early in my windows XP days because I got tired of the clutter so I went to menus and I heavily
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customized my menus and I'm very spoiled with the key bindings that I have in flux box so now
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that I've been using enlightenment a lot I want to keep the convenience of key bindings most of
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the key bindings I use are to open applications I don't use them to go from one desktop to the other
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and things like that so suppose I want to and I use generally the super key which enlightenment
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actually refers to is the when key so if I want to add a key binding I click add and enlightenment
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tells me please press the key sequence or escape to a board so I press the keys that I want to
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bind I'll pick one I'm not using and then it appears in the dialogue on the left when plus Q
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if I want to make that a command I scroll through the list and there's a whole bunch of
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pre-configured actions such as the show everything launcher show the windows plug in
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show or hide gadgets delayed action and so on and I can get down to and you can select any one of those
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I get down to launch and I use there's a choice per command and a choice per application I usually
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use command and it works just fine and I click on command and in the bottom there's a dialogue
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box that says action parameters syntax command name example slash usr slash bin slash xmms
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and I type in the command opera pan clause mail whatever it may be then trying to set up I have
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found if the application is in my path it's not necessary to type in the full path to the application
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just typing in opera Libra Office K edit whatever it is seems to work just fine and once
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I've got that typed in there I click apply as I recall I usually have to restart enlightenment
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as I described before in order for the binding to work I gather that the configure those configuration
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files are read at enlightenment startup someone asked me recently just as a footnote
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because I use debian I use met regularly and but predominantly slackware how do I keep them straight
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and the way I keep them straight is this I don't do superl or windows key t for thunderbird I do
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windows key m for mail so whatever operating system I'm using windows key m will open my mail
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windows key e will open whatever editor I'm using whether it's g-edit or k-edit
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on meant with matae I think it I think it's pluma so my key bindings are more towards the function
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than the application although I do use o for opera and f for Firefox but then they're cross
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platform so it's always the same w for my office suite and it seems to work out I don't have to
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memorize a separate set of key bindings for each machine the same set of key bindings works on
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all the machines still in the settings panel I want to talk a bit about startup applications
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because that's something that tripped me up if you install enlightenment onto a machine where you
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have another desktop environment such as matae gnom kde xfce and you look in your menu under
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applications settings or on my mint machine is applications settings preferences and appearance
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just as in the matae menu and find something for startup applications that is not going to be the
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startup applications item for enlightenment that's the startup application item from the previously
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installed desktop environment which is enlightenment has picked up and added to the menu if you want
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to set up your startup applications your applications to begin upon login to enlightenment such as
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xscreensaver in my case I usually have gcrem I know it's all but it works it doesn't need to be made
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and you're it worked just fine the way it is and others of that nature you need to go to the
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enlightenment settings panel to the apps category and select startup applications there that is the
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enlightenment startup application settings when that opens up it's got three tabs system applications
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order system includes things such as the screen saver the blue man output the hb system tray for my
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hp lip and so on I have two items selected screen saver and the wicked network manager tray
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then applications and this works like the other applications related things I've mentioned
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you scroll down the list until you find the application that you want in to startup automatically
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such as gcrem you highlight it and click add to add it to the startup list or remove to remove it
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from the startup list click the order tab and select the order in which you want them to start up
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the caution here is make sure you're using enlightenment startup settings not another startup
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applications applet that might have been lying around on your computer and made it into the main
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menu okay we're nearly there I'm gonna flip over to the other workspace and make sure yes we
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are still recording I find it distracting to try to work through this stuff and look at our
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destiny at the same time I want to talk about the title bar dialogue when I right click or
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left click on the icon and the upper left hand corner of an application window I get the
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title bar dialogue if I right click over the title bar itself I get that same dialogue that
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dialogue is a sub menu that includes the choices window which has its own sub menu take shot take
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a screenshot of the selected application move to and you can select from your configured desktops
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always on top sticky shade and close so I can shade by selecting shade from the menu I can also
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shade by double clicking on the title bar under the window choices I can maximize it to full screen
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I can maximize and that maximizes it to exclude the area occupied by the panel I can
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un-maximize that actually is a choice on the menu and here interestingly I can maximize
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vertically which keeps the same same horizontal dimensions but takes the window up to the full
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height of the screen excluding the shelf I can maximize horizontally which takes the window
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the full width of the screen but keeps the existing height of the window I can maximize left
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which will occupy the left half of the screen or maximize right which will occupy the right half
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of the screen and I know when I first got into this that was one of the questions that 51-50
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was interested in enlightenment was half maximizing to one side or the other of the screen and I
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didn't discover how to do that until a couple of months after his question on Linux questions got
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me interested in enlightenment you can I also on the window menu you can iconify and I you know
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that doesn't seem to do much that I can tell I'm sure it does something I accept my stacking always
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on top always below and so on as I am for a skip so if I put skip and select say the
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pager then the icon will not appear in my pager if I select skip the window list and then do
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alt tab to bring up the window list that particular window where I've selected the skip will not
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appear in the alt tab window list I can select my border style I to use the default or use the
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icon provided with the application so on I don't mess with that but I do want to talk about remember
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if I click remember I get a little dialog box to remember nothing size and position
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looks and so on if I click advanced and I have done this with certain application there are
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identifiers I have to select and identify for the window for the remembering to work in this case
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I'm doing this testing with the setups dialog and the window name is already selected Z the class
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is selected is configure and the settings window type that's what it's going to remember by if
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I click properties I can select it to remember position size border style and so on I had done
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this I I did actually do this with gcrelem now gcrelem does not have a title bar so how I did it
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with gcrelem was I pointed at the gcrelem icon in the taskbar right click and I got that same title
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bar menu I went into window remember for identifier I selected gcrelem and for properties to remember I
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select position size locks and stickiness and position gcrelem where I wanted it and then when I
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shut down and restarted gcrelem comes back to that same location on the screen automatically I
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also for gcrelem set the stacking for it to be below everything else as opposed to normal also in
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the title bar dialog there may from time to time appear a kill item when that appears it means
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basically to kill the application much as much as the kill command would do from the command line
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any data would be lost and there's a choices for iccm netwm settings now I look that up and that
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stands for inter client communication conventions manual slash extended window managers hints and
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there are various windows behavior choices that have to do with compliance with desktop standards
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that I have a play with and I doubt most users would really be interested in so that's a brief
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review of settings in the enlightenment desktop the dialog boxes I found particularly interesting
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and the ones I've had to use to get the system to do what I wanted it to do there are many many
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configuration choices individual dialogues within enlightenment far more I think than most people
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will ever wish to explore but all of them work in one way or the other similar to the ones that I've
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described if you're interested in using enlightenment I hope you find this enlightening I have
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gotten quite attached to it it's almost we meet me away from fluxbox which has been my go-to
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window manager for quite some time now four or five years or more as far as I'm concerned enlightenment
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does live up to its billing for a visual appeal if you want to email me you can email me at frank
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at pineviewfarm.net pineviewfarm is all one word no spaces no punctuation
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and my website is www.pineviewfarm.net thank you very much
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you have been listening to Hacker Public Radio or Tacker Public Radio does our
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show like all our shows was contributed by a HBR listener like yourself if you ever consider
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recording a podcast then visit our website to find out how easy it really is Hacker Public Radio
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was founded by the digital dog pound and the infonomicum computer club HBR is funded by the
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