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Episode: 1318
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Title: HPR1318: How I found Linux
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Source: https://hub.hackerpublicradio.org/ccdn.php?filename=/eps/hpr1318/hpr1318.mp3
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Transcribed: 2025-10-17 23:29:10
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Hey, what are you doing?
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This is something I'm one delivering another episode for Hacker Public Radio.
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This is actually my fourth such episode.
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I kind of did this in reverse as it is that I had been a guest of the story of science
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some time ago and I had done asterisk revolutionary telephony platform at the astericon and I figured
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I'd come back and do, finally do a Lennox, how do I have found Lennox or how I got into
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Lennox.
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Here it goes.
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I came late to the PC game.
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I am not a traditional computer person per se.
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No computer science background.
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I am an auto-dick deck which is in a few words someone who learned by doing it.
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Many of you probably are.
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I found my first computer or rather got a hold of my first PC in 1995.
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In 1994 I was exposed to the internet via NCSA Mosaic web browser and of course the
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very robust, venable Unix operating system was the introduction or at least for me it was
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the internet and for a lot of other people as well and so having come in contact with the
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Spark 1, Spark 5's of the Sun OS fame.
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The now defunct Solaris, excuse me now defunct Sun Microsystems Corporation gave us those
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hardware platforms which really stoked my interest in Unix and as I mentioned earlier it
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was the internet and at that point the wide world web which caught my fancy and I really
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needed to have a lot more or really want to get a lot more experience with the Unix
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operating system so I needed to learn about file system management, ownership, file permissions
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on your copy things to dock route of a web page and in those days everybody had to
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tell the user name which is how students at school were able to have their own web pages.
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And so once I got my feet wet, if you will, in Unix operating system I figured out that
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I needed to have it at home and in those days having a Spark at home was prohibitive back
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in the circa 90s would have it very expensive so they had to be some other way and someone
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said hey you know what you may want to consider using Linux and I guess before I made that
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choice and it was introduced me and I had PC at home in 95 finally was able to get my hands
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on one and the PC was of the windows for windows for work groups 3.11 which was as important
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to know that in those days the windows operating system was not a network the operating system.
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The company Microsoft had no clue that networking was important the internet for that matter
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was important they were trying to put everybody in some sort of proprietary container like
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prodigy and those other people were doing at the same time and of course the AOL community was
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also doing at the same time so there wasn't a lot of hope for me with windows for networking
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windows for windows for worker networking 3.11 and so I just went ahead and took the advice of
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someone I was working with and picked up a book called Linux Unleashed. Linux Unleashed was a fantastic
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awakening for me because it had the Slackware CD in there the version 2.00 I believe it was with
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the 1.2.13 kernel as I mentioned before up until that time my only way to work on a Unix based
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operating system or a Unix-like operating system was to do this at school and I would have to say
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that I experienced a Linux or rather the Unix Renaissance at my alma mater a foyer university in
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Tallahassee and it was there that many of my fellow classmates, fellow hackers if you will got their
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feet wet as well in the Unix and I learned a lot from many of them that were there and as a consequence
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then stoked my interest in learning Unix at home and to do that as I mentioned before the only
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way to do that at that time was getting yourself into Linux so I got the book Linux Unleashed
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opened it up and I was the the one geek walking around with a fat 360 page maybe 400 page
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document looked almost like a dictionary I had it on my arm and walked all over the place with that
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I read it I've got involved in it immersed myself in it the most difficult thing for me at the
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time to learn was interpreting chat scripts the chat script in those days were used to communicate
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with the dial-up modems that were prevalent in fact I had a robotics 14.4
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kilowatt I believe it is modem that we use and the chat scripts were the ppp chat scripts excuse me
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we're designed to communicate with the modems I think I use it wasn't Kermit I did use Kermit but
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in this particular case I used an encursion-based application that allowed me to communicate with
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the modem itself and I can't remember that at the moment I was I do I'll put it in a show notes
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but essentially that application allowed me to communicate with the modem and it was probably
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the most difficult thing for me to comprehend at the time and how those chat scripts worked it was
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like magic but if they did work eventually now I was able to connect to the internet and
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actually start browsing the web from home on a different operating system at the time I was
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still dual booting because I thought that I needed that other operating system on my computer
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to do other work at the time the application features or rather the availability of
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whole applications the different distributions were smaller than and they weren't always as
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compatible so you might need to have certain things where like an office suite or you might need
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to have some other application so I did some dual booting it wasn't so much later than I
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started getting into this thing called virtual machines and I think there was sometimes like 99
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I got my copy of VMware 1.0 and it was horribly slow because it was mismanaged in those days and
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it was in its nascent form where virtual management or virtual machines took up so much memory
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and in those days memory was not inexpensive and it was something that people tried desperately
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to preserve in the mid to late 90s so it was a tough order so out of that whole interest in
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Linux at home I learned a little bit about networking because obviously at the time I had one
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desktop because it was pretty expensive for me to put together another box but ultimately I needed to
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learn how to do some networking if I wanted to have other machines on a network or have an
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understanding of how to get two computers to talk to each other and so of course as I mentioned
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in those days we had Windows computers and it wasn't until much later that those Windows computers
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and I say much later probably in the late 90s that those Windows computers began to get networked
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and to not only network amongst themselves from computer to computer but also getting them out
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onto the internet so when Windows NT 4.0 came into being there was a much more polished
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type of experience if you were talking about a Windows machine if you want to call it polished I
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think Windows NT took a page out of the BSD stack I think it took the TCPIP stack from BSD if I
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wasn't mistaken someone might have more accuracy experience than I do but I thought that was a case
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but anyway I began to work with NT in something called the yellow pages and I.S. to get these
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Solaris machines to network with these Windows NT machines in labs and such so they could talk
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to each other and authenticate the users that might sit down at those Windows computers to authenticate
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themselves to the rest of the network so fast forward a little bit you know the Linux experience got
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me interested in networking and as a consequence I could take that knowledge that I've experimented
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with at home bring it back to the labs at school and people were pretty happy with that knowledge
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that I had and I became one of the people that others would seek out for advice on how networking
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should work it was funny it wasn't like that all of the students were interested in YP and NIS that
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was more of a job that I created for myself working with some professors at school the students
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were more so interested in dial up networking with Windows computers and the awful you know networking
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stack that was Winsock that Microsoft had it was net boolean crap like that those are the things
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that students were interested in getting to work not so much the underpinnings of it but just
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getting the damn thing to dial and connect to the to the rotary system at school so I ended up
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getting free meals I ended up getting a little cash you know a little music for some mixed tapes
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I would buy and you know do that sort of thing on a on campus and so it became worth my
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while to really learn how to get the stuff working for people so that you know they could connect
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so we talked about the chat strips we talked about Winsock we talked about net boolean things
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like that eventually I began to as I was working with Blackwear at home I eventually began to
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branch into something called Red Hat 4.2 I actually set that up for some people at school
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I did some work for some professors with 4.2 that was actually the platform where I installed
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YPO the yellow pages and I S for this authentication assignment that I had and we did the
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authentication we can actually tie in the the print quotas and such like that for each individual
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lab because I think the overall problem we were trying to solve was to stop you from stealing
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our paper or wasting paper as they were you know working lab and in midnight hours we needed to
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figure out who was in there what they were doing and how much of the paper they were using because
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the print quarter was very important so 4.2 was the platform that professor wanted me to use
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and that's what I learned so I got a chance to learn not only slackwear but I got chance to learn
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Red Hat as well fast forward 2000 2001 2003 I started to learn a little bit about Debian I got
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involved with Debian on a humble so to speak my first Debian distribution was potato I believe it
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was and I would later use Debian as some business deployments which I use now as a consultant
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for small to me aside businesses primarily independent healthcare professionals I deploy
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web services on Debian these days open VPN for authentication and data encryption and also
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file management services back office services like Samba and things of that nature that's my
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holy trinity if you will you know open VPN Samba and those types of things working together with
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of course Apache and your lab stack a pretty robust solution to provide I would of course use
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slackwear for those things as well but I think for from people they would rather me use Debian
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because it's easier for them to to deploy packages so so quote unquote as they would think and I'm
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not going to get into the dependency management I never have a problem with it but for others that
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are deployed they would tend to use app get more so they're trying to understand things like SBOPG
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or you know slack bills stuff like that that's a whole nother discussion but anyway I'm not much
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about a distribution jumper slackwear has been my distribution of choice and it will contain
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to be that for my home use and I'm not ashamed of that because I love slackwear and it's done a lot
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for me taught me a lot about the Unix operating system for say at least it's the most Unix
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like operating system Linux distribution that you can find in my opinion and it's taught me a lot
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all great debt to Patrick and of course this restless slackwear team that has taught me so much
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over the years these days the only other distribution I may play with would be sent OS because I
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run asterix on that and pull deployment I also run asterix on OpenBSD at home I have delved a bit
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into arch because the latest one of the one of the myth TV distributions runs on arch it used
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to be not myth but now it's a arch based distribution that I might use and pretty much that is
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my experience it has been my experience networking is something that I really enjoy
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heterogeneous networks is the norm these days you have to be able to speak all kinds of protocols
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and Linux operating system has taught me much about networking and the ability to get computers
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to do what you want from a networking perspective not much of a script or I just hack at it and
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get things to work the way I need but like I said earlier Unix was the thing that got me interested
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in going to step further and finding Linux as an option and Linux became a lot to me in terms
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of helping me with school in terms of getting money in my pocket getting me food in my belly
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all that good stuff so that pretty much is my story of how I came to Linux or how I discovered
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Linux I want to thank Ken Fallon Dan Washco and Clot 2 for inspiring me to tell this particular story
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and I encourage others to submit their how I got to Linux or how I got introduced to Linux stories
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to the community so I thank everyone for listening until next time sounds a man
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