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Episode: 1355
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Title: HPR1355: LibreOffice 13 Writer A Bullet Style Deconstructed
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Source: https://hub.hackerpublicradio.org/ccdn.php?filename=/eps/hpr1355/hpr1355.mp3
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Transcribed: 2025-10-18 00:06:21
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Hello, this is Ahuka and welcome to Hacker Public Radio for our ongoing series on Libra
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Office focusing for now on Libra Office Writer.
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Last time I talked to you about the list styles and we introduced what list styles are about.
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We took a look at the style properties window, so we got some good things accomplished.
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Now what I want to do is I want to take a look at a specific case of a bullet style and
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we're going to deconstruct this bullet style.
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Take a look at the various properties and see what makes it tick.
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Now, we're just learning how styles work.
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We do want to be careful.
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I think very often the best way to learn this stuff is to experiment.
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Go in, make a change to a style, use it in the document and see what happens.
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However, if you change a style and you make the mistake of being in a template, you could
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actually change the style forever.
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Maybe that's not a terribly likely thing to happen, but one of the things you can do,
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if you, and this is useful in your experimenting, you can flip back and forth, is to make
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a new style based on some other style, make one modification and then see what you get
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out of that.
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So, if you want to do that, just select a style.
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For instance, I'm going to use the List4 style as an example here, but actually, since
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you can't see my graphics, it really doesn't matter to you, does it.
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But if I click on that and then I go all the way to the right at the top, I can choose
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to make a new style based on style 4, in this case.
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And I can change something in that and my original style is completely untouched, so I can go
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back and look at that at any time.
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Should you ever get to the point that you want this stuff to be available to you permanently
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because you're creating styles, remember that what you need to do, as we've talked about
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before, you need to open up the template and modify the template to have that style added.
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If it's a style that you want available to you and all of your documents, that means
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you have to edit the default template.
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We've talked about all of this before, so I'm not going to go into a lot more detail
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about that now.
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So when we do this, in this particular case, I'll take my List4 and I'm going to click
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on it and then right click and select modify and it's going to bring up the properties
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window.
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Now we saw before that the first tab, the organizer tab, everything's grayed out because
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it's a built-in style.
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There's really no options you have to change on the organizer tab.
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But if we take a look at the second one, the second tab bullets, you have eight different
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options here and let's take a look at each of those.
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The first one are just your standard bullets.
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It's a reasonably small dot and then going across the top, the next one is a very large
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dot, significantly larger than the other.
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Third one is a diamond, the fourth one is a square.
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And on the second row, the fifth and sixth ones are different types of arrow, essentially.
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Then we've got one that has an X followed by one that has a check mark and they're both
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one is called a check box, the other is a tick box and a tick mark, I think is what it's
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called.
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So those are things they all come from fonts that are installed on your computer and they
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come with Libra Office, I believe.
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And so let's say you wanted to change from the standard bullet to a diamond.
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Well, all you would do is you would click on the space that has the diamonds and you
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would see a thick black border around that space that tells you, ah, that's been selected
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and then you could click apply and if you apply, it'll apply it to whatever object on
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the document you were in when you did that.
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So you could turn a ordinary paragraph into the beginning of a bullet list with diamonds
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if you clicked on that third box while your insertion mark was in a paragraph somewhere.
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Now that's a nice group of options there.
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What else can we do?
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Well if we go and we're going to skip over numbering style because it doesn't really
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apply to bullets very much and we'll click on skip over outline for now and go to graphics.
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Now with graphics what you get are many similar options but now we're working with actual
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images and you've got several of them here.
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So the differences are mostly colors and stuff like that.
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So the first one is blue and we go round dot diamond square star right pointing arrow.
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And then we get the same five choices in red and then the same five choices in green
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and so on.
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So these are say they're in color and that they are actually graphics.
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So there's no font choice involved, it's a graphics.
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Now the last tab options is kind of interesting because there's a feature there that lets
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you select whatever graphics you like but it's not readily apparent when you first go
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there.
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So if you go there you take a look at the top drop down it says numbering and if you're
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in a bullet style you'll have bullets selected.
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But click the drop down and there's something called graphics.
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So if you select that all of a sudden three more options appear and the three options are
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graphics with and height.
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Interesting so we could go in and click on the select that's next to the graphics and
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that's a drop down and the very first option you get there is from file.
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So if you had a file on your computer that had a graphic image that you wanted to use
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as a bullet this is where you could select that make that happen.
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So you've got a number of options here for appearance but what I want to get into now
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is one of the things that puzzles people and I referred with a little bit last time
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is something that puzzled this fellow at Ohio Linux Fest the position tab.
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Now I think for all lists whether it's bullet or numbered understanding how this works
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is going to be important in giving you the control that you want.
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So you can have control over the precise position of every part of the list from the bullets
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or numbers where they are on the page to how much space is between the bullet or number
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and the text and where the text is located.
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So we're going to cover this in detail now for bullets okay we're going to look at it
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again when we get to numbered lists.
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So the first item says numbering followed by and again it's just this you know Libra
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Office can't figure out sometimes what it's talking about it does obviously run a bullet
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list there's no numbering at all.
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So it really should say bullet followed by but it says numbering followed by so let's
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just accept that.
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So for list four this has it set for space now what does that mean?
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That means there is one space between the bullet and the text so to be just as if you typed
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the character for a bullet hit the space bar and then started typing your text only it
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does it automatically and we'll do it over and over and over I mean then that's that's
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the point of a style.
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So what other options do we have well let's click the drop down.
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You could choose nothing and nothing means no space at all.
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So that would just be that would be like you clicked the button character and then immediately
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started typing the third option tab stop that gives you much more control.
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So if you select this you then see another little thing pop up on the screen that says
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where this goes where's my tab stop now I am on an American installation of Libra Office
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so all of my measurements are in inches.
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I'm going to trust you to make the adjustments.
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I can see from the Libra Office documentation that if you're in other countries it would
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be in centimeters and that's that's fine I would if we could get the United States to
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switch that would be wonderful I'm starting to think that'll never happen in my lifetime.
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So anyway I set as an experiment let's say 0.3 inches 3 tenths of an inch and what does
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that do.
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Well it will move the text to the 3 tenths of an inch mark on the page.
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Now what that means we want to be very careful here it is measuring from the left margin.
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So that 3 tenths of an inch it's 3 tenths of an inch from the left margin not from where
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the bullet is alright small but subtle difference okay so all of the positioning options in
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fact are set with respect to the left margin there's several more numbering alignment you
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have three options there left center and right and an under it and aligned at setting these
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work together how do they work well let's start with the aligned at if you have it set
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to 0 0.0 inches what that means is your alignment is right on the margin of the page if you
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want it aligned differently say you wanted your list moved over you could say align everything
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at point two inches that's two tenths of an inch and that would just shift everything
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to the right by that amount so it's where are we lining everything up on the page is what
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the aligned at is about then what's the left center and right well if you choose left that
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means the left side of the bullet will line up precisely at the margin now I say precisely it
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depends on how the character itself is defined the character may be defined with a little space
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around it that is going to make this look slightly different from what you expect but in essence
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left aligned means the left side of the bullet will line up at the margin now that that's normally
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what you expect to see right in in other words you have a margin of the page and then the bullet comes
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right after that and then maybe a little bit of space and then the text if you choose center the
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bullet will be centered on the margin which is an interesting kind of thing and then if you choose
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right as your alignment it means the right edge of the bullet would be lined up on the margin
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this is a very counter intuitive that's why I'm being very careful to explain this you look at
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a bullet and you think well if I click right isn't it going to move it to the right no it actually
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moves it to the left because what it's doing is it's okay I've got a move to the left so that the
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right hand side of the bullet lines up on the margin if you're having trouble picturing this as I
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say it the best thing to do is just open up a blank document and play around with us a little bit
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and I think it'll start to make sense that it's one of those things that that does tend to puzzle people
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now the last option on the position is called indent at this says what happens to the text if
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your bullet point is more than one line long for a lot of bullets that's not something that's
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going to crop up but there are situations where that does so let's say you're working on a
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on a bullet list and one bullet item is running to three lines worth of text now in a word
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processor of course you never hit enter you just keep typing and it wraps around to the next
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line and keeps going but when it does wrap around to the next line where does that next line begin
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if you would left indent at set to zero then the second line of that bullet point would line up
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right on the margin in other words it would be lined up the same as the bullet above it which is
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very weird but you do have that control what normally people would want to do is probably set the
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indent at at exactly the same as the tab stop because if you do that then your text lines up
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perfectly so that if say the tab stop was three tenths of an inch from the left margin if the
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indent is also three tenths of an inch from the left margin well you text is just going to line up
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perfectly if you want to have some fun and create what's called a hanging paragraph effect you
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could set your indent at to be a little bit more than the tab stop so let's say the tab stop was
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three tenths of an inch indent at was a half an inch or five tenths you know that has the effect
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that the subsequent lines are have even more of a gap from the margin and that's what's called
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a hanging paragraph so you can set it up whatever way you want but that's how you control all of that
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so with this I think we have now covered the topic of bullet lists in some detail
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and so I'm going to leave this for now this is a hukka for hacker public radio reminding all of
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you please never forget to support free software goodbye
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