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Episode: 1761
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Title: HPR1761: HPR Community News for April 2015
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Source: https://hub.hackerpublicradio.org/ccdn.php?filename=/eps/hpr1761/hpr1761.mp3
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Transcribed: 2025-10-18 08:58:37
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Hi everybody, my name is Ken Fallon and you're listening to another episode of Hacker
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Public Radio and with me tonight is... Hi, it's Dave Morris.
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Dave, you're back. How is life? Not bad, not bad. Yeah, sorry I missed last time. Not feeling too
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well, but there you go. That's life. I have been fighting with Windows scripts. Have you ever done any
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Windows batch files at all? No, I kept clear of it. I used to use Siguin on Windows so I could avoid
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all that stuff. Yeah, that's cheating. I have had to do some batch files and I used to do it before
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way back in the day. Bosses really, there's no loops, no nothing. It's just, oh my god, it's
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amazingly primitive for the 21st century, I'm surprised. Well, I'm fairness, I guess the guys
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have got PowerShell and that sort of thing so it does a lot more. Oh yeah, yeah. I have colleagues,
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ex colleagues who swear by that and say it's very good, but I have no experience with it.
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Never mind, and I think they're from the guys who know that you use it. The versions, depending on
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the version of Windows, you're using the versions of PowerShell different from one to the other.
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However, this is not this week in Windows. It is, in fact, Hacker Public Radio Community News
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for April 2015 and for those of you joining for the first time, welcome to HPR.
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HPR is a community podcast network where the show is provided by people who listen, that is you.
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So nobody's getting paid for any of this and our infrastructure is kindly supported by anonosthost.com
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and joining as new hosts this week's work. Good thing you've got, you're going to be compressing
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out the silences. Of course, there was a silence there while I switched to the right.
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So this week's new hosts are M and still void.
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Both of those I guess I could have done or say, there you go.
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That's his tradition. Tradition that somebody else does it for you, yeah.
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Don't worry, I'll put your people to his yes, please. The night is young, the night is young.
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Anyway, as is our tradition here in HPR on the first of April, if it falls on a weekday Monday to
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Friday, we run a pro food show. And this month was this year was no exception, credit card pin
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breach. And if you are anybody knows of a good one to do, please get in touch when we have plenty
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of time so that we can schedule that for you for next year. It was good. It was good. I like the
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joke. I'm afraid I didn't listen to more than about 10 minutes. I've listened to every HPR show,
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so I had to listen to that. I could have speeded it up about a hundred times for outside with the
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done it. Yeah. Okay, the following day was an actual real show, theaters of the imagination lost
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and brought the dramatic audio media, which is pretty good. He is, yeah, I like this good review
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of three different recordings by such. Yeah, yeah, I was impressed with the Tazcam recorder he was
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talking about, though it's a bit pricey here. I don't know, I forget what it was in the States.
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Exactly. I have the Zoom H2, so H4 would be nice to have, but we make do what we have.
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Absolutely. The following day was mailing list Eskis by David Morris. And an excellent show,
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because you kind of, you know, I asked you to do this as well, because I kind of came into it and
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you know, top posting and bottom posting and all that sort of stuff, and the reasons why you might
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do it, and the logic behind it and the email threads are very, very excellent. Also the Epobs
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norths were absolutely excellent. Yeah, I think they could do with some improvement just chatting to
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John Culpe about how he does them. I might take on his, it probably will take on his methodology,
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but I thought it was an interesting experiment. I got a few positive comments about the Epobs stuff,
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so yeah, I don't know how I sort of felt that the show is maybe a little bit too boring come
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all, but the really extreme geeks. There we go. It's there. Oh, I did enjoy it, so there you go.
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That was the main thing. Good. So then the next one was HVR Community News, which we can skip over.
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I was a bit too much at talking about that, and then a re-recording of 50 and 50s, how to get
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yourself in an open source podcast presentation from Linux Fest, Kansas Linux Fest. Real pity they
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weren't able to get those recordings in. Yeah, absolutely. There's a nice idea for a talk. If I'd
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seen that in a schedule, I'd have been tempted to go along and listen to it, but yeah,
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good for him. Yeah, I'm glad he took the time to record the first, because that was pretty cool.
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Yeah, that was very thoughtful of him. Then we had Lord Straggendloop, went to scale 13 and
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didn't he do a fantastic job on the recording of these interviews. He worked really hard to,
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must have worked really hard to get these that some tremendous interviews here. I hope it hasn't
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had an adverse effect on his health now as a result of that. He said he was feeling a bit
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unwell towards the end, I think he said. I heard him talking on TLLTS about the experience,
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but I've got for him to be tackling that. Fantastic job he did.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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The funny cause I had interviewed Matthew Miller a few weeks ago on a Boston. So here we are,
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two shows, two different parts of the world, pretty awesome. Yeah, full circle there.
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The following day was Paul's SQL in space, which is brilliant. I know that one will be right
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up your alley. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, I love that. That was the thought about the
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relativity problems, contacting these things on satellites, plus Postgres, which is my,
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I think everybody calls it, it's a really bizarre name, Postgres SQL, but it's still pronounced Postgres
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by most people, I think they stuck the QL on the end relatively recently, just to show that
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that it's a database, I think. Yeah, I'm Brian Lunduk, interesting interview.
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Yeah, he was, he was quite amusing, wasn't he? Yeah, he was, I enjoyed that. Yes, not been
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as personal as he was, as you know, really, so, uh, fair enough. No, no, he's, uh, there's a human
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being, oh, I shouldn't say that, you know, really, but it came across as quite an interesting
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guy to talk to. You sound sort of person you'd want to speak to yourself about.
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Exactly. They have a podcast called Bad Voltage, so if you want to know what my jab about
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the personality thing is, go have a listen to that, but a good podcast, quite entertaining.
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And then the last, uh, and that one was the next interview was the open solar
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Susa Bill service, which I'm surprised more people are not using it. It seems to be a fantastic,
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fantastic thing, little gem. Yeah, I've heard, heard things about it and good things about you,
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but I've not heard of many people using it. Um, not sure what that means. No wonder is, uh,
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because I've heard people, uh, that Debbie and her very, um, you know, have requirements
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about exactly how packages are supposed to be built. And if I suppose there's a not invented
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here sort of mentality, but it will be useful for other people, you know, if you have a small
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project here, it's the dev just to unload it. Yeah, sure. It is meant to be a generic, uh,
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toolkit, I think that would make anything, I guess. I don't know that much about it, but, uh,
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was my impression. So the following day we had a hookah with his liberal for series, uh,
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introduction to liberal office impress, which is the PowerPoint. And actually, in this one,
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he's more talking about, um, general things about your presentation. And actually, you know,
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get it, get a pen and paper and write your presentation. That's, you know, that's advice I have
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given to my own children when they've had to do a class project. Yeah, it was important to give
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everyone an idea of how to think about stuff. You say his name three times folks and he appears.
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It works. I didn't even see you coming in. Hi, come on. Hey, how you doing? Tired, tired,
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very tired. So we're up to 1746, aged interviews from scale X. I was doing the editing for these,
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so they, um, I was up against time. So the show notes were, uh, for the other ones are a little
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truncated. So there were quite a lot of interviews here. The LPI, one course source,
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elementary OS, open source robotic tools, cis lugging, open X, and thin pen, and penguin, and
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codey, all nice little snippet of interviews actually. And then the following day, there was
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the so-called pearl longer, so it seemed to be at every, uh, event. Again, open stack, girls in
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tech LA, snow drive co-op, and salt stack. I was really interested to hear about the girls in tech
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LA. There's a, um, a girls in tech Amsterdam as well, so I would like to get in touch with them to
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see what they're promoting. Yeah, and it sounded really good from what they were saying.
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I've, uh, started taking, now looking at, uh, speakers and presentations, just now that
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has become in my mind, you know, when you, you kind of don't know stuff, and then when it's brought
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to your attention, I'm now looking to see, okay, here's a, here's a conference, and the keynote
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speakers, there are no female present presenters, and there are no, um, you know, there's predominantly
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white male, you know, there's only white males given presentations. And, uh, you know, you, oh no,
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it's not a problem until you actually look at this, and you go, yeah, this, this could be your problem.
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And this isn't just limited to tech, taking, you know, a lot of the conferences I've been looking at,
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um, and you go, well, surely in this field, but surely could have found, you know, somebody,
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other than, you know, standard white males to give a presentation.
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But you have to make an effort and look. Absolutely. And I think, I think the, um, I think what happened
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with the, um, when you, when you start in a Linux Fest, I heard, uh, one talk about, you know,
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how the golf speakers, they looked up the conferences, the other conferences that there were,
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to see what speakers were available and they invited them. So that kind of is self-reinforcing,
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if you're only doing that, and there are no, you're just picking from the same pool. So,
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might be no harm, just people who are organizing conferences to think a little bit outside of
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the box and, and contact girls and techs, blacks and, blacks and technology and other, um, tech groups
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out there, you know, 20 minutes of googling and, you know, you might get some contacts. At least,
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you know, you tried, you know what I mean? And yeah, stepping over to the box. And, uh, Lordy asked
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that this, the 1749, which was, uh, interview with Justin King, browser-based, um,
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emulator computer that he had his own episode and I completely agree with that, uh, well-worthness.
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He was a very bright young lad. He, he, he, he, he spoke so well too.
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Very much, uh, very, very bright. Um, and I, I wonder though, um, you know, a lot of the,
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his opinions, I, I suppose you question them because I, I was questioning, um, his approach to
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free software and stuff as, uh, as a parent, I wonder, do I impose my views of free software, uh,
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and, uh, proprietary software on my kids? I know I do, I try not to, I know I do. So I just wonder,
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is that coming out as well? Is that a good thing or a bad thing or is it just a fact of life, I guess?
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It's a fact of life, I think, isn't it? I mean, however hard you try not to pass opinions and ideas
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across to your, your kids, they still pick them up somehow or other. So, you know, and then,
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then they filter them and, and keep some and throw some away. I, I don't think it's necessarily a
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bad thing unless you really hammering opinions into them. No, no, not so much, but, um, I don't have
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proprietary applications in the house and the certain types of forms I want, allow on the house,
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unless they want them, they have to buy themselves. Yeah, I do the same. I don't see how you can raise
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children and not give them some of your values. It just has to happen that way. Yeah, I just want them
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to, to be thinking about it at least. Yeah, that's a good thing. Okay, okay, moving on to accessibility,
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John Culp put this in. I loved these and actually reading the show notes when I was posted,
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I didn't really get what he was on about until I heard the episode, not to say that I was just
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in a rush and really paid that much attention, but some of these are really cool. Yeah, John,
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the way that John works is, is fascinating. And he, he's, he's highlighted some very interesting
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tools here. I certainly, I started playing around with X Clip and it was a great way to, uh,
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to actually, um, fill the clipboard without, you know, if you're trying to cut and pay something
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large, X Clip with a file name is a fantastic way to, uh, to, to, to, to paste things into a form or
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whatever it is you're trying to do into an editor, perhaps. So that was very helpful. I've had that
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where, um, I wanted to put stuff from the clipboard, you know, highlight something and then run,
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run a script, uh, when it goes in and that would actually really help my return to that in the
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future. But I definitely followed a lot of these things under, yeah, this is stuff I need to, uh,
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I need to go and look into. And Steve Bickel did our, uh, in this third show, how he got into Linux,
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thanking CrunchBang a long way. Yeah, he was a guy mentioned Sonic Pie as well, which, uh,
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if you looked at that, that looks very impressive. No, what was that again?
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Sonic Pie is a, is a package that I think must have been developed for the Raspberry Pi,
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but it's also available on, uh, Macs and Windows, I think. And it's, it's a,
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it's a music generation interface with the, I assume it's just a language that's been developed for
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making, uh, making music. It's quite fascinating. Cool. How did I miss that?
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Trunk kid silence will, uh, take out the bit where I go and Google that again.
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Cool. That looks interesting. Yeah, it looked like something to, to play with.
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Something for kids, really. I mean, it's, uh, and old kids like me, but, uh, it's, uh,
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it would be great for, for youngsters, I'm sure, to get into music generation on the, on the various
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machines. And then, uh, the following day, we had 1752, uh, PangleCon 2015. It's over. Yep.
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Yeah, it was last weekend. Good crack. Well, it was wonderful. Not a great time. I've just about
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recovered from it. Excellent. Uh, nobody recorded any shows for us. Unfortunately,
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uh, not certain of that because one of the, uh, unexpected pleasures, uh, 5150 came.
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Oh, fantastic. Good news. And, and I think he may have gotten at least one interview that, uh,
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is going to show up. Yeah, he wanted to get one with Bruce Schneier, but Bruce was only there
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Friday night. Um, so that made it kind of hard to get anything in there. But, uh, I, I do think he
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was looking for other interviews while he was at the, uh, event. He was also a guest on, uh, Sunday
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morning, Linux review where we did a live, uh, broadcast from the PangleCon. So it was,
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it was great to meet him in person, you know. Yeah. I mean, up until now, it just
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been this voice. Yeah, it's funny. Actually, uh, you think, uh, strange that you happened
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at 51. It's a very after all. It's going to be done the road.
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Well, uh, Kansas is not exactly next door. It's only that far on the map.
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Yeah, like as far as from one side of Europe to the other,
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it's only two inches on the map. I gotta call up at that the first time I went to the state.
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I'll tell you. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So it would, uh, if I was driving it, it would, uh,
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be more than a day. Okay. But that was cool. And we'll note out here more about that on
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other podcasts. The next, um, show, I think AMP was the first time host, if I'm not mistaken.
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Yes. Yeah. And introducing his five year old to sugar on toast. I love this episode. It's cool.
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Yeah, I, I, I really enjoy those sort of, you know, microphone in the background type of,
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type of shows ambient sound type of things. And, uh, listening to something like this is,
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is fascinating. I particularly like the two, uh, dual language approach.
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I think it's going along. Very, very, very good. Start them young. That's what I say. Keep them
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coming. And now we have two other people who I know, uh, listen to HPR and their follow,
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for me, a show. So we had the next day, D7 Y7, uh, John Cope, uh, Bob's music. And this did kind
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of make some sense to me as I was listening to it. And I'll say, yeah, I enjoyed it a lot. Uh,
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I've been a musician for quite a long time. But it was, it was good hearing his take on that.
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What do you play? Well, uh, I don't play an instrument any longer. In fact, I just finished
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selling off, um, all of my stuff there. But, uh, I also sing. And that's really what I'm sticking
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with now. Excellent. I tune in at the end for we'll hear, uh, have, uh, sing us, uh, the free
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software song. Uh, well, sort of kind of. Fair enough. Um, yeah. No, D7 liked it next year.
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Yeah. That's great. Go ahead. Just putting my two pen, I think I, uh, I was intrigued by this,
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the dissonance and consonance thing. I'd been to a talk at the Edinburgh Science Festival where
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they were looking at, uh, human brains, um, and their reaction to these, these things, um, where
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a dissonance is not resolved. So it was quite fitted in with my limited understanding of what they
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were talking about there. So, uh, cool. Yeah. A certain amount of it seems to be universal.
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I've seen people do studies about how certain musical things, uh, persist across all cultures.
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So, uh, it seems to have to do with how the brain is wired. Yeah. Yeah. Fascinating to think
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why though. And, uh, you know, when it started to develop and are there, are there, uh, higher
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primates that have this as well? You know, that would be an interesting study if it hasn't been done.
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Yeah. And their little musician, uh, joke is that, uh, we used to talk about, uh, bizarre
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chord we would refer to as a perverted 27th chord. I, uh, found it interesting from the point of
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view of, uh, some of the, um, concepts with hammer radio and, um, what happens when you modulate
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two signals together. Yeah. Well, it's all based on frequencies and how they interact.
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Two things I need to ask at the end of the show, Dave, if you can remind me,
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but carrying on, liberal for some press, moving around by hookah, do we get any more in this month?
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Well, that was another introduction to the menu and the various different. Yeah. I've got to get
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some more stuff written and recorded, um, because I'm running out, but I'm working on it.
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Good to hear folks. And if you're not working on your HPR show, well, you should be.
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I am actually a bit concerned about the number of uploads in the last period of time.
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They seem to be all coming from the same one or two hosts. So basically, if you have not
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submissive to show this year, please do so. Thank you. Then we had the Ranger Fall manager.
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And this is another one where I pass Dave Morris will be, uh, poking an ear off about this one.
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It's a file manager in BIM or with BIM bindings at least. Yeah, I had to go and download this one
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straight away and play around with it. It's really interesting. I haven't quite spent enough time
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on it yet, but I can see lots of potential there. That was, it was great to bring it to our attention,
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I don't think my BIM school is strong enough to be used in this, to be honest, or, uh, good to know
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what's there. I do fool myself into thinking someday I will be doing all my computing just on a
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screen session somewhere. And then we have Dave with useful bash functions, many of which I intend
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to just copy and paste and put everywhere. Well, that was the point really. Um, that's why I offered
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them to, to the world. Although that having to over type yes would drive me nuts. Yeah, well,
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you can, you can cancel that. Oh, you can, maybe I should produce another version which doesn't,
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doesn't do that. I thought it was a great idea when I, when I did it and that, and I got used to
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doing it. And then I thought, actually, I'm getting really annoyed with this. Maybe everybody else
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will as well. So, but can you edit the yes and all when you put it in? Oh, the, what it's doing is,
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it's putting up a read line line, which is pre-populated with, with the default that you've put in.
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So you can, you can, um, scroll back and, I mean, you can curse a back, um, or you can delete it,
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or you can edit it or do what the hell you like with it, just like you could on a command line.
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Well, for something like yes or no, I might be useful, but for something like, uh, you know,
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I quite often generate URLs from things. And then I might want to go in and just edit
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something from hcdp to hcdsbs or a parameter, or a parameter around, and that will be actually
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quite useful to do. That's, that's the sort of thing I had in mind when I, when I created that,
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there's another, there's another one coming in the same family, um, that, uh, pre-populates things.
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So, um, you, you, you might have worked out what the, the, the answer to the question would be,
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um, uh, somewhere else in the script, and then you would bring up the, the thing saying, I think
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this is what you, this is what you mean, and is, and then you can just accept it or you can go and
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edit it. That's everything. Very excellent, very excellent. And I presume in your upcoming shows,
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you'll have a show about how you can put these into libraries and how you can make them available,
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and make sure they're on all your computers and everything. I did mention how I put these all
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into a file and then, uh, source them in my scripts, but, uh, really, that takes you off into,
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into Git or something of that. So, it's, uh, maybe it's, uh, in my queue of things to possibly do.
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I don't know. I'm sure there's other people who know it better than I do. It could do about the job,
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but we'll, we'll see how we go. Actually, if you do have that, that would be handy.
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Pulling stuff from Git and, uh, sourcing it. I'm still looking for somebody to do a show on
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the proper locations for, you know, files, uh, start-up files, you know,
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bash scripts, environmental variables, that sort of thing, that's universal, of course,
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that will work in terminals and SSH, you know, where do you put them, personal, system-wide,
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blah, blah, blah, that sort of stuff. You won't have to answer now. It would be handy if you could
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answer it sometime, not necessarily you did, but they'll general public it.
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So, the next day, C-Prompt, taking three perfectly good shows and stuffing them into one,
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uh, radio-topia, you are XVT256C and Crash Course in astronomy. All of these could have been their
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own show, C-Prompt, you could all be in one show, all of the things were own show, why? Why?
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Well, now, one of the things that we could do, if you wish, is that I am supporting Crash Course
|
||||
on Patreon, and that's something I check in every day for any new files that they have uploaded
|
||||
to YouTube. I'd be happy to record a show about it. Yeah, please do so, please do so. No,
|
||||
there I'm money, I'm only messing with the Curtis. It's fantastic shows, and put them three small
|
||||
snippets like that together is a cool thing, I've done one or two shows like that, three little
|
||||
things, and I record a show about it. I've heard about this, you are XVT256C thing, um, where before,
|
||||
but to be honest, I always thought there were too many letters in it to be something I could ever
|
||||
type, and he didn't mention, but the words VT means virtual terminal, but which, I think he did,
|
||||
did he not, I thought he did say the whole way through without XVT. Okay, maybe it was in his notes,
|
||||
I'm sure I saw it somewhere, it was my memory failing me. I like his, I do like his format,
|
||||
his cool stuff idea is a good one, because it's just sort of nice little news,
|
||||
bike snippets about subjects that have caught his attention, and there's a great things to share
|
||||
like that. Absolutely, so the next day we had Firefox OS from Stillboid, first time host,
|
||||
and I was really glad to see this one, because I'm just generically interested in
|
||||
something more flexible, format, well actually something more free format. Yeah, the gig's phone
|
||||
sounds good, doesn't it? I followed up his links there and had a good look around,
|
||||
looks, it's quite a tempting phone, well for people who don't want to spend too much on phones,
|
||||
that is like me. Yeah, I'm right there with you buddy. Not sure about Firefox OS just at the moment,
|
||||
but we've been interested in to give it a go just to have a look. And this phone comes with a
|
||||
ruchus android, does it? Yeah, yeah. And I think it's quite a reasonable spec.
|
||||
I've forgotten exactly, because I went hunting for other phones after I've read the details of
|
||||
this, and they've all merged together in my head, but it did seem like quite a nice phone for
|
||||
not too much money. I'm just on here on the website and have a look. Oh, by the way, yes,
|
||||
if people have recipes for bread making your own bread, could you please record a show about
|
||||
just failing that, could you email me recipes please? As I would like to have recipes for making bread,
|
||||
homemade bread, easy ones that don't require a lot of things, we can get you started. Okay,
|
||||
we've heard it here for first. And oh yeah, that was the last one for this month, correct?
|
||||
That's right. I know who could get annoyed if I skip on, but I just hit the next, next,
|
||||
next button. Okay, Dave, how about seeing as you've completely taken over the you do,
|
||||
the comments, and I will do the mailing list discussions. So we had James, but mailing list,
|
||||
by the way, if you're new to HBR is where pretty much all the policy decisions are made,
|
||||
yeah, it's kind of low volume. You better read, listen, read, and listen to Dave's mailing list
|
||||
etiquette, or he gets very annoyed, goes on, flame wars and everything on there, catches you off,
|
||||
finds out your IP address, your home location, and then sends people around to take care of you if
|
||||
you top post. That's me to tea, absolutely. Yep, yep. So we had James saying
|
||||
thanks for the credit card, print breach thing, he's gone and informed his bank to get a new credit
|
||||
card. Sight links on HBR, yeah, they did a CSS with Borked and wasn't shown properly for Mike
|
||||
and other visually impaired people. So I think that's fixed now with massive help from
|
||||
and when to go. And I've met one or two alterations since and think you have as well, Dave. So
|
||||
anybody out there under any circumstances ever comes across something wrong with the site,
|
||||
don't think somebody else is going to tell us about it. You send an email to adminatacapublicradio.org,
|
||||
you send it to the email list or you phone the dial-in number, you tell us about it, you know,
|
||||
because if we don't know about it, we can't fix it. Yeah, simple as that. And if something's
|
||||
happening with the CSS that stops people from being able to do access the site, then we just disable
|
||||
the CSS until we get a fixture like we did here. Then we have a question about Libra Office card
|
||||
from Mike Ray and it was answered by James and yeah, about how you access some stuff in Libra Office.
|
||||
Then John Colp emailed saying that the HPR boss is malfunctioning. There is something you need
|
||||
to be aware of. If you have a Gmail address, anything come from the HPR thingy is being marked
|
||||
as spam. So if you have a Gmail address, you need to go into the spam thing and write list
|
||||
your email address. Say it one more time. Regardless of what email address you're using, HPR will
|
||||
probably be marked as spam. So when you click on the button and it comes back, thank you for
|
||||
smithing a show. By that stage, you should already have had the email. So if you don't find it,
|
||||
check in your spam folders. Thank you. David Whitman asked for to reserve the 8th of July.
|
||||
Nobody objected. So that's that. And 50 and 50 was looking for to see who needed
|
||||
the Zoom H1 recorder. It looks like he brought it himself today to Penggukon.
|
||||
I think that if you have the recorder as a Penggukon, you may never know.
|
||||
Then we had a question from John Colp about screencasts putting embedded audio into ebooks.
|
||||
And this was super fascinating. If anyone has not had a chance to watch the video,
|
||||
it is definitely definitely something that you should download and watch.
|
||||
Yeah, absolutely. It's very, very interesting to see that workflow. The amount of work there is
|
||||
quite astonishing, but very impressive. Yes, but not only that, he is really used in the computer,
|
||||
like people in the visual computers to be in science fiction movies back in the 50s.
|
||||
Talking to his computer, having the computer do stuff for him. It's fantastic.
|
||||
And John was asked for 11th of May to be reserved. No objections were given. So,
|
||||
therefore, go ahead. I think he, I don't know if he ever followed up on that, but he did mention
|
||||
I've been chatting with him on Gnu's social a bit. And I think he said he was going to try and
|
||||
record a thing with his mother and the opportunity slipped by, so it never came to be, I think.
|
||||
Oh, bummer. Okay, well, good try. I got that right, by the way. That was my impression.
|
||||
Then there was a question about Libra Office and from Mike Ray about
|
||||
about fonts, Libra, Liberation Sans, what type of font to use and interesting discussion about
|
||||
what fonts you can expect on your system. Kevin even replied, because he wants for my catcher.
|
||||
The archive.org API, he had a question about and you replied back to it as well.
|
||||
Even Jason Scott, who is from textfiles.com and has done many movies and stuff about archiving.
|
||||
If you have a spare evening, Google him. Yes, he's an impressive guy. He often comes onto
|
||||
one of the 2600 shows off the hook. He's very often appears. Yeah, he's an impressive guy.
|
||||
I think Mike decided to go with the pearl solution. Last thing I heard from him anyway,
|
||||
so he was messing around with the script that I'd written for HBR, so I've not heard any follow-up.
|
||||
I'm sure he'll be hearing this and we'll come back with an answer, but he managed to solve
|
||||
everything to his satisfaction. Coming back with an audio recording for HBR, no doubt.
|
||||
Anyway, I had a message about disabling CSS and it's back. John Colp, if there's a problem with
|
||||
some device, an iPad browser, tell me about it. Don't be saying, oh, it's fixed now on my device.
|
||||
Tell me before when there's things wrong with it. Thank you. Thank you very much.
|
||||
And we changed the FTP password, so if you want us to go to the mailing list or better yet,
|
||||
just reserve a show and click the upload button and then a little humility.
|
||||
And then we had a comment about this community news show coming on, and there was a,
|
||||
I got us an email about Hack and the Box in Amsterdam, which is
|
||||
justly expensive. But it seems to be one of those events that is very popular in the security
|
||||
community, but there's usually quite a lot of stuff coming from that. So,
|
||||
so, anyway, there it is. I invite them to join, but he hasn't. And that was that. If anyone's
|
||||
gone, please bring a recorder and get some interviews. And I think if I'm not mistaken,
|
||||
Frank Bell replied to that saying that he put it on Linux, Linuxquestions.org.
|
||||
Something that I didn't know they, I didn't know they had a events schedule over there,
|
||||
which is good because you might use that instead.
|
||||
Never saw that message. So, could it go to the list?
|
||||
Maybe it just came to me. Okay, that's fine. I just, I, there was a point at which I thought
|
||||
odd messages were being dropped. Yeah. I just wondered if that was a case. I think it was,
|
||||
oh no, it's just me, sorry, sorry, Frank, but yes, thanks, Frank, who can't take me off list,
|
||||
to say that you put on Linuxquestions.org. And if you have the events coming up, put them over
|
||||
there as well, no harm to have things in one place. So, Dave, talk us through the comments,
|
||||
seeing as you completely came over, stumped on my ground and took over a complete control of
|
||||
the commenting system. Absolutely. Who would do a thing like that? I mean, it's just shocking,
|
||||
isn't it? This is terrible. Yeah, pushing you away and the next thing you're going to be
|
||||
running community newslicks. More than welcome. Done it once with the, with the hooker. Yeah,
|
||||
anyway. Yeah, so we stumbled through. We did okay. I think we don't, I feel, I feel we,
|
||||
feel confident that we held our own there pretty well. So, the first, the comments list now
|
||||
is sensible. Therefore, I'm just working through it from top to bottom. And there was,
|
||||
there was a comment from, is it, spectacles not working, brain not working, the show from
|
||||
Nightwise about, excuse not to record for HPR had, which was from Andres saying, yes, it was
|
||||
great. And there's a consequence that that was, that was who was, who was, who was our new
|
||||
amp. He called himself amp on HPR. That was the show that he about introducing his five-year-old
|
||||
sugar on toast, which he did as a consequence of Nightwise's prompting, which is fantastic.
|
||||
So next was some comments about 1732, which was John Culp's show about renovating the public
|
||||
domain counterpoint textbook that he did last month. And there were a couple more comments about
|
||||
this. And there was one from, oh, one about the, the question of which is a slash, and which is
|
||||
a backslash. So, Robert Stachos was suggesting a way of solving that one, remembering which way the
|
||||
top corner of the slash is pointing, which I thought was quite an innovative way of doing it. And
|
||||
John, John himself mentioned his YouTube video that we were speaking about earlier.
|
||||
Yeah, it's good to have that in the show, not?
|
||||
Then we had 1738, which was the credit card pin breach, which was, we all believed,
|
||||
was a fascinating and deeply meaningful show. And Jim Zat said, thanks for this informative
|
||||
episode. And he was shocked to hear both yours. He was fascinated here, shocked to hear
|
||||
that credit card pin and voicemail pin were listed in there. So that's very nicely.
|
||||
Of course, I won't be a problem anymore when we have our near-fuel communications.
|
||||
Yeah, right. I just waved a credit card or a debit card over a machine and got it,
|
||||
had it take money out of the thing. That's it. It's happening here now. They're just
|
||||
they're changing all the pin machines to do that. And it drives me, it puts the fear of gold into
|
||||
me. Just 20, you can do it to a maximum of 20 euros before they ask you for a pin.
|
||||
Yeah, yeah, that just seems nuts to me. Some guy with a big laptop walking down the train,
|
||||
20 euros, 20 euros, 20 euros, 20 euros. Get out of the train and there you go.
|
||||
I know, I know. So we're all going to get a little Faraday cage wallets from now on, hey?
|
||||
I have one. I have one. It is impressive. So next was a comment from Mike Ray to last
|
||||
to the March, yeah, last month's community news. And Mike said, oh, he was commenting on the fact
|
||||
that we we had generally didn't get some of his his literary references, I think, in the previous
|
||||
previous community news. It was largely me, I wasn't sure why he was talking about not being very
|
||||
literary. So he said, pearls before swine. So Kevin got points for knowing what it was about.
|
||||
Fortunately, I've done a lot of reading. Well, good for you. I think it's showed the rest of us up.
|
||||
Next we had John Colt commenting on Lord Dragon Blutes episode where he spoke to the
|
||||
to the young fellow whose name I've forgotten for the moment. And John was saying that his son is
|
||||
the same age as Justin King. Thank you. I mean, difficulty finding the name in the episode.
|
||||
Yeah, see it now. Yeah. So if you have children the same age, then it's fascinating to see
|
||||
how others others deal with with the world. HPR 1750 was John Colt's episode about
|
||||
ex-clip and ex-do tool, et cetera. And John made a correction to it. Now I could get very geeky
|
||||
here and and comment on the fact that he was using some a sequence of characters here that completely
|
||||
messed up the the comment system. And only by virtue of lots of fiddling around on my part to
|
||||
their managed to get it to actually be represented properly. Really, we should have edited the original
|
||||
rather than correction in the comments. I think I can't remember what it was now. I think
|
||||
is backslash less than through the comment system into a screaming loop. Well, it just dropped it,
|
||||
dropped the line at that point. So very, very weird. Anyway, we got there in the end.
|
||||
Then I made the comment that I thought it was amazingly impressive what could be done with these
|
||||
tools and blather. I did as is my wand asking why he didn't change his script a little bit. And
|
||||
so anyway, I think he had an answer to that which I can't immediately find.
|
||||
Oh yeah, we were talking about using an environment variable versus an alias. And that's just one
|
||||
of the things that you do when you're putting stuff together. You don't necessarily think of
|
||||
all possible alternatives. Mike Ray enjoyed it. And sorry, just some little scripts.
|
||||
Sometimes you start off. Yeah, if you have a script that's going 15 years, you know, the
|
||||
the level of knowledge that you had back 15 years ago is, you know, things have moved on as well.
|
||||
Oh, we've all done that. We've looked back and thought, why not? Did I do that? And the answer was
|
||||
well, maybe that was the only way you knew at that particular point. You're just having a bad day,
|
||||
you had to finish it quickly or something. Yeah. But sometimes, you know, I always reckon that
|
||||
if you have a suggestion for an alternative, it can be can set up an interesting discussion about
|
||||
better ways of doing things perhaps. Yes, definitely. I know some of the things that you put in
|
||||
are where you've commented on my scripts have improved and created, but I can't help but think
|
||||
people would be better in the show. But then again, that's kind of what prompted me to ask you for
|
||||
to do the bash scripting show, but you're happily doing it all. Absolutely. Everyone a winner
|
||||
or something, I'm quite sure what that means, but you know, I mean, every time you ask for
|
||||
something, you often get what you ask, that's all I mean. But yeah, so where we got to, oh yeah,
|
||||
John was commenting, I think Mike had, Mike Ray had mentioned, had commented on John's show,
|
||||
and the use of blabber and so forth, and John was offering help. And there was a little bit of a
|
||||
two-in-fro about setting up blather to do things. I think Mike was planning to use that as well.
|
||||
So good for him. Don't know quite where the outcome was. I'd like to hear more.
|
||||
Then we had 1754, which is another one. John shows about the, the D7 one.
|
||||
5150 thought that D7 might be something to do with clinging on battle cruisers. John,
|
||||
I sort of came back in confusion, but I didn't get the list, so that's my side.
|
||||
And we had a comment from the love bug, who's context I can't quite place now. What show
|
||||
what shows is? I can't remember now. The bug cast? Yeah, of course. Thank you.
|
||||
I'm saying that it was very helpful to somebody who is a musician. So a whole business of music
|
||||
theory is a winner, I think, especially in John's hands, it seems. Exactly. And John had a,
|
||||
he had a tradition of that show, the song, the full song, and unfortunately, as this was not
|
||||
a copyright, it couldn't be laid, which is a mother. I pulled myself.
|
||||
Then we had 1756 about Ranger, a file manager. John Colp came back with the comment that he thought
|
||||
Ranger is phenomenal. And if you, if you looked at it, it is rather nice. It's sort of three,
|
||||
three columns of information with the directory on the left and the contents of the directory
|
||||
in the middle and the contents of what you're currently looking at on the far right, whether it be
|
||||
directory or file or whatever. I'm not sure I'm doing it justice and describing it like that,
|
||||
but it is very clever. I like it. I've been an MC user, a midnight commander user for many,
|
||||
many years, which is great, but this seems a lot better. You have to work a little bit to get
|
||||
it to exactly what you want, but that's not unusual. As I said, it would be one of interest to you.
|
||||
Absolutely. You see, that's not to say that that's a sure wasn't of interest to the mass public.
|
||||
This is why you cannot judge HBO channels by the number of downloads. It's the number,
|
||||
the amount of impact a particular show has on a particular people. It shows perhaps like that one
|
||||
people using VI already in the movie thinking, oh, right, I'm going to switch my, my everyday tool
|
||||
to this thing. And you might only have might have had a huge impact on something like 20 or 30
|
||||
different people, but that's still a huge impact. You know what I mean? Yeah, I'm just
|
||||
vocalizing this very well. No, I know what you mean. Yeah, it's a good thought.
|
||||
So next was 1757, my show on these bash functions, where I got a comment from Bill Ricker,
|
||||
who said, like the podcast and he liked the idea of the EPUB notes, but I think he was saying
|
||||
that the rendering of the code in the notes was a little bit strange. To be honest, I haven't,
|
||||
I'd looked at it through a caliber on the desktop and it looked fine, of course, but if you try that
|
||||
on a phone, or a phone would be horrible, even on a tablet, it's not really very nice. And I'm not,
|
||||
I don't know, whether how useful it is trying to ePUBs or for code, code stuff, you know,
|
||||
because if you want to use 80 column code, then I'm not quite sure how you do that. You just shrink
|
||||
it down to it fits. I don't know. But the fact that I was using PAND or to generate it was,
|
||||
I commented on in reply, saying that maybe we can do something better if we go for a better way
|
||||
of generating the EPUB stuff. But we'll see. You can, on my Nexus 7, you could view the current
|
||||
thing if you went into landscape mode, but then it's so narrow, it's quite hard because I'd put
|
||||
bits of code and then comments about what it did underneath. So it's really difficult to just keep
|
||||
scrolling up and down or page to page to read the code, then read the comments. It's not,
|
||||
not ideal. I hadn't really thought of that very, very much. It's, it was just a, you know,
|
||||
sounded like a good idea to have some some ePUB notes. And I thought, see how it goes, see what
|
||||
people think. And so it needs work. But maybe there's some potential there.
|
||||
Yeah, I like the idea. So if it's mainly text, if it's primarily text, and I think it could work
|
||||
quite well, but embedded bits of code might not, I don't know. Anyway, we'll see.
|
||||
It was a comment by a hexadecimal number 0xf10e, commenting on my, my throwaway comment about exit
|
||||
codes, I said, 0 is true and anything else is false. And I sort of said, it seems old that one
|
||||
is false, but because that was a pretty stupid thing to say because it's non-zero that's false.
|
||||
I heard this in the way to the train ride and I was thinking myself, what are you on about?
|
||||
Because I had this email discussion with you about what the correct form of error codes was
|
||||
about a year and a half ago. And you were very adamant that one was this and zero was that.
|
||||
Right. Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, this is the trouble of unscripted ramblings, which I'm doing here,
|
||||
of course, can sometimes come back and bite you if you're not completely thinking through what
|
||||
you're saying. There was a case in point. So as I said in my reply, yeah, I'm easily confused.
|
||||
But I must say the way that Unix does this is a little bit, well, it seemed primitive to me as a
|
||||
old-time mainframe programmer because a lot of mainframes worked on the principle that an error code
|
||||
was a thing that mapped into a text file, which was known right across the operating system.
|
||||
So when your program returned an error code, that error code mapped onto a universal error message,
|
||||
which you could then get back as pop up or a display or whatever. You could look up after the
|
||||
event. So sorry, Unix, you would give me an example of that at all. Quite follow.
|
||||
Well, I was thinking the last the last operating system I used to use OpenVMS. It had a concept of
|
||||
what what what it called an error text module. So as you built your your bit of software,
|
||||
your application, you built an error text module. You then define quite long error numbers,
|
||||
you know, great long hexadecimal things. And then you you associated them with a short piece of
|
||||
text, you know, a file not found or something. And then a longer piece, if you wanted to, it said
|
||||
the file you are blah, blah, blah in the context of whatever the program was doing was we couldn't
|
||||
find and that's probably because you're et cetera, et cetera. And when you then run the program,
|
||||
you could associate that error text file with it. And if the program hit that error,
|
||||
it would then invoke the error message thing. And you could also make the error messages
|
||||
visible across the entire operating system. So so that you know, you could share that error
|
||||
message and text throughout many applications if you wanted to. So that was that was the way that
|
||||
a lot of mainframe systems did did that back in the day. Yeah, was that clear? Yeah,
|
||||
you got that. Yeah, thanks boss. So going on to 1758,
|
||||
C prompts, cool stuff, part three, 5150 said, oh, he's making a comment about the night foundation,
|
||||
which was the car and all that stuff, kit and David Hasselhoff.
|
||||
Which comment was this because I just couldn't get that?
|
||||
This was this was comment number one on 1758, yeah, where he says, kit, I double T,
|
||||
well, I can't remember what that stood for. I might be expecting a story about the night foundation
|
||||
would have taken me into the shadowy world of a man who does not exist. And that was all about,
|
||||
you know, what was what was that called? Night Rider, wasn't it? Oh, yes,
|
||||
so the radio tovia was sponsored by part by the night foundation. Okay. Yeah, cool, sorry,
|
||||
big slow. So I think 5150 was on for when he was doing these things. That's the one,
|
||||
that's the one. Yeah. And then my friend ZeroXF10E made a comment on the fact that Curtis had lost
|
||||
a file by doing weird things with naming and so forth and saying, use versioning, you know,
|
||||
hg, Git, Fossil, whatever. And committed. And so that way you back it up and get it back,
|
||||
if you make the things. That's all very well to come. But I have, I listened to him do that.
|
||||
I have literally spent hours and hours and hours with that very same thing. And to this point
|
||||
where I have it on the posted note in my head, two things, two posted notes. One is if I'm
|
||||
put in more than two echo statements and I don't see them coming out, then I'm running the wrong
|
||||
file. And the other one is if I'm doing anything with XML parsing and nothing comes out,
|
||||
it has to be namespaces, two golden rules. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, being careful about the naming
|
||||
of your files is certainly quite important, I think. But I think the Git thing is
|
||||
whatever other repository is valuable comment. Yeah, but sometimes you pull out, you don't want
|
||||
to go in and you don't want, it's only something a small little thing, and you make a copy of the
|
||||
program just outside of the report just to check something. As you don't want all, why is this
|
||||
book not found echo or echo? I'm here. Why is it not going in here? You don't want that
|
||||
necessarily appearing in the public Git repository or in the, all right. So you just pull it out
|
||||
and then four days later, you're still there. And this thing is growing and you think I really
|
||||
should check this in now. And of course, you plan to do that two seconds before your hardest crops.
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So yeah, yeah, I have to tell you, maybe I shouldn't admit this, but I sometimes operate with two
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repositories of a given thing. If it's going to go public, then there's the private repository where
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I make all these really stupid mistakes. And then there's a public repository where what I do
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is to do is to ask the files from the private to the public and then commit them there and pump them
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up to where it's GitHub now that I'm using. But so the garbage doesn't necessarily go that way.
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It doesn't always work, mind you, but that was the theory anyway. Yes, but I think your
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mind is a lot more disciplined than others. Yeah, it's only a small bug. I mean, it can only be a
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small thing. Let's take it out here and just try and see what's going on. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I know.
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It's easy to say. So anyway, see prompt came out and said, yeah, he's just started to use Git for
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this sort of thing and we'll continue to do so for the coding he does in the future. So, well,
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good, good for him. That's how we all learn these things.
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Falling over things is a very good way to learn that they're there, isn't it?
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So the last one was 1759, which was still voids episode on Firefox OS.
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And John Culp welcomed him aboard saying it was an excellent job and he was interested in Firefox OS
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and the possibility of hacking it in the future. So that sounds intriguing. Since it's a web-based
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thing, then it might be more hackable than the many other things. So yeah, I'd like to hear more
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about that myself. Yeah, that's what I would like to, I wanted to have a talk with the Firefox OS
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guys. They have a big book that I asked them, but nobody wanted to give me an interview. Interesting.
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So that's the end of the comments. Yep. Two things I wanted to ask. One was about the bread.
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People have recipes for bread. Easy recipes. I'd like to hear. And secondly, I want to ask,
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I've been struggling with the analogies for basic, for some reason, electronics.
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I'm getting it hard to get stuff into my head. I'm beginning to see both spectrum, but I was
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thinking as an analogy for voltage, the difference between voltage and current. Now we had an
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episode about current. So current is fairly obvious. You river goes past and you have to put
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something into the river to paddle wheel and the river to measure the current go past.
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Would voltage then and equivalent analogy be the width of the river? The wider the river is,
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the higher the voltage for the same current. So that's something for the listeners to think about
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and continue to send in electronically shows, continue to send in shows in general.
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Didn't whoever, I've forgotten who it was, did the voltage current show?
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Did you not mention voltage as well and talk about pressure in plumbing or is that my imagination?
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Yes, but this pressure is good analogy because if I see pressure, I would see the current
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increase if you add more voltage, but it doesn't. It's kind of works if you have a behind the dam.
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So I'm wondering is the width of a river be a more accurate property? Probably not.
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Actually thinking about that. But that's something for people who are screaming down the microphone
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and going, can you're so stupid? No, it's not. Then you just take out your phone right now, record
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an episode and send it into us. Thank you. I'm actually thinking of I have a lot of these silly
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questions and I'm thinking of a, you know, if there was some people who are harder hackers or whatever,
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just who could tolerate stupid questions or reasonably ignorant questions from myself.
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You know, just about the, you know, what is light? What is the wavelength? Why is white? Why is pink?
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Pink? That sort of thing. Yeah, the harmonics, the modulations, that sort of stuff.
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But I'm having a lot of fundamental issues with my ham radio courses,
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getting the concepts into my head. And usually I'm in the past when I'm able to get a concept
|
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into my head, then I'm able to understand it and learn it easier. So if somebody wants to help
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me out with that, get in touch, thanks. Gentlemen, do you have anything else? I'm good.
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Nothing more here. Alrighty. Tune in tomorrow for another exciting episode of HBR.
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And Dave, could you save your recording? Because I don't have a backup here on the NAS.
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And yeah, taking a south would be a hookah with his rendition of the free software.
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So come on now and join the party. You'll be free hackers. You'll be free.
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Yay. All right. That was good. That was great. Thanks guys. Tune in tomorrow for another
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exciting episode of Hacker Public Radio.
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