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Episode: 1919
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Title: HPR1919: DerbyCon Interview with Paul Koblitz
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Source: https://hub.hackerpublicradio.org/ccdn.php?filename=/eps/hpr1919/hpr1919.mp3
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Transcribed: 2025-10-18 11:08:12
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Hey, this is Zoak with Hacker Public Radio, doing another Derbycon interview.
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I'm here with Paul Kobuts.
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So Paul, who are you and what do you do, sir?
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I am a senior security consultant for Trust & Sec, and I mainly focus on physical penetration
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into buildings and social engineering.
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So you get to break into stuff for a living?
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Do you get to break into stuff for a living, and it's awesome.
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And she'd probably point out that I did do some training with Paul and someone else recently
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if I had just a before Derbycon started, so I got to see his bag of tricks and he's got
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all the cool toys.
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Do you want to tell us a bit about some of the physical penetration testing some social
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engineering?
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Obviously don't give away all these, well, please give away all the secrets, but just
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a quick overview and maybe a top one or two tips for people how to do it and how to prevent
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it.
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Well, some of the tips I can give on how to do it is tailgating is always the best way
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to get into a building.
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If you can't tailgate, look for the obvious exposed latches because every single one of them
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can be manipulated.
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Some tips to avoid it are situational awareness, knowing who's behind you, knowing what they're
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trying to do, knowing that you're being followed, and stopping that, and get your building
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engineers to reconfigure the locks so they actually work.
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Cool.
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I've got some general tech questions.
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I think pretty much all of us have numerous apps and desktop and gadget things, so what
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can you not live without?
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First of all, watch mobile app, can't you live without?
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I cannot live without my games, so there you go, play them all the time.
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I suppose if you got to wait outside for several hours waiting for someone to turn
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up so you can tailgate them in, then you've got to do something to occupy your time.
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What do you use for a desktop and can you live without it?
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I have a gaming computer as a desktop computer.
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If you're talking about my laptop, I have a Mac, and while I absolutely hated Macs when
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I first started this job, I've grown to love it because of all the seamless transitions
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between virtual machines and all that kind of stuff.
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And you are the man of gadgets, as I said before, I did see some of your toys and some
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unusual uses, shall we say?
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I've explained how using electronic cigarette, you can actually blow smoke and it can confuse
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some sensors.
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And actually, if you've got door locks that open when a sensor is tripped, you can blow
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this smoke through the door and actually get it to open and unlock the door for you.
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So what gadget can't you live without?
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I would most definitely say that the gadget I can't live without is the Lloyd that's in
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my wallet at all times.
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And that's for manipulating those latches on doors that have bad readers that I can't
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get through.
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And I can't tell you how many times I've used that to access a secure space.
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I can just go in Amazon and buy one.
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How much is it?
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You can get one for about $10.
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I'm not sure if they sell them on Amazon.
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I know that they're selling downstairs in the lock picking place right now.
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But honestly, I don't like that one because a TSA agent took it away from me because it
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was metal.
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So I created my own, I have an old hotel key.
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What is the best advice you've ever received in your life to live life to its fullest?
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Short and sweet.
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I like that.
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Right now, obviously, apart from a hacker public radio, which obviously is your favorite
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podcast, what is your favorite security rated podcast?
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I would definitely have to say that my favorite other than one you just mentioned is the trusted
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SEC podcast, which we record every single week and it's always available.
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And I highly recommend listening to it if you have not.
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Obviously, HPR is a community run podcast and everyone can record something.
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So when you do make your HPR podcast, obviously, what would you do a podcast on?
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I would definitely do it on physical security, since that's what I'm best at, how to circumvent
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controls that are in place and all that.
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Although you've got the trusted SEC podcast, that kind of doesn't really count, does it?
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No.
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All right.
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I'm my favorite question of all time.
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What is your favorite text, Anderson?
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Nano.
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And why?
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Because it's nano.
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Fair enough.
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I'm just going to wrap this up.
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Last few questions again.
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Who are you?
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And where can people find you?
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Again, my name is Paul Colwoods.
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I work for trusted SEC in Dave Kennedy.
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I can be found at trusted SEC.
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I can also be found by my Twitter handle, which I'll spell it just to stay away from
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obscenities.
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And that would be P-H-4-Q-U-E, and I'll let you figure out what it might stand for.
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Fake, surely.
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And nothing else.
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Nothing else.
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And let's move on.
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All right.
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Well, Paul, thank you very much.
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