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Episode: 2015
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Title: HPR2015: Linux in the Church
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Source: https://hub.hackerpublicradio.org/ccdn.php?filename=/eps/hpr2015/hpr2015.mp3
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Transcribed: 2025-10-18 13:20:27
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This is HPR episode 2015 entitled Linux in the Church.
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It is posted my first time post-show and in about 19 minutes long, the summary is how
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I'm using Linux for many of my projects at Church.
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Hello Hacker Public Radio family, Joe Salino here.
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This is my first recording for Hacker Public Radio.
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I just finished listening to recording and how someone recorded their band and Linux.
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It got me thinking I've been using Linux for quite a while, I've been doing a lot with
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it at my church and I thought maybe this would be helpful for others.
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So let me introduce myself, I'm Joe Salino, I live in Upstate New York, I am an Evangelical
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Christian which might be a little foreign to listeners, especially those in Europe, but
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I lived quite a crazy life up until the age of 30 and decided that I needed something
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deeper to guide my life and so I jumped into faith in Christ and haven't looked back
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since, best decision I've ever made.
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You don't have to park your brain at the door when you believe in God.
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There's many good sites out there, I would suggest for those of you who are skeptical
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of God or faith, a couple of them would be reasons to believe science, perspective on faith,
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reasonable faith, that's a philosophical ministry that really has, I probably thousands
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of articles and great podcasts on philosophical understanding of the world today and faith,
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stand to reason, many, many sites out there for those who are open-minded and would like
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to look into how faith can really be a thoughtful way to live your life.
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But anyway, let me get onto the subject at hand, I wanted to discuss how I've been
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gently introducing my church to Linux.
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I've been using Linux since the late 90s, I started out with Mandrake Linux, it was
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the only distro I could get to recognize most of my hardware on my computer and I really
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enjoyed Mandrake, that was an awesome distribution.
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The only problem I had with it was Lilo, it bore itself every once in a while and I couldn't
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boot it.
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So Mandrake had an option to create a floppy disk, emergency boot, floppy disk and that
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was great because I would keep three or four of those in my desk drawer and whenever Mandrake
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wouldn't boot I'd just throw that in and I could boot back into it and that was great.
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I tried Red Hat, I think back in the late 90s also and that was also Lilo, Boot, Grubb
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really was a great way to boot later on.
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I didn't use Linux exclusively at that time, I just couldn't use it regularly and reliably
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because of hardware issues and all that but as soon as Ubuntu came around I jumped
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right on Warty Warthug back and I think that was 2005 and from that time on I never
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looked back, I ditched Windows and exclusively used Linux.
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Enjoy Linux, let me confess, I am not a coder, I am not a hacker in the traditional sense
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but I love hardware, I love tearing down computers, I love anything digital playing around
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with digital creation and stuff like that.
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So Linux just fit me like a glove and I love it.
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Unfortunately in my present situation I'm the technical director at my church, Windows
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is just a way of life in most churches and so I've had to learn to accept that and I
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do use Windows at church but as I said earlier I'm gently introducing Linux to my church
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family and to my tech team and I haven't really run into any pushback, I use Linux Mint,
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Mate version, Cinnamon, both of those and I set it up so that the desktop looks so much
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like Windows as far as the GUI using it, keep the start menu down at the bottom.
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I just kind of set it up so that everybody is familiar with the whole paradigm of the
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old gnome days with the start menu at the bottom and applications on the desktop stuff
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like that.
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So that hasn't been a problem, some of the things that I'm using Linux for at church,
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I started out by using it as just a backup computer which store all our files on there
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and then we moved out of the analog world on our soundboard and moved into the digital
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world by purchasing a Barenger X32.
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Let me just say for those of you who are into sound production, the Barenger X32 is
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an awesome board for the price.
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I'm kind of late to the world of sound, I just got into it in my later years as a volunteer
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church and then gradually learned more because I was just so into it and the analog world
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was very foreign to me, it was very difficult to learn the operation of the board.
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We had an old Mackey that we used and when we purchased the Barenger X32 with motorized
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faders, layered channels, all kinds of good stuff, digital recording, all that, it was
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a lot easier for me to use the Barenger board because it was basically a giant computer,
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I mean it operated very much like a computer, it has all its onboard effects right there
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and the board, so we didn't even need our outboard effects units anymore, so I really enjoyed
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the X32 and it really motivated me to learn a lot more about sound.
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Let me make a plug for a fellow who's put a lot of tutorials on YouTube, Drew Braschler,
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really awesome videos he puts up there about the X32 and how to operate, I learned quite
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a bit from him, so there's a shout out to Drew, thank you for all those video tutorials
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you produce.
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So anyway, next is, we started experimenting with multi-track recording and when we would
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want to record our bands, rehearsals or even some of the services, worship services,
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I started out trying our door on Linux on my laptop, just coming in with off the board
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on an analog plug-in but the results were not very good and with the board the X32 came
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a software package called Traction and we installed that on our Windows computer, that works
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very well.
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I later found out by just kind of doing a little research that Traction is, I believe
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it's Linux, it's open source software, but it's sold for Windows but Barronzger gives
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it away free when you buy an X32.
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So when I researched the Traction software on their website, I realized that they gave
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away the Linux version, they don't make it actually very easy to find it on their website
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and you don't get the latest version but they do give away the Linux version of Traction
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and I highly recommend that it's good software for doing multi-track recording, it's a different
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GUI than like Pro Tools or some of the others but it's fairly intuitive, easy to get a handle
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on.
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So we used that at church and I've installed it on Linux and works fine, we used Jack
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Control Kit as the background driver and works well.
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Also we record our sermons through the Barronzger X32, it has built in to track USB.
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When we're done recording, I just throw that recording on our Linux backs in Open Audacity
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and edit it, mix it down to MP3 and use a great plugin and fire facts to upload through
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FTP to our servers, I think it's fire FTP is what I use, a great little piece of software.
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And when we have people come in and ask for a CD of the sermon, we used to exclusively
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use CDs and burn all our sermons to CDs and now since we've gotten the X32, it does
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have the USB recording which makes things much easier.
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But we do have people that still want CDs, so I use Percero and Linux to burn them CDs,
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works very efficiently, can burn them CD very quickly.
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Also in the church environment, when people walk in you have a little bit of time before
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service starts, so we like to play a little walk in music, you know, five to ten minutes
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before service starts and the band starts playing, we will use VLC or normally we'll use
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Clementine, beautiful media player, I really like Clementine, it did have some issues with
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memory early on when they first started using it, but I haven't noticed that lately, so
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I believe they work that out in the newer versions.
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But Clementine is a great piece of software, I enjoy it and we use that to play back music
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that I've ripped to my computer, I'll use a CD player sometimes, but usually I'll use
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the computer to play back, walk in music soft and music playing in the background as people
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walk in.
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Now, one thing I failed to mention when I edit the sermons, before I upload them to
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our servers, I do tag them with a piece of software called Puddle Tag, one of many tagging
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pieces of software out there, very easy to use, I haven't gotten into some of the more
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detailed things you can do with it, but it meets my needs, so works great, so I tag it,
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throw a picture on there of our church, upload it to the server, and then of course when
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it's downloaded, the sermon title date, our pastor's name, and a picture of churches is
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right there on the MP35.
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Recently, I was looking for a solution to broadcast our services live, I had played around
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with the idea of broadcasting our services with video, doing the YouTube thing, but one
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thing I've seen is you don't really get a big bang for your buck doing that thing, there's
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not a whole lot of people that take advantage of video feed in a mid-sized church, such
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as ours, and so it's a lot of work for little gain, actually.
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So I decided to go with the sound, live sound, I didn't want to incur any costs to the
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church, so I had known of icecast, I had tried it on my own computer at home a couple of
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years ago, and found that it was fairly easy to use, like everything else in Linux, it's
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a file, everything works in a configuration file, and like I said, I'm not a coder, but
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I can work configuration files and a few bash scripts and stuff like that.
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But anyway, I had tried Dark Ice, some of the other pieces of software that go along
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with icecast, a broadcast, and I found a nifty piece of software called Butt, B-U-T-T, broadcast
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using this tool, the guy's at church got a kick out of that acronym there, and anyway,
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Butt is a very nice piece of software that goes along with icecast to take your live feed
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and stream it to icecast out to the internet, and it's working wonderfully for us.
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I had, I spent about two or three weeks with a dry run, asking people to just listen
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and let me know how the quality was, and if over a two or three week period I would kind
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of tweak things here and there.
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We have it running just fine now, we don't have a whole lot of listeners, but I'm sure
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as people find out about it, it'll be utilized more.
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Just another way of using Linux to expand the church's resources and ministries and help
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move the church out of the proprietary software mindset.
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Like I said, we still use Windows, one of the things we have to use Windows 4 is Pro
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Presenter, that's presentation piece of software exclusively for churches, and it's a great
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piece of software.
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Love it, does a lot of things for you, you know, presents your slides, gives you the
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ability to overlay images, present your lyrics, play videos seamlessly, with PowerPoint,
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which we were using previously, I had to re-encode every video I played back to WMV before
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I could play it in PowerPoint, it was a real pain, and now I can play just about any
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kind of video in Pro Presenter.
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Unfortunately, like I said, it does run on Windows, there is open source presentation software
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out there, but Pro Presenter is a great piece of software, so we're using that and enjoy
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it.
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I'm just about to start a new project that will be shooting videos, I've done some minor
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stuff today, but we're going to be jumping into that in a bigger way, and for videos right
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now, for small projects, I use OpenShot, you know, it's sufficient, it's a nice piece
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of software, I don't really do a whole lot of video editing right now, I'll probably
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be learning how to do a lot more of that, I'll be doing more videos, so I'll need something
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probably a little more feature rich than OpenShot, but OpenShot's a good piece of software,
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it does the job, I've used Kaden Live, and I think that's probably what I'll move to when
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I start doing more videos and need some more elements, but, yeah, videos are going to
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be, I'm looking forward to doing those, they're going to be a great asset to our church
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and to encouraging people, so that's what that's about.
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Another thing that I've started doing is a podcast for our church, I went out and I picked
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up a $100 mixer, the baringer, Xenix Q1202 USB mixer, I like it, the only thing it doesn't
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do, it only lets you record two tracks over USB, and I wish I had looked more into that
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before I bought it, I would have liked to have been able to record at least four tracks,
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if I record analog, I can do what I need to do, we've recorded quite a few podcasts now,
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exploring the connection between worship music and the active worship that was one of our themes,
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also looking at volunteering, the aspect of volunteering in a church, the demands on people,
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their lives are so busy now, how do they find time to volunteer, why do they do it,
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those types of things, right now we're moving into a theme on leadership, I'm interviewing
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people about that aspect of church life and ministry, so it's been very fruitful, people
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have enjoyed it, we don't have a lot of listeners, but like everything else, if you stick with it,
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it will grow, it will expand, and it'll be fruitful, I truly believe that, and so we'll stick with it,
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and it's about it, I found Linux to be a great asset to our church, people have not given me much
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pushback, they just use it, a lot of people don't even realize that much of a difference,
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most people don't understand the whole philosophy behind the open source movement,
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free and open source, it's something that just doesn't enter their mindset, that's one
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reason I do like to use Linux is the idea of free and open source, I'm not as ardent as somebody like,
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you know who I mean, I do use proprietary software when I have to, so for me it's more of a
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pragmatic thing, if I need something, I use it, but I prefer to use Linux, so thanks for listening,
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hope you will consider some of the things I've said in the beginning of the recording,
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I hope that maybe some of the things I discussed about using Linux in church is helpful to you,
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