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+Episode: 2116
+Title: HPR2116: Duffer Gardening
+Source: https://hub.hackerpublicradio.org/ccdn.php?filename=/eps/hpr2116/hpr2116.mp3
+Transcribed: 2025-10-18 14:31:28
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+This is HPR episode 2116 entitled Duffer Gardening.
+It is hosted by Dave Morris and is about 12 minutes long.
+The summary is prior to a Duffer cast recording short column,
+in Sylas and Night at a Conversation about Gardening.
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+Now how do we kick this off?
+Well, we're going to talk about some of our Gardening experiences this summer.
+I think you guys are proper gardeners from what I gather.
+Whereas I'm just a guy with a garden who looks at stuff growing in it.
+Well, I have a fairly large garden, but not all of it is taken up with vegetables and stuff.
+Personally, I find that the most interesting thing is the vegetables and the fruit trees and stuff like that.
+Michael, you used to have a very large garden, but now you have a smaller garden.
+Yeah, well, not very large.
+It was about 2,000 square meter.
+Now I have just a small plot.
+I live in an apartment house, but there are like garden plots just one minute walk away from the house.
+So about four by four meters.
+I deliberately bought this house with a back garden, which is about the same size as the front garden,
+which is it's got a garage in the back.
+So it's sort of the length of a car and a bit more on the end of it.
+And it's just grass and there's enough room to dry your clothes and that's it.
+So that's the entirety of my gardening I'm afraid.
+In our vegetable garden here, and I live in Hungary, so it's a fairly warm climate.
+We have two large raised beds at the bottom of the garden, and that's where most of the vegetables come from.
+That and we have a small poly tunnel, which is maybe four meters long, something like that.
+So a kind of an arch covered in poly thing.
+And then we have some ground just that we grow in various things like we grow sorrow and rhubarb and stuff like that outside.
+So that's kind of what we would use for growing the vegetables.
+But the other side we have a lot of fruit trees, so we have grass and then we have peach trees and pears and different things.
+And you're, since I fully, both on GNU social, I see pictures popping up every sort of, you have some quite high cropping trees there.
+Have you seen peaches this year, for example?
+Yeah, the peaches, well, it varies from year to year.
+You can say what's happening in Sweden this year, what's done well, but different things varies.
+The peaches we're not brilliant.
+I don't particularly like spraying the trees I will if I'm absolutely must, but I don't really like using pesticides or fungicides.
+But some things did well, but they were more like zucchini or courgettes to be more accurate.
+They grow, they're still growing like weeds.
+What else is growing particularly well?
+We have quite a lot of apples.
+We will have a lot of pears, no doubt, because we always have a lot of pears.
+There's two large pear trees, so we'll end up with boxes and boxes of pears.
+What's growing well this year in Sweden, Mikael?
+Well, it varies a lot in Sweden from north to south and if it's on the coast.
+So I lived not in the forest south, but in the mid-south, so it's not like...
+Well, on my plot I have a black current and some raspberries and some zucchini.
+I have just started harvesting the zucchini, so I don't think the total harvest will be quite small.
+And kale, the hipster plant, and broad beans.
+And let's see, our lavender, it's not really edible as far as I know.
+But calendula, what do you call that in English?
+Flower, calendula?
+Not sure, I'm afraid.
+I don't know, it's a common flower, a garden flower.
+Let's see, garlic.
+I harvested some garlic today, which were quite small because I had to plant them in the spring.
+And the best with garlic is the plant, like in August and in August, at least around here.
+But with the climate is colder than in Hungary, that's for sure.
+Depends on where you are.
+I mean, I even heard someone had a walnut tree somewhere in this town, but that's pretty rare up here.
+Oh, you have a walnut tree.
+We have a walnut tree in the garden.
+And we also have a fig tree, which is a very interesting plant because it has an internal flower.
+I'm not really sure what Dave, you can tell us what's the proper way to describe that.
+But it's a very interesting thing.
+It just seems to be that the fruit grow from the junction.
+So there's the difference between the far north and the warmer, the warm south of Hungary.
+Yeah, that's quite interesting, actually.
+Yes, I was brought up in Norfolk on the east coast of England.
+And it's a great agricultural area.
+But people never tried to grow things like that in the gardens.
+I mean, my dad was a keen gardener, but it thought of growing figs.
+I don't think you'd have ever tried that.
+Even things like garlic and zucchini were never really tried, except in a greenhouse.
+You know, just out in the...
+I guess it's a... Although it's fair bit south from you, Michiel.
+It's probably quite a cold area for a fair bit of the year.
+I don't really know.
+So local climate differences can make quite a big difference in what you can grow.
+Yeah, it can make big differences.
+I have some tomatoes on my balcony, but they are still small and green.
+It's not the optimal.
+But my brother who has a small summer house in this town, two and a garden, he has grapes.
+So in the right spot, it can be quite enough for more warmer climate type of plants.
+Yeah, it's quite surprising.
+Yeah, yeah.
+I visited Oslo in Norway one year and was amazed how hot it was in that part of Norway in the summer.
+I think it often is.
+So, you know, we in Britain tend to think that to get to that sort of latitude, it's cold all the time.
+It's certainly not true.
+Yeah, and if you're in south of Sweden in some areas, it can be really the same garden climate as quite far up north along the coast.
+So the latitude is maybe an indication, but that's all.
+Yeah, I noticed that another Mikael in how do you pronounce it?
+Umia in the foreign, well, not far north, but quite far north of Sweden.
+He had on his balcony a lot of tomato plants.
+And I'm looking at them and I'm thinking it's such a difference between how far along in Hungary.
+And this chap in the north of Sweden and how far along his plants are huge difference.
+Yeah, it must have been Umio.
+Yeah, and if you have a balcony with the facing south and that makes a big difference too, I suppose.
+I don't know what he has, but he has to make an episode about gardening to reply to this episode.
+Oh, very good.
+Yes, you definitely have the HPR mindset.
+That sounds very impressive.
+So I'm not sure what what we'll do with with a lot of the produce in the garden here.
+A little interesting fact is we end up with a lot of pairs.
+So we'll end up with more pairs than we can we can we can possibly use.
+So I'll give them away to some of my neighbors, no doubt.
+And then the previous years they've made palinka and palinka would be.
+I am Schnaps, like in German, some kind of hard spirit.
+And that's quite legal, you know, for your own purposes, you can make that here in Hungary.
+So some of those pairs will go to these other people and they'll make some distilled liquor out of it.
+Wow, that's impressive.
+So do people have stills in the houses then?
+They do, yeah, and it's legal.
+It's not illegal if it's for your own consumption.
+So you can do this personally.
+I don't really like it, but if you put honey and it's all right, but not particularly to my taste.
+No, it's in the same sort of class as stuff.
+Is it calvados that they make in France?
+That's an apple.
+That's an apple spirit, isn't it?
+And I think there's a pair one that's similar.
+I can't remember the name of it.
+Those are pretty good.
+They're quite strong and a bit raw, I think.
+Never tried them personally.
+Make your hair go curly.
+Don't ask it.
+You said that about honey and in that liquor.
+Do you mean you put it in when you drink it or when you're producing it?
+No, no, no.
+When it's finished, it's the only kind of way that I would really like to drink it.
+I could perhaps think of it as like two thirds alcohol and then one third honey.
+And then my mother-in-law put in a number of prunes into it as well,
+into the bottom of the bottle, which was kind of unusual.
+And that was quite entertaining, really.
+So that's good.
+My late boss was famous for...
+He always went to France to Brittany for his holidays.
+He always came back with gallons of aquavit,
+which he used to make all manner of fruit infusions with.
+So if you've ever got invited to his place for dinner,
+you've always got served some fruit or other,
+some berries, you know, with this aquavit over the top.
+Very, very powerful stuff, but rather wonderful.
+Oh, yeah.
+So on the garden front, I have this tiny plot.
+But the back of my garden used to be a stream bed.
+When they built the houses in this estate,
+there was a sort of a little stream that ran along there.
+So they put a field drain where the stream bed was to make it look dry.
+But of course, that meant that the soil was like a clay,
+because, you know, it must have been there for hundreds of years,
+this little stream.
+And so I planted turves on my back garden,
+you know, make a nice lawn.
+And gradually, it's been converting itself into a bog.
+So I have all kids growing in this back garden,
+and rushes, and all sorts of plants that you'd expect
+to find beside a river or in a boggy land.
+So that's the extent of my gardening.
+I just let it grow a bit, and it looks interesting.
+And my kids say, oh, wow, that's amazing.
+Dad, you should leave that alone.
+Don't cut that.
+And so I don't.
+That's excellent.
+I'm sure you get some interesting insects as well.
+Yeah, not as many as you do.
+But yes, it's definitely in it.
+It's full of frogs and mice and stuff,
+much to the delight of my cat.
+Well, when they start looking like three feet,
+so you should be worried.
+Yeah, I'm watching out for that.
+When that happens, there's going to be trouble.
+Should we presound ourselves?
+I think we should think about stopping
+because we're coming up till the 9 o'clock.
+Okay.
+That's good.
+That was interesting, guys.
+Thank you.
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