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Episode: 2180
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Title: HPR2180: Mail to myself@myfirstemployment, Part 2 of 2
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Source: https://hub.hackerpublicradio.org/ccdn.php?filename=/eps/hpr2180/hpr2180.mp3
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Transcribed: 2025-10-18 15:23:40
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This in HBR episode 2,180 entitled Male to Myself at My First Employment, Part 2 on 2.
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It is hosted by Clacket and in about 8 minutes long and carrying a clean flag.
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The summary is, I expand on a list of one line of advice to myself 20 years ago that I posted
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on pump.io, Part 2 on 2.
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Hi everybody, this is Ken, just a special note we heard yesterday that Lord Dragonbloth has passed away.
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Clacket has sent in the following message to the mailing list and I just want to make sure that
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everybody has the opportunity to participate. Requesting Lord Dragonbloth's eulogies.
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Hi everybody, Nightwise just told me in IRC that Lord Dragonbloth, a long time friend of Hacker
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Public Radio and its many iterations and been rev well before that has lost his battle with cancer.
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Lord Dragonbloth was a good friend and it's just such a huge loss that he's gone.
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I'm going to record a few thoughts in his honour and post it as an episode but it would be cool if
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anyone else who knew Lord Dragonbloth wanted to do the same. I'm happy to collect and edit the
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recordings together and post them. I don't have a deadline but let's shoot for 14 days from now or so.
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Cheers, go go hug, I loved one, tattoo.
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And now we'll have a few moments of silence.
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So long Lordy.
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Hi, I'm Clacket and this is part two of my further elaboration of one-liner advice given
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from time traveling me to 20 years younger me, professional advice. I think we ended off with
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try it. No sorry, we ended off with there may be no good reason so I'll continue with try it.
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So the advice is try it but heat warning number one.
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And this of course means if you're in doubt if something is going to work or not or what's the
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best way to do something the best information you can get is by just doing it and then see what
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happens. Be careful though when showing your results to someone either it should be unusable
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in production I mean completely unusable or it should be more or less production ready.
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You shouldn't have to be scared of supporting it for the rest of your professional life at least
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at that company. Those who talk may also have something to say but it can take years to learn who
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these people are and what they're actually saying. When I say those who talk here it's a bit
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too straight of a translation from the original Swedish. Those who keep talking all the time
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is the intended meaning here. Those who keep talking all the time may also have something to say but
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it can take years to learn who these people are and what they're actually saying.
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So several of the layers within the software industry consist of people who go to meetings and
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present slides to other people who go to meetings and present slides and it's very easy to
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fall into the trap of believing that all these people are always talking garbage. They're not.
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A lot of them are and it seems like can be quite easy to get away with not really knowing what you're
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doing but some or even a lot of these people actually do know what they're doing and if you can
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parse enough of what they're saying and see what the technical reality behind the oh what's the name
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for that we call it a oh there's a catch your name market yes market texture that's the
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lie of an architecture that you show to the customer that's the market texture but even behind
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the market texture you can see what kind of thought has gone into this into a system existing
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system or potential system and with enough experience you can actually learn something from even
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quite shallow presentations you can suss out if there is something worth considering behind this
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stuff or not you need to be able to determine what slogans are just slogans and what slogans are
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useful labels for things actually thought through and it's not easy but if you can do it you can learn
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from from these people the good ones have a really great high level grasp of things
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and have been designing several systems on a high level and know what kind of trouble you're likely
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to run into an architect for that trouble so that the system can work in the long run
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so learn to identify these people and learn to parse what they're saying and you can learn a lot
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if you don't speak out you won't get the chance to get corrected
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don't be scared to voice your opinion or to ask questions worst thing that can happen
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someone will correct you correction worst thing that can happen is everyone ignores you
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and what may feel like the worst thing that could happen is someone corrects you
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but actually that's a good thing of course if you never learn anything and you always ask the same
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question so you ask questions that show that you haven't really understood the context that's one
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thing but you're probably smart enough to know when you're just not understanding some detail and
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when you're completely out of your depth if you're completely out of your depth then you probably
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shouldn't have gone to that meeting or been in that discussion in the first place so I think it's
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unlikely that it happens a lot if nobody sees your code you won't get the chance to correct it
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you won't get the chance to get corrected
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this is maybe even more important a really good way to learn how to program well is to read
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other people's code and an even better way to learn how to program is to write code and have
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good programmers read it and suggest improvements that's how you really
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get the craft of programming into your system and the last point finish quickly
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then improve but he'd warning number one so this is a rephrasing of
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Eric Rayman's release early release often get yourself out there
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perfection is the enemy of finishing if you're always going to
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add one more feature or remove this little quirk then you're never going to get this thing out
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there and you can't benefit from other people commenting on it maybe even just telling you maybe
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not even just telling you what should be improved but actually sending you patches
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code review is a great thing code review by thousands of people is awesome
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so get your stuff out there and benefit from the knowledge of all the people who may find it
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interesting same as with this podcast if you have something to say just say it if you're wrong
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someone else was in an episode and tell you you're wrong and then you'll learn something
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I hope that people are listening to these episodes these two episodes will provide their own
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comments or audio commentary or both so we can all learn how to become better programmers
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and how to teach others to become better programmers
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