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Episode: 2183
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Title: HPR2183: Data Privacy: Farlands or bust
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Source: https://hub.hackerpublicradio.org/ccdn.php?filename=/eps/hpr2183/hpr2183.mp3
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Transcribed: 2025-10-18 15:26:04
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This is HPR episode 2,183 entitled, Meta Privacy, Far and Farmered.
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It is hosted by Bill, MFMED1 Miller and in about 15 minutes long.
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The summary is conversation in response to comments about my last episode called.
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Hey everyone, how are you doing?
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I'm just a mic here.
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Welcome to my second podcast.
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This is going to be called Data Mining, Far Lands or Bust.
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It really is just a rebuttal in response to the comments I got from my first podcast
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called Google It.
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Some people stating that the fact that Google was not a success story because of everything
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that they offered for free was really not free.
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They're stealing information from us, data from us, things like that.
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I don't wear that tin hat so strong.
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I think the data that they mine is fine.
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It's like the data that Amazon mines is fine with me.
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I use their products to give me a service for it.
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If I go buy a tablet, which I just did, about a tablet, an HD8, they offered me covers
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for it or cases, tempered glass.
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I'm good with that.
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That's the kind of mining that they do.
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They mine and figured out, hey, if they buy this kind of cell phone, they buy these kind
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of cases or they buy these kinds of chargers, let's offer it when they come back.
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They know I buy basketball shoes for my daughter so every time I go on there now, since we
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just bought a bunch of basketball shoes, they're offering me a basketball shoe every
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time.
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Does it timely?
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No, because obviously I've already bought the shoes, but overall, it's a fair trade.
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I think that the stuff that they mine is nowhere near worth anything that they're doing.
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They may get some information out of us as to what we buy and purchase, but the information
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cannot be really used against us.
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They're not really stealing anything that we don't tell everybody already.
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Some of the examples I give you is that I went on to the Wikipedia page and looked up data
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mining when it started things like that.
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And realistically, it got going.
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People seem to think that it's all about the technical data mining now, but it's been
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going on since the 1700s, that people have been taking data and mining it.
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So it's not a new thing.
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It's just new ways of doing it, you know, Google's doing it one way.
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Eventually down the road here, Google will be gone and somebody else will take their
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place and mining data another way, you know.
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We all do it business-wise, even I do.
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I started out building personal computers and repairing them here in New Jersey, actually
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I did it in California.
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And when I moved here to New Jersey, that's when things started to change and people
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weren't here, weren't buying computers.
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I mean, weren't building them.
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They were just going to, you know, Walmart or Best Buy or Circuit City and buying them.
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They were interested in building them a system.
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They were interested in calling some out their brand.
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They just figured, well, I've had it for a couple years, but I'll just get rid of them
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by me.
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So with that kind of information, I learned that I had to adapt of how I was doing things.
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I went from building custom machines in California to setting up machines here for elderly people
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who didn't really understand computers all that much.
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You know, they were just, they were baffled by it.
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It was kind of like my parents and the VCR.
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I had really, that's what my customers became, were those kind of people.
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I'm not a guy that does servers and things like that.
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I was the, you know, the local guy that worked on your system.
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So I took PCs and I started putting things on them that would work.
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Now I do more Chromebook style stuff and more Linux stuff now than I do anything else.
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I try to keep people away from Windows only because if I have them on Windows every
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week, I'm getting a phone call, it can fix their computers.
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So if Linux is not so bad, there's a lot of good, you know, distros out there.
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Code Linux is one, peppermint OS I love, Manto OS is another, from elderly people, I really
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use the Code Linux deal because it really just runs like Chrome OS and keeps them out of
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trouble.
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But anyway, I digress.
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Yeah, a conversation came up with Joe Heck, who I think's smarter than I'll ever be.
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I'm like Yogi Bear looking for my next picnic basket when it comes to, you know, trying
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to battle what's with him.
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But he seems to think that it's the fact that, you know, Google is stealing information.
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So that's nothing is free.
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I claim that a lot of the products that we get are free and they say it comes at a cost
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for your freedoms.
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I don't agree.
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The things that we get out of it's far outweigh the things that they take from it.
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So they get some information, you know.
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Where are they going to get out of it?
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What are they going to use it against us?
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I mean, what are they hearing?
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Are they going to find out possibly my search engine that I'm looking at, Midget Circus
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porn?
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Oh, well, who's going to use that against you, you know, who are they going to post it
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up online?
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I'm more worried about the after effects of information we have.
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Like, it's not the Google's that I'm worried about.
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It's the people who steal the information than what they do with it.
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Like, I had my PSN account, my PlayStation network account hacked years ago.
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They got my credit card and they rang up a bunch of stuff on it, including a couple
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hundred dollars on World of Warcraft stuff.
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But my bank took care of it right away.
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We shut it down.
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I changed out the credit card on the PSN and I got smarter.
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I learned that I don't put my credit card on the PSN.
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I put a rechargeable one on there and I keep just a bare minimum amount of ten bucks or
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something that keeps it going or twenty bucks to keep the gold series going on.
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I don't have to worry about it anymore.
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But that part of the privacy is what scares me more than the actual Google taking it because
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it's never Google who uses my information against me.
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It's individuals who steal that information and then use it against me.
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There's a website called Have I Been Poned that you can look up if your emails have been
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you know, hijacked off of, you know, hacksites or whatever.
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I've got a few up there.
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I've just got one for War Inc.
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I think it is or a War Rock.
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I forget what it is, but probably ten years old, they've figured out a way to hack the
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database and they got that information out there, which I don't know if they got all
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full passwords, but they definitely got salted passwords out of the deal.
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But there's a few of them.
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I got it from my space.
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Some type of hosting I was on.
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It got me up there, but you can put your email address in and check it out there.
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And so I've learned to change my habits.
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And those people scare me more than companies, the more so than companies like Google.
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It's for getting my information realistically, we have given our information away for decades.
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I can tell you personally it started, you know, as soon as I got out of high school, I applied
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for credit cards.
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I mean, what's the first thing you do when you apply for credit cards?
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You give everybody your information.
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I've bought cars.
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You have to give them almost everything including your blood type to get a car loan, you know.
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So I have a mortgage.
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All that information is out there.
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I'm an amateur radio operator.
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My call sign is out there because you have my address and everything else, you know.
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So if you're looking for information, you can get it from me.
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You don't have to really check that hard.
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And a lot of us are that way.
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If you own a business or an LLC, you know, you show up online, you can't hide that information.
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You've been given, you know, your information away to governments for years when it comes
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to your taxes.
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We used to do phones.
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You know, we talk about, oh, they're bugging our phones or they're getting information
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on our phones.
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Well, I just think we remember, you know, before cell phones, when it came to landlines,
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that we'd get our cell phone, I mean, our phone bills.
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And we'd go through them.
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We'd make sure that there were no erroneous phone calls in there and, you know, stuff
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we're getting charged for.
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And what did we do?
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We didn't shred it.
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I didn't have a shredder in my house back then.
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We just dumped it into the trash.
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So anybody could get our information.
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It's all on the old bills.
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And anytime you pay the bills pretty much that way.
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You didn't shred anything.
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I mean, for years before shredders became a thing, you could go buy in a department store.
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You just do the stuff in the trash.
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All your bills you paid, your gas bill, your water bill, all the stubs on that were there.
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When you went into, you know, to open up a bank account, you had to give all that information
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up.
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You used to write checks, you know, checks is a major one.
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How many of us wrote checks and everything about you is on the check.
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Your phone number, your address, you know.
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You have got pretty much everything on that check right away and your signature.
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So they could open up accounts knowing your information there.
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Anytime you got employed, you give up information.
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You know, God knows how much information you give up when you're employed.
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They want everything as well.
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Nowadays being employed, you can't even have a Facebook life because if you say something
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about work on it, it could go back to haunch.
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That's why I don't say anything about where I work and what I do on Facebook or anything
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like that.
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I keep that separate.
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Everything is renting, you know.
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Here's the main one I had problems with, you know, when it comes to us giving away our
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privacy is that, you know, before I was a homeowner, I was a renter.
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Well, in the 90s, I want to say, probably mid 90s sometime, people started running credit
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checks to free you to rent an apartment.
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Well, the people that they had running these properties were not, you know, professional
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property management people, most of them, most of them were some schmuck that they gave,
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you know, a discount on their rents to collect the information for them, to run the credit
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checks and so on.
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So you were giving your information to just some schmuck that was running this property.
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Not a professional, you know, it was just somebody that hired to run your credit info and
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you just gave it away freely.
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Did you ever get it back?
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Well, it was if you were declined.
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Well, if they said, no, I'm sorry, you know, we give the apartment to somebody else.
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We never went back and got our applications back.
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I never did.
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So I mean, the thing about our privacy is kind of a misnomer that we are, you know, being
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unundated now more something we ever were, it's just different things that they're looking
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for.
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We have given away everything in the cow since day one and all that plays into it.
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I mean, if you go back and look and realistically do this for me, go back and make a list of everything
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you filled out and signed up for online and, you know, card you got in it, stores, the
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customer, you know, VIP cards you've done, every time you've applied for a giveaway, you
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know, when you walk up and give your name, add just some fun number.
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All right.
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A little bit of entertainment every time I run.
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I'm going to leave that in just because that's my ringtone on my phone.
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Actually, guys, I should have turned it down before I started, but anyway, where was I?
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So yeah, go back and make a list, you know, look at what you've given away on your own
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versus what someone has taken from you and look at what could possibly go wrong with everything
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you've given away versus the fact that you have Google spying on you.
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You'll learn that real quick that you've probably done more damage than Google ever could
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when it comes to keeping you private.
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I know it is with me.
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I just go back and I did the list thing myself.
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I went back and said, well, I'm going to fill it out lately.
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Let's go back 10 years.
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And let's fill it out and sure enough, I went, wow, Google has nothing on what I have
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done.
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They really haven't.
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So anyway, that's pretty much it with me.
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Like I said, I'm one of those guys that you probably people hate.
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They call me, you know, probably an idiot for doing it, but I'm one of those ones that
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does not worry about my online privacy very much.
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I changed my passwords now more so than I ever did.
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I don't set it for websites, erroneously, like I used to.
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I'm pretty straightforward as to where I get my products from.
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You know, I shop Amazon, I shop Google, I shop, you know, I do, you know, I use a password
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manager, I use separate emails for anything.
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I do like that, you know, credit cards online are now like a rechargeable credit cards.
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You try and do as much as you can to keep yourself safe, but it's going to come down to
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you.
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And it's never going to be Google that steals your information or uses your information.
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It's going to be someone who stole it from a company, you know, eventually, and then
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using it against you.
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The PSN was one, I just had three friends here just here within the last two weeks.
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They got hacked, their debit cards got hacked, going to local stores, you know, and finding
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out that people are running up hundreds of thousands of dollars with the stuff on their
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credit cards and emptying their bank accounts on stuff from Nordstroms to everything up
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all the way up to New York City.
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So, you know, I've any time that something like that happens, it usually starts with somebody
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local, not someone like a company like Google or Yahoo or things like that, you know, people
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hack into companies like Target and those are the people that are going to do the most
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damage to you.
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It's not going to mean necessarily Google.
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Do they need to work on their security, but yes, all companies need to work on the security
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and we're way behind the eight ball when it comes to security.
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They need to protect us more when it comes to that security, keeping our data safe.
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I don't care if they collected that, I just wanted to keep it safe.
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Do I agree that they all need to work on that?
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Yes, that is the main thing.
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Get it safe.
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You can take whatever you want.
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You can get all the information.
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You want to find out I like wearing two twos and watching my little pony at night?
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Hey, more power to you.
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You know, I just don't want to find it up on Facebook later on.
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So that's it.
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So anyway, what's your opinion of it?
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I know I've rambled on on this one here a little bit, but hopefully it's fun to listen
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to you and I get some more feedback.
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I want to thank everybody for the feedback that they gave me on my last episode, especially
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guys like Joe Heck, Dorter Dorgie, Steve McLaughlin.
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You guys are definitely inspiration to me and I definitely cherish the feedback you give
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me.
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Good and bad.
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It's always very constructive either way and I appreciate the comments you do.
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I mean, the compliments you give me as well.
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If you can get out there, check all these guys's podcasts out there as well, podnets.com.
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Joe is on, you can find him on Google, Google Plus through the podnets community.
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He has his own podcasting as well.
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It's the SPC VPN show, I believe.
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Very smart, very cerebral way above my favorite.
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I listen to him and I get that whole deer and the headlights look when I listen to him.
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But I do get stuff out of it and I do get stuff out of his posting and I do catch a little
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thing.
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He's like, oh, that's what he meant by that.
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So if you're going to listen to people that are smarter than you, they just make it better
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for you.
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And those two guys are doing jobs that are making me smarter in the end.
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It's not very much, obviously, but it does come in.
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And also everybody else, too.
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There's guys, Mark Cockrow out there at LNNOP.com, you can find out the Linux guys over Jupiter,
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Scoogie Sprite, another guy.
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He's insane.
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I love the man to death, a good friend of mine on Steam.
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And he's crazy as hell.
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But when it comes to Linux gaming, there's nobody else I trust more.
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So get out there and listen to those people.
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Get out listening to me if you want.
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I ramble.
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Those guys will give you good information.
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They will keep you on the straight and narrow.
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And then there are people I look up to.
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So get out there and support them the best you can and I hope to hear back from you as
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well.
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You can contact me at tech warriors at gmail.com, tech warriors with a Z on the end.
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I don't know if I said that wrong or not.
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But you can contact me there.
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I take all comments.
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I listen to them.
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I listen to the fact that you guys didn't like the echo, so I took the echo off this
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time.
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I kind of agree with you.
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After I listened to it, I didn't like the sound of it as well.
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But thank you and you guys have a good day.
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