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Episode: 2972
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Title: HPR2972: The foot of the ski slope
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Source: https://hub.hackerpublicradio.org/ccdn.php?filename=/eps/hpr2972/hpr2972.mp3
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Transcribed: 2025-10-24 14:06:31
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This is HPR episode 2,972 for Tuesday 24 December 2019. Today's show is entitled The First of the Ski Slope.
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It is hosted by Dave Morris
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and is about 45 minutes long
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and carries an explicit flag. The summer is
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MRX and Dave Morris chat about nerdy things near a ski slope.
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email saying, an email saying that he cited sign as being the biggest threat to Microsoft.
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It's a tiny bit as company that he thought was going to crush Microsoft.
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I might suggest that the opposite happens as you can imagine that sign isn't available
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today.
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It's, you've got crush to do so, but yeah, I've still got a sign 3C and it sits next to
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my bed and it makes a great alarm clock.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Those are some great things.
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There was a whole range of devices, wasn't it?
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Yeah, the ones with the keyboard, it was the sort of held, things looked like a phone.
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Funny you should say that.
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It's actually, if anyone watched the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy and they used to pull
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out the don't panic things from the Hitchhiker's side, the Galaxy, and it looked very much
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like a sign, a site of the fast sign 2, sort of, you know what I'm saying?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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They used it for data logging in warehouses and such like, and well, I bought an Atari
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portfolio back in the day and it ran an early version of DOS and it was always, it was
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of course a lot of money at the time, it was fantastic, and I filled the database with
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entries with phone numbers and all that, took me a long time to type it out of these
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numbers and I had a week or so, it went, crash, I lost all the entries.
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So they did the same thing a second time, and it went, crash a second time, it was
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bad for Hitchh.
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So I sold that and it was a lot of money and I think on Ebay, it was a sign 2, which by
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that point was really old hat, it didn't even have a quirky keyboard, it was like A, B,
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C, D, E, you know, in rows, and it was like square dot matrix, you can display, there's
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a very rubbishy display and all that, and I didn't expect very much of it, I was just
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going to be rubbish, you know, and I got it and I discovered, yeah, okay, this player's
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rubbish, it doesn't have as much memory, it's a slow process, but it's being very carefully
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crafted in design, it never ever crashed, never ever crashed, it's stored huge amounts
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of information, it just worked flawlessly, it's a difference between buying something,
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it's all gimmicking, it looks apart, when it ends up being rubbish, there's this thing
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which actually longs rubbish, but it's actually really well done, yeah, that's sexy, but
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actually, and the bigger signs were the same, my sign 3 C, until recently, I don't have
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it here or so ago, what basically happened was the component specifications I think in
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the device drifted, and now the back-up battery has reported as being flat all the time,
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so what happens is when the main battery fails, the sign and then lose it all of its information,
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but prior to that point in time, the sign has never ever crashed, so at all, 10 plus years
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or something, that's like Adam, it never really did, never crashed, never lost a single
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bite of information, how many computers can you say that's the case, so yeah, clever
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design, and I bet you, I don't want to see machine, that would not be the case, but
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people don't, I don't know, but there you go, yeah, there's a lot of mileage in looking
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back at some of those bits of kit, I was just remembering as you were saying that, it was
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a guy at work years ago now, who had one of these small handheld devices, can't remember
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what it was, but it didn't have a keyboard, although there was an accessory you could buy
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for it, where you effectively stood it on the keyboard or in front of it, I'm not sure
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what it was, but you could write things on this, it had a screen, you had to write in
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its own funny little scripting and languages, what was that then, I know how well it was,
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I'll tell you why, because I had a server called our compact iPAC, and every time I see
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iPAC people think I'm talking about a PDA, and it's an iPAC, that's what it is, but
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they also did a mini server that looks a bit like a fan heater, and he used it as my
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whole server, but not as my iPAC PDA, but yeah, there's been a stay less than you wrote,
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yeah, and they're special, there were, you could represent whole words with some, you
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could learn some simple symbols, but you could actually write quite quickly with this, in
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a strange, higher-difficult way, yeah, remember those, I never had one, but I was always
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jealous of this guy Colin, he used to go and take meeting minutes, using that thing,
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wow, that's impressive, you don't need to take minutes with this on Colin's doing it,
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hey Colin, how are you doing, I'll be positive, how well it worked up, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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yeah, I know, very good, very good stuff, reminiscence, so topic number two, oh great,
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well that, I still will ask for it, I haven't had the difficulty with audacity recently,
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and of course I use it in a Boone tune, snaps and whatnot, and of course this newer version
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of a Boone tune, was it using snaps, you get the very latest version of audacity, obviously
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it takes a bit of time to switch on when you click the icon, obviously snaps doing its
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thing before it powers up, but I think, I think what's happening is, and I haven't looked
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into it because I haven't got the time when I'm too lazy, so just in fact the other day
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I was recording an episode which I completely marked up a bit at by the by, and I found
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it, clicking the icon didn't launch audacity at all, no matter how long I waited, and I
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think that's happened previously in an uninstalled and reinstalled, and I was actually kind of
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getting rid of the snap package and just using it from the repository, because I don't
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get it's the latest one, but I think what's happening is, it's association with the link
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changes, I think what happens is that the, the, the audacity behind the scenes and in the
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links not working, because if I open up a terminal and take the audacity, bang it works,
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so it's no big deal, so that's just what I'm going to do, use a terminal.
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Yeah, yeah, I run Debian testing, so I'm used to occasionally some package gets an update
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and it's, it destroys it, I've lost Calibra at the moment, and it's really frustrating
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because I made ePub notes from the last show I submitted, and I can't read them, I can
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if I move to my laptop, but it's just one of those really niggly things, and it's, the
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other one that really got me annoyed this past week or so, so I use Clementine as my music
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player.
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All right, that's, that's, that's, that's, it's, it's, it came from KDE originally, what
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is it, it's a clone of, what's it called, I've got it, it's gone up my head now, there
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was a music player on KDE, which Amarok, it was called, Amarok, yes, I've tied that
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along.
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It's similar, I used to use Amarok all the time, and then they messed it up totally,
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right, and then Clementine came along to fill the gap, so I've, I've stuck with that
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for the moment, but it's got this really strange feature, the UI comes up and you use it,
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and then it's, you tend to go to the corner and click the, the close button in the, in
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the top corner of the window, and it closes down, but it doesn't, it doesn't close, it's
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just the UI goes away, right, and you end up with a, you still got a little thing in the,
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in the, the tray, just to, yeah, that's running, yeah.
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If you go to that and quit it, then it goes away, when you start it up again, it comes
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back in the same state, and there's no means of getting from that little thing in the
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tray to the UI, so seeing you have to go to the config file, find a line that says hidden
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is true, and change that to hidden equals false, and then it comes back on, I can, there's
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no, there's nothing seen, how would you want that?
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I think an upgrade in quotes, I'm waiting on my hands in the air, has, has, has done this,
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because you used to be able to just click on the, the thing in the tray, and it would bring
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up the UI, but it doesn't work anymore, so yeah, frustration, there you go, ah, I can
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see that without a problem, related to that, there was, I had an issue with them, they're
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HDI, with the jacks, and, you know, I've got an Intel board, and, you know, it assigns
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the wrong type of device, when you plug it in, it says, oh, you're plugging it in, head
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what was it called now, eh, wiki dot I think it's called, and I think, sure there was a polis chap that, or, and I could get this, like, I get this wrong, but he, he gave it to the community for, for sort of thing to use, and there was no charge, and I think it got bought by a corporate company or something, and, and, but they allowed the old members to stay free, I think, I might still be free, I'm not sure, but, the point is I still, I'm still with, eh, wiki dot, and, eh, I think I used, eh, I could all consider,
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that, that, that sort of tight to convert, I use the word, try, tight to convert, the, the map down from, eh, wiki dot to, I think it was media wiki or what we were always, and, eh, it was, fairly successful, but then I, after I, to spend a lot of time, clicking the scripts, and converting my text, I never actually used it, so, yeah, I've, I've said been a bit waste of time, really, but, I think one day I'll get back to using the media wiki, I think I'm, I'm running on my own pie rather than, I think, I might, I might be wrong, but I think that,
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PanDoc, which is a document convergence, understands media wiki markdown in either in input or more in output or both.
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But they won't let people understand the wiki dot, I don't think.
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No, no problem, you see.
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That's right, that's why I'm trying to be so green with you effectively, you know, moving to media wiki.
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Because I think you could write a bit of markdown stuff and then generate media wiki stuff out as an output.
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I need to check this to be, to be absolutely certain, but I'm pretty certain that the wiki markdown markup confusing is one of the options.
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So, you know, there's all sorts of possibilities.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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I also use a, I use Ubuntu and Raspberry and obviously, but I also use OSMC open source media centre.
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Yeah, and I run that on a pie downstairs.
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And I've got a plus, very, plus, very, plus, plus, very pie.
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It's basically a box.
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And it's got a, you know, it was for the earlier pies, I think only had two USB sockets.
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So, it's got a powered, kind of, hubby thing inside there.
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So, it gives you four USBs out.
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And there's a space for a fan.
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And it also, you can put hard drive in it as well, although I never actually did that.
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I had a plan to do it.
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But I found it actually in wiki meet, having a external one, because we start with unplugging it and take it away.
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You put it in the box, it's difficult to get this.
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Yeah.
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But it was quite, quite expensive case, because it was a limited number that, you know, was to kickstart a type thing.
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And then, of course, I think I'm not sure, I'm fairly sure it won't support the very latest pie.
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Yeah.
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So, I've got a pie 3B, which I was planning to use for media,
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but I'm not sure I can.
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And I've probably need to rebuild it, because I don't think the WSMC that's on there.
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I wouldn't work on the 3B.
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And it's a finding in time and then creation.
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So, I've worked the 3B that I use for hard-eastern upstairs.
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It's my most powerful pie.
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And I've worked all their pie, and I think as a media set, I've worked the wrong way around.
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But when I get time, you know, one of these days, of course.
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That's always the same, yeah.
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That's not a thing, I've gone away from media totally.
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I don't watch tele or movies or anything like that.
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So, I find it.
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I'd survive with that.
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Yeah, I'd write scripts.
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I'd move the time.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I think if I was, if I was, if I had more free time, I'd be doing the same.
|
||||
But I don't so well.
|
||||
But, yeah.
|
||||
That's just me.
|
||||
That's just me.
|
||||
That's just me.
|
||||
So, did you, I think you run Debian, I think you mentioned Debian at one point,
|
||||
was that you're just saying effectively that Debian is under, is Ubuntu is.
|
||||
Yeah.
|
||||
One of your shows recently, you said on Debian, you would type get blah blah blah.
|
||||
Yeah.
|
||||
Well, yeah.
|
||||
It's a Debian.
|
||||
Obviously, I've been to the Debian based in quotes.
|
||||
The distribution of an app and whatnot.
|
||||
You call that app to the point of the package manager.
|
||||
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
|
||||
But I think I did run, they've been a wee bit at one point.
|
||||
But yeah, you know, had Debian on an app talk, that's right.
|
||||
Yeah.
|
||||
I did.
|
||||
But I think, as Alex has said, I'm a bit of a pragmatist.
|
||||
You know, I just want something that's going to be convenient.
|
||||
I absolutely appreciate that, you know, Debian is more pure than, like, I've been to a suppose.
|
||||
And there's one more pure than Debian.
|
||||
But I just want something to work.
|
||||
No, no, I'm sorry.
|
||||
So, I just, I did install Debian on a machine at one point.
|
||||
And thought, oh, yes, it's great.
|
||||
It's going to be stable forever.
|
||||
And I realized, hang on, there's a new version of this, a new version of that.
|
||||
And it's not available.
|
||||
Yeah.
|
||||
It's not in the repository.
|
||||
So that's not good.
|
||||
That's why I moved to Debian testing.
|
||||
Yeah.
|
||||
So it's slightly frustrating.
|
||||
I used to run a bun to a lot, out of run fedora, quite a lot in the past.
|
||||
But at the moment, I've got Debian testing on my desktop, which is my main machine.
|
||||
And I've got laptop, which has got KDE Neon on it, which is actually very good.
|
||||
Which is basically a bun too, with tons of KDE hands on it.
|
||||
I've never really got, well, I think very, very good.
|
||||
And funny, I think we back, we were back in the day.
|
||||
I had a play with Linux.
|
||||
But I never really went very far.
|
||||
And it was all just kind of gooey stuff.
|
||||
I didn't do any of that.
|
||||
And all of you know, they configured it.
|
||||
It was just when I was just a dual booted.
|
||||
And I was amazed at the computer at the time.
|
||||
So it was a way, way better.
|
||||
And then what would it be?
|
||||
Red heart, 5.1 or something.
|
||||
A way from way back.
|
||||
So, and then I just, a lot was amazed.
|
||||
I didn't know what to do with it.
|
||||
And that was as far as I went.
|
||||
And then I really got into Linux properly.
|
||||
And what was it now?
|
||||
It was a HF.
|
||||
I'm going through all the Bruntu names.
|
||||
So it's a D, D, E, HF.
|
||||
Yeah, HF, I think HF is the first one.
|
||||
Well, that was 16.0, 6.0 or something like that.
|
||||
16.0.
|
||||
It was something like that anyway,
|
||||
which I first got into Linux properly.
|
||||
And you know, it was, I think,
|
||||
I think at that point I was finding one with boring.
|
||||
I think that was it.
|
||||
That was it.
|
||||
I've got it.
|
||||
I saw it's too easy.
|
||||
It just works.
|
||||
Which, so that, that was the thing.
|
||||
And then I got a, I got a,
|
||||
and I've been to,
|
||||
I've been to, wasn't it,
|
||||
it was an idiot's guide.
|
||||
It was something like that.
|
||||
It was, oh, fantastic.
|
||||
I didn't cover the cover sort of thing.
|
||||
And that, that, that was it.
|
||||
Sort of thing.
|
||||
I was just hooked, you know.
|
||||
Yeah.
|
||||
So it's mostly been,
|
||||
I've been to, I've,
|
||||
I've stuck with, I haven't,
|
||||
I have played other,
|
||||
other distributions on laptops and stuff.
|
||||
And it was out.
|
||||
Now, what was that one?
|
||||
Kind of, it was dead being based.
|
||||
That was,
|
||||
the one that was quite common.
|
||||
It was a,
|
||||
we small distribution,
|
||||
but I went by the wayside.
|
||||
And,
|
||||
like they were talking about just,
|
||||
just in our podcast,
|
||||
I was listening to the other day.
|
||||
Like, I can't remember.
|
||||
Yeah.
|
||||
There's so many.
|
||||
There's so many out there.
|
||||
That's right.
|
||||
Yeah.
|
||||
You're talking about,
|
||||
um,
|
||||
other, other distributions.
|
||||
I,
|
||||
just remembering,
|
||||
I was,
|
||||
I've got a,
|
||||
triple EPC,
|
||||
you know,
|
||||
those old days,
|
||||
which still runs.
|
||||
Sort of thing.
|
||||
And I had installed crunch bang on that.
|
||||
That's it.
|
||||
I was thinking,
|
||||
crunch bang,
|
||||
and that was good on my,
|
||||
I had,
|
||||
uh,
|
||||
another laptop,
|
||||
HP,
|
||||
a compact,
|
||||
any,
|
||||
a compact laptop,
|
||||
any,
|
||||
and it needed to be quite a low-power thing.
|
||||
And it was,
|
||||
it was great.
|
||||
It was,
|
||||
it was great.
|
||||
It was really good, yeah.
|
||||
So sad when,
|
||||
yeah.
|
||||
Right.
|
||||
I met Mr,
|
||||
crunch bang,
|
||||
uh,
|
||||
Phil,
|
||||
Philip Nubra.
|
||||
Wow.
|
||||
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
|
||||
It's good to see him.
|
||||
Yeah.
|
||||
He's,
|
||||
he's just wrote that kind of for himself.
|
||||
And,
|
||||
and I think he was quite surprised
|
||||
the way he took off.
|
||||
Yes, I think, you know,
|
||||
I think it was a bit of a no,
|
||||
a bit,
|
||||
a bit of a burden for him.
|
||||
I'm sure,
|
||||
I'm sure,
|
||||
I've never really talked him about
|
||||
why he felt it was best to break away from him.
|
||||
But, you know,
|
||||
I'm sure there were good reasons.
|
||||
But it's,
|
||||
it's a shame.
|
||||
Yeah.
|
||||
Yeah.
|
||||
But I think,
|
||||
I think,
|
||||
let's say,
|
||||
one of the other experiences I use is,
|
||||
is,
|
||||
is,
|
||||
is,
|
||||
is,
|
||||
is,
|
||||
is,
|
||||
is,
|
||||
is,
|
||||
is,
|
||||
is,
|
||||
is,
|
||||
is,
|
||||
is,
|
||||
is,
|
||||
is,
|
||||
it solved some of the shockcomings of the early pies but of course for the newer pies coming out
|
||||
I think maybe the timing was unfortunately because he produced this and then not long after the
|
||||
pies the higher-spec pies came out which made his hardware wasn't so appealing to Sarah but I mean
|
||||
to get that to change not on a not on a create this really slick distribution but to also come
|
||||
up with a bit of hardware as well you know that's a heck of an undertaking for us to have to do our
|
||||
yes oh yeah yeah so yeah yeah yeah very impressive so yeah when I first started using learners it
|
||||
was one of the early red hats I think it was four points all right yeah um we would we were
|
||||
running Unix at work and one of my colleagues that he should try this Linux I think he would
|
||||
do in a part-time job working on it in a cyber cafe and it's all Linux and
|
||||
yeah we should try we should try and still in it on that I don't know I don't know I was pretty much
|
||||
of the mindset that we're buying this kit we're getting the manufacturer's operating system and
|
||||
that was the way to go but he managed to convince me yeah yeah yeah I was it took a little while
|
||||
for me to be coming up as my colleague makes colleagues tell me well you were really slow in getting on
|
||||
but but yeah eventually did yeah so it was red hat was red hat was was one of the main things at
|
||||
that point and then that turned into Fedora yeah and which because the red hat were not doing a
|
||||
a desktop version anymore at that point then and so I ran Fedora with KDE for quite a time and then
|
||||
I went to Ubuntu with KDE so could one for a very long time and it is so easy to forget how
|
||||
how much more difficult thing I remember back in on the red hat 5.1 and even the earlier
|
||||
early versions of Ubuntu the things that you had to do you know to get things working you know tweaking
|
||||
yeah yeah what was the called x media that's x was like yeah yeah you could blow your yeah you could
|
||||
blow your yeah you got the frequency of the of the scan frequency or something and then getting
|
||||
your your minus card to work up and make me as well or the more damn that oh absolutely yes yes
|
||||
be like a lot of doing that I think my pal from work he said here's his way because we all had
|
||||
access to old PCs at that time because because they would get chucked out of the student rooms
|
||||
and upgraded and all the old machines just be given away yeah yeah and so we all had one or two of
|
||||
these knocking around so I probably had a something like a Pentium 4 or those types of things
|
||||
said here's a disc just plug in and boot off and then you have Linux and I did that and then
|
||||
copied the disc content so I he'd done the config well the most of it and since they were standard
|
||||
standardized machines with standardized monitors across the across the range it was a fedancy
|
||||
was only like Ron when I upgraded it became I said oh no it's not as easy as I remember
|
||||
yes get me an easy time to Simon who do yeah yeah so yeah I think I've actually run
|
||||
Linux actually was able to time with it wasn't you if you've done it from what was it called
|
||||
oh when he's tiny small distributions I was able to run I was actually able to run it at work
|
||||
but I was able to do small re-bash testing you know it wasn't actually for work you know my
|
||||
yeah but I mean yeah it seems to look down you can't do that sort of thing so yeah yeah yeah we
|
||||
had a lot of Unix workstations due to some weird decision that'd been made by somebody senior
|
||||
in the university so we had a lot of altrix workstations which we had to manage and so we were using
|
||||
that version of Unix quite didn't have bash I think it was too early for bash we had
|
||||
sh and sh and tcsh and then just a fair bit of scripting got done there because we were managing
|
||||
these things and you often need to write a fair bit of tweaking at this sort of scripting level
|
||||
so that sort of thing. There's not a bash terminal you can get from within a browser there's
|
||||
not you can log into something that you just use em what's it it's emulating our what's it
|
||||
use it uses flash yeah yeah can actually java that's it java that's it yeah javascript bash
|
||||
terminal site which is quite interesting yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah you can get quite a lot in
|
||||
yeah yeah yeah and and and well there's of course there's online Python which you can that's
|
||||
great fun as well because in fact that's you know for for my project there's that box thing
|
||||
that I've talked about you know for control in my Raspberry Pi upstairs the I could I would sometimes
|
||||
I'm a free bit free time or em work there's a there's a online Python that can be you can you
|
||||
can obviously you can get account for them but you can try things out and you can't save it sort
|
||||
of thing so it's surprising how featured replica it's called replica or something like that it's
|
||||
online Python thing and so you can you can run the code and and tie be snippets and whatnot which is
|
||||
good to tie it up here it's crazy yeah yeah it's quite powerful actually yeah okay I'll check that
|
||||
I was saying to you as we would before we started recording I really trying to convince myself to
|
||||
get into to Python though I have a stronger version to some aspects of it could it be tab
|
||||
it's it's the damn indense really yeah of course we've discussed it all this I think
|
||||
about the Python you almost have to use the exact same editor all the time you never change
|
||||
because you know if you have a different number of species of different number of tabs you can
|
||||
get it can easily pull down because yeah so I was I was telling Dave I use a strange editor I don't
|
||||
think that many people use it but it's MC edit it comes with midnight commander and it's just
|
||||
because it was handy and convenient and the only thing that was rubbish about it was the terrible
|
||||
color scheme was like blue on something like blue and something like that yeah to read you know
|
||||
that is meant to be the most visible I remember when windows were pushing that as a big thing
|
||||
was I edit it was called I think it was a kind of dust yeah I think it probably was a dust thing
|
||||
yeah yeah and they also also within things like word that they were encouraging you to go for a
|
||||
white on what perfect was that all that color yeah I've never got on too well with that and to say
|
||||
but yeah there must be some ergonomics behind it somewhere I don't know but yeah but you can change
|
||||
a class scheme and it's here it's it's it's it's funny actually I was trying another editor
|
||||
just recently I work a while back somebody had recommended notepad++ and then I thought of course
|
||||
there's nothing like that on Linux and then I heard somebody talking about I think about HPR
|
||||
I'm talking about notepad QQ which I play on notepad++ so I installed it just the other day and
|
||||
it's it's quite nice it's I still got all the features of a noepad++ but again yeah and it could
|
||||
maybe it's a way to install the room too but when you highlight it you know highlighting stuff
|
||||
it's dreadful the colors are awfully catchy what's behind the glass awful you know yeah it's
|
||||
nothing worse so it's funny some of the I'm not some of the Ubuntu stuff with the newer Ubuntu
|
||||
GUI I don't necessarily get on with it the file manager is is so basic you know it seems to be
|
||||
that you know for example I've actually got a frustration installed Nemo that was that that was
|
||||
the old Nautilus type file manager which doesn't work there's niggles with it sometimes and sometimes
|
||||
it can do thing I don't know that crashes are some so I'm not totally trusting it so if it's
|
||||
simple stuff I use a standard Ubuntu file manager but often I've got to drop to this Nemo
|
||||
one because off for example you can't do left and right split pains you know right right now tabs
|
||||
are fine for for simple this to that but if you're taking from this to that and something else to
|
||||
that and something else to that then you're all over the place was with the two pounds you've got
|
||||
the destination staying there you go to your source multiple sources I couldn't live without that
|
||||
I use Dolphid the the KDE yeah it's it's it's so nice that you can split the screen and
|
||||
and move things about and you get a multiple tabs each of which you split yeah you can do all
|
||||
that with not Nemo that's a Ubuntu file manager I couldn't see I could be wrong but I couldn't
|
||||
see how to it doesn't show you I've got a Windows partition it doesn't see it so I can't mount it
|
||||
I've got to go to this Nemo thing oh there it is here I can now click on it and and the other thing
|
||||
is if you're scrolling through the window the way that the window is displayed you lose the last line
|
||||
so and it test with the last file at the very bottom what date stamp is that what size is it
|
||||
I can't see it that's off screen yeah there's so many things like that you know you're a tape yeah
|
||||
the the dolphin thing is just seems to get better in better it does things like highlighting
|
||||
files and directories that are under the control of Git and I think it shows some sort of status
|
||||
information in there too and things like a side panel which in which you can have directories
|
||||
that you often go to you just click on them and go there but also in there there's a list of
|
||||
remote systems like a lot of my Pfizer on so you click on that and it SSH just do it and you get
|
||||
a panel that shows the contents of the of the very good without that life would be absolutely
|
||||
abysmal the Nemo family gives you a wee you get a wee orange line underneath it which gives you
|
||||
a glance all that's half full if you watch full so that's quite a lot of nice wee touches in
|
||||
in in Nemo but I say it's slightly flaky under I've been to so I don't totally totally trust it
|
||||
it's all but it's often it's been my experience throughout using computers in the past sort of
|
||||
thirty years ago yeah anyway um it's that that people come up with brilliant ideas and then a
|
||||
sea change and water they throw all these ideas away yeah a bunch of crappy ideas I
|
||||
say and in fact the another thing with the the the issues trying to get my my audio working
|
||||
properly with acidity and and I just discovered just the other day that when I pushed the I think
|
||||
it was a speaker icon they've now included which I think I had before or it was quite awkward to
|
||||
get it wasn't too bad to get to but it was it was but they made it even more difficult to get to
|
||||
the mic mic gain on on the letter of into his bum fuck of what was he been cleaning about that
|
||||
because just by magic I've actually got it's appeared from nowhere I've got two
|
||||
sliders I've got a volume and a mic gain just my single click on the stage so that's really nice
|
||||
so that that that was very handy I thought oh where did that come from Mr Pute from nowhere
|
||||
so I don't actually record in audacity I used to I used to get problems with it though
|
||||
I must give that another shot I record all my podcasts on my zoom uh which is which is what
|
||||
we're recording and then I a download off the SD card and then put it on or desk
|
||||
while I was using the others Mr time but I've got a microphone which I couldn't go straight
|
||||
to audacity with so maybe give that a shot actually now you say that I've to before I use
|
||||
a chorus hit we're not cut gamers headphones with a boom mic and I find it it keeps the microphones
|
||||
same position and I work cheap scabby things and I don't want to do it but the problem I have
|
||||
I've mentioned before again is everything's too big the fault my face it's like
|
||||
pretty neat was like and I titled it I just it's way too big yeah you think I'd be more adjustable
|
||||
yeah actually because it's so big the cups curl round so they're almost like under my chin you know
|
||||
so I've got to have one year one year on and other one off to the side and that's just quite
|
||||
keen meaning because it means I can hear things moving on in the room or whatever yeah that had
|
||||
some advantage in there yeah but it was it they were cheap and they seemed to like create
|
||||
it came to work quite well so I had a good a good tip cheap solution if somebody's looking for
|
||||
a wee recording and everyone's got well maybe not never these ones because everyone's got a computer
|
||||
watch for just a phone and that was they so yeah yeah yeah I've got a Samsung microphone on a
|
||||
boom which is mounted over my desk so that's that's what I used to record the community news and
|
||||
that's all so and it's really so good it's a usb mic but but it's service it's really good quality
|
||||
wise I should really record more now though this this one is pretty good yeah yeah and it has
|
||||
a tunic right you can pick up sound from where you want it to or you tell me it's got huge I
|
||||
mean having to make a phone just like I've got five microphones in it my god fire number right
|
||||
and a good level of all different kids and modes but definitely yeah yeah you can switch it into
|
||||
different different configurations you can record meetings or just have a sort of chat with
|
||||
with somebody and record just that I think there's a whole a whole deep topic that you can dive into
|
||||
just with microphones and I mean different configurations and I'm sure I bet they're coming
|
||||
on mine they're coming on mine yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it took me while I find out how to
|
||||
do something I was trying to listen back to what we recorded last time on it which you can do but
|
||||
it's not obvious at all yeah we were sort of struggling in there yeah after we'd recorded did
|
||||
that all work and yes it's just there's a lot of a lot of hidden features in there and it's good
|
||||
okay so shall we yeah I think that's probably shall we call it we're coming up to 40
|
||||
oh it'll be less once we've trimmed but yeah and I've also hopefully I didn't ramble at a
|
||||
massively high speed like I did last time I'm consciously trying to speak nice and slowly
|
||||
people actually we find it's my cool Scottish accent yeah it's good that's fun it's fun to do
|
||||
it's fun to do it we really say we I was the same time we've met and and and chat it and it sounds
|
||||
like there's about an an infinitive something that we can get into yeah yeah yeah yeah it's
|
||||
yeah it's it's got to be filled with scrambled egg and toast yeah yeah we had late breakfast
|
||||
yeah yeah that's all right yeah long long long long chat absolutely absolutely and we must come back
|
||||
here actually because this is a nice but yeah I like it's a it's a pub isn't it yeah but yeah
|
||||
and it's but it's also a little restaurant the the bag yeah think isn't it yeah did it have
|
||||
did they have a room since I'm not quite sure I'm sure no we know I'm not sure I'm not sure
|
||||
I'm not sure I find it but it because it's dog friendly so yeah I thought it was like a companion
|
||||
so it's kind of yeah yeah well that's we're quite close to a sort of walking area yeah because
|
||||
that's hill and ski ski slope it's just above us and yeah there's a lot of people just take the
|
||||
trail up there you can do and walk along you know all that yeah I'm just saying all of us for
|
||||
some reason I mean I don't come here that often but I was I've heard this this weekend last
|
||||
weekend there was a radio meeting I read the radio meetup and then actually it was a weekend before
|
||||
we went I came in here to take take was the me and me and Mrs X and and a furry companion and
|
||||
after the meal I've eaten too much but maybe go for we walk sort of thing and there's a wee
|
||||
footpath as you say takes up the car but yeah and we're walking up all our way so it's
|
||||
you know it's quite dark and of course it's said then we use a footpath I'm going to look
|
||||
about muckier we'll know you use a footpath so we would look so we can see the oncoming traffic
|
||||
because we're walking the right hand side so you can see the oncoming traffic so that's
|
||||
what we think because I would say people walking the right hand side if you're driving left of course
|
||||
in the UK and I love talking too quickly and so we've got to the top and we're walking back down
|
||||
and then we've got halfway down and we heard this kind of noise and what the heck's going on
|
||||
and so we're sort of turned down and we could see these kind of it's like a whole cluster of
|
||||
illuminations that were kind of bobbing up and down and we asked that and we couldn't
|
||||
because it's pitch dark it couldn't work it what it was and then the dogs look and ask
|
||||
I'm really looking at it and looking at what the hell's going on here you know and they're getting
|
||||
closer and closer and closer and it turned out it was people who'd been jogging up at the side of
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hell end and the audio I was hello here hello they just see a of light on on the forehead
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they were the bastards yeah yeah yeah this is this is quite an area for exercising stuff
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but that was everything a lot of them were the obviously jogged up the top of this hill back down
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again and some of them were jogging home with you you know the others were getting on bikes and
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wow I've had the really seriously fat you've never been there no we've got to go to walk
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out the hell on my feet I have my kids both done skiing lessons here and when they had their
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lessons I used to hang hang about and I would walk up the the side of the ski slope and round
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the top back down the other side and that sort of thing and that's quite a steep hill actually
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so you need some good boots on there to be able to do it well it's a good place for a ski
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ski slope stuff you don't do that on an icy day though because you'll be on your back side sliding
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sliding fast yeah it's one of the nicest hills around this area and then there's all
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pentlands on the way anyway enough of that enough of that what we're at now we're very much
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five to six minutes yet yeah well it was silence the truncation health food of course
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