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+Episode: 3121
+Title: HPR3121: Opposing Views on Tattoos
+Source: https://hub.hackerpublicradio.org/ccdn.php?filename=/eps/hpr3121/hpr3121.mp3
+Transcribed: 2025-10-24 17:16:19
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+This is Hacker Public Radio Episode 3,121 for Monday 20 July 2020. Today's show is entitled
+Opposing Views on Toos. It is hosted by Windigo and is about 31 minutes long
+and carries an explicit flag. The summary is
+Windigo and Mrs. Hunter Hume discuss their views on Toos.
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+Music
+Hello. This is Windigo.
+And Mrs. Hunter Hume.
+And we are going to talk a little bit about Toos this evening or whatever time it is wherever you are.
+So first a little bit of exposition. Mrs. Hunter Hume is my Mrs.
+So we've been together for 15 years.
+It will be 16 in November.
+Which is ridiculous.
+Correct.
+But it gives us a lot to talk about like the subject of Toos for instance because we are very similar in many ways.
+And we are absolute polar opposites in many ways.
+And Toos is one of the opposing issues for sure.
+So you can start with your position on tattoos if you'd like.
+Yeah.
+My position on tattoos is that they are a form of art.
+A little background. I'm an art teacher and an artist.
+And I believe that they're an outward expression of your creativity.
+They're permanent art that you can walk around and put on display for others or if they're under your clothes, then they are private for you.
+And they're there forever.
+And I'm not fond of them. I don't like them.
+I don't care if other people have them, but it's not for me. They're just not my favorite.
+I don't like the idea of the permanence. I don't like the idea of injecting things into my body.
+I don't know. It's just not my jam for sure.
+Is it because you think the ink is foreign?
+The ink is foreign, but that's I don't think that's 100% it.
+I think part of it is that it you can't really have a tattoo without saying something.
+Like if it's under your clothing, I suppose it's private to you, but still there's it's a permanent message that you will always see.
+And I personally, I'm not I don't think I have a strong enough like self identity to permanently make that decision because like this, you know,
+I've made lots of changes in my life.
+And I've if I look back on myself five years or 10 years ago, I'm in an extremely different place.
+I mean, an extremely different person. You have a daughter surprised there.
+That was not something I saw coming.
+So I feel like, you know, if I got a tattoo when I was 20, it would be a barcode or binary or
+something like a HTML joke.
+I think binary you've been very cool.
+Because that's universal.
+What do you mean it's universal?
+Like anyone who sees the binary on your skin, you have an immediate connection to you and under it and understanding.
+Plus it'd be meaningful to you. It's not like binary is going away.
+No, that's true. It well, I don't know how quantum computing takes off.
+But and that might be part of it too.
+I don't want people to be able to make that jump jump.
+I want to air of mystery or something like for the audience, this honey human is making a extremely skeptical face.
+I get of you with an air of mystery after you've been together for so long is the little honey.
+I know that.
+What if it's in a place that's only for me?
+You don't know who's seeing my blood.
+So we should, I think we skipped over a part.
+But you are enthusiastic about tattoos or like tattoos, I suppose.
+What's your like elevator pitch statement on tattoos?
+I would say I'm enthusiastic.
+I would say wait on an idea and sit with it for a long period of time before deciding to get it permanently tattooed on your body.
+If I had gotten tattooed when I was 18, I would have giant angel wings down my back.
+There's anything wrong with that.
+But I waited until I was 26 to get my first tattoo.
+That's what I was getting at. You have tattoos. You've thought them out.
+And they're, you should describe your tattoo so that we know what we're talking about.
+So my first tattoo, like I said, I'm not 26, I got it.
+I have reverse pigmentation, so white spots on my skin.
+And I got a tattooed on one of the white spots.
+And it's in the shape of a snowflake six sided snowflake.
+This is on your shoulder.
+Yes, on my shoulder.
+On one of those white spots.
+I had a necklace that I used to wear all the time that had the snowflake on it.
+I wore it as a symbol of just being unique and one of a kind.
+But also we're from a very snowy cold area.
+So kind of represented home as well.
+So I put that on my shoulder in that spot is also kind of a remembrance to embrace the parts of you that are unique and make you an individual.
+And not to be hiding or ashamed of them, just kind of honor that.
+It also kind of represents home to me as well.
+Then when I was 28, I got equal lateral triangles on both of my wrists.
+They are three fingers down from the direct wrist at the pressure point for motion sickness.
+And the equal lateral triangles change meaning depending on the direction you see them.
+So upright they represent power and male and mountains and fire and all those very strong elements stability things along those lines inverted.
+It means the opposite means water and female and cave and instability.
+So depending on how I show you the tattoos changes the meaning of what they mean.
+They also are directly the same size as the other tattoo.
+So if you had put the two triangles on top of each other, kind of like a star of David, they match with the third tattoo.
+That's right, because there's triangles present in the snowflake.
+Correct. There are three triangles present in the snowflake.
+And then I now have three tattoos.
+In case you can't figure it out, three is my favorite number.
+And there's an asymmetry to it as well, but also a symmetry.
+I'm really into geometry and how beautiful it is and the symbolism behind it.
+Cool.
+So I don't know a lot about the cultural tattoo representations.
+I feel like it's definitely present in most of the countries I've heard of.
+They're definitely taken different ways, depending on the country.
+But we've got an international audience at HPR.
+We need to explain what a tattoo is.
+We just jumped the shark.
+We assume that everyone knew what a tattoo is.
+So it is ink that is pushed into your skin just below the dermis level.
+So that it's in there permanently.
+It's not going to wash off or, you know, come off as your skin.
+Renews.
+And it's a painful process.
+Kind of.
+I thought it was going to be way more painful than it actually was.
+So it becomes kind of a right of passage as well.
+So when you see someone else with a tattoo, there's an underlying understanding of,
+I know what you went through to get that.
+So that's kind of interesting.
+Did I miss anything?
+There's different like kinds of abstract symbols.
+There's pictures that you people do portraits of deceased loved ones.
+Yeah.
+There's lots of different cultural significance to tattoos.
+They can identify your tribe.
+Yeah.
+And there's also different kinds of physical tattooing.
+There's a stick in poke, which you have the ink separate.
+And you use it like a needle.
+Heated a needle and you stick and do it that way.
+That's usually associated with prison tattoos.
+Or done at home.
+Then you have in I think a lot of Asian cultures.
+They use a needle on a stick.
+And then they hit it.
+And it hits and goes into the skin over and over and over again.
+But here in the type that I have, you have a tattoo gun.
+But we are no means by experts on tattoos.
+I'm sure that some of the audience is probably.
+These are all just our personal experiences.
+Correct.
+Probably like that's not what it's called.
+Sorry folks.
+So yeah, it was a needle.
+Attached to a machine that had electricity.
+So it stabbed it over and over and over and over and over again.
+There's also color inks as well.
+And usually when they do color, there's multiple needles.
+So they can use like almost like brush strokes.
+My tattoos are just black ink line tattoos.
+That's what I wanted.
+That's the style that I like.
+I was always kind of afraid that the color would fade.
+But with just straight lines and black ink, I thought it was going to be timeless.
+And there's also different types of ink.
+Not only color, but you can get like glow in the dark tattoos.
+You can get glow in the dark.
+You can get also white because not everyone's skin tone is pale.
+You know, you had a dark skin tone.
+You could get a white ink tattoo.
+Yeah, two of us speaking are of the pale variety.
+Yes, we are.
+And they even have ones now that can help people with diabetes detect when their sugar levels are low.
+So that's actually a very functional tattoo.
+Yeah, it's interesting because I'm not like, I don't think I'm super opposed to the pain aspect.
+I don't think it'd be great, but I give blood.
+I'm not afraid of needles.
+That doesn't bother me in the least.
+The ink bothers me a little bit.
+What does a soy basting?
+Can you do that?
+Like, I know that you can print soy basting on paper.
+You can get tattoos.
+I'm just throwing it out there as a possibility.
+If it was a plant basting, would you be more open to getting a tattoo?
+No, I don't think so.
+And that's, I can think of ways around like the reason I brought up glow in the dark tattoos
+because it's completely invisible unless it's dark out.
+So there's so many different ways to conceal a tattoo and make it.
+Make it less obvious.
+But I don't, I can't think of any combination of tattoo properties that would make me want one.
+But even if you got a glow in the dark one, you'd still have almost a raised skin.
+And it might be like slightly scarred looking.
+Oh, I don't know that.
+It wouldn't be like, it wouldn't look just as it, you could tell that there was something.
+It wouldn't be decodering invisible ink style.
+Not yet.
+I'm not saying it's not a bow or abilities yet, but not currently.
+Yeah.
+No, I can't think of anything because I, whatever I think about tattoos,
+I think that I would either a have a stupid idea or be want something functional.
+And I can't think of anything super functional that I want tattooed on my body.
+Not even wedding rings.
+No, absolutely not wedding rings.
+Why?
+Because I like normal rings and.
+You could lose a normal ring.
+I can lose a normal ring.
+He's laughing because he's already lost a normal ring.
+That's lost like one ring in our 15 on to 16 years together.
+And if you got kidnapped and they stole all your jewelry.
+One thing they could identify you with is if you had a tattoo of a wedding ring.
+Okay.
+I don't think that kind of contingency contingency plan is something I'm going to factor into my tattoo decision.
+It's if if I got kidnapped and they needed to identify me.
+What if the kidnappers chopped off my finger so that I couldn't be identified?
+Okay.
+They can identify dental records.
+Why don't you want a permanent declaration of your commitment to primary?
+I think it's because I'm a jerk.
+And I don't feel like I need it's.
+It's like the flag from a conquering force.
+It's not that you're like conquering me or anything like that.
+But it's like that is the final symbol the cherry on top.
+It's like we already did all the conquering.
+I'm not concerned about the symbol.
+We've been together for 15, 16 years.
+Okay.
+What if I passed away and in my will.
+You're going to do something like this too.
+I made it a request request.
+That you got my hand print tattooed on your heart or my thumb print on the skin above my skin above your heart.
+Oh, I don't know.
+So that's.
+I would give it continual remembrance of me and our love.
+And once again, it's like.
+Do you think I'm going to forget?
+Yeah, you forget everything.
+I don't think I'm going to forget you if you pass away.
+So.
+Yeah, I feel like it's the symbol isn't as important as the fact that we have the love that we share and that we're devoted to each other.
+And I don't know.
+I would.
+I feel like that would be the most serious.
+I consider getting a tattoo.
+There's also a part of me that is an atheist.
+Things she'll never know.
+Haunt you.
+Yeah, you'll get chest pains at night.
+Just her.
+Yeah, it's me grabbing you from beyond the groove.
+It's trying to touch your hand print and you can't find it so you press harder and harder.
+That's great.
+I mean, you can get one around here.
+Around my neck.
+Yeah, even better.
+So maybe my first tattoo will be a protective ward against the spirit of my lost love.
+Do you think if your cultural roots had more of a connection?
+Like if you were born in a Maori tribe.
+Do you think you'd be more open?
+Because it would connect you more to your roots, your tribe, if you want.
+Probably because there's, there's got to be some like subconscious part of me that things tattoo equals like that guy's on TV or something like that.
+Even though that is never held true in any of my life experience.
+Like I've known bad people who've had tattoos.
+The majority of people I know who have tattoos are good people.
+The majority of bad people that I know that have tattoos is because they're more on not because they're a bad person.
+Like they just got an impulse of tattoo and more thinking about it.
+I think that's it.
+Maybe you've seen so many regrets, if you will, that that's become a fear now instead of a celebration of great tattoos.
+Yeah, so I think my first exposures to tattoos was my cousin Nick is a very, very colorful character.
+He works at Renaissance Fair and his tattoos, he has like an evil clown on his arm and he has the words beer and porn tattooed on his knuckles.
+And I love Nick, but he was never somebody to base your life around.
+He was an a role model.
+Well, none of your parents have tattoos.
+That I know of none of my parents do either, but both my sister and I have multiple.
+Yeah, and I'm kind of more old-fashioned in a lot of ways.
+Your brother has tattoos.
+Gaiman?
+Yeah, and he didn't tell anybody, but I don't think that would like I'm not afraid of what people would think necessarily.
+I don't think maybe I am.
+I don't know.
+I just, this is one of those areas that I don't know if we are ever going to come to a compromise on because I don't understand your resistance.
+And you do not understand my acceptance.
+Oh, so here's another thing.
+I think this is going to be a good conversation for a long time.
+Also because you want us to get these tattoos.
+You want the wedding ring tattoos because you just a single line around the ring finger.
+Yeah, which I will concede is not a crazy request.
+It can even be underneath your ring.
+And then if you ever lose your ring or misplace it, it's still there.
+It's also still there as a reminder.
+Yeah, so another another thing is I think it's a very personal decision for me.
+And I feel like it's something I should be 100% opt in for.
+Like I shouldn't want to get it.
+I shouldn't get it because you would want me to have one if that makes any sense.
+Yeah, like if I'm going to get a tattoo, it's my body.
+It should be for it should be my decision and.
+You shouldn't do it for me.
+I guess, yeah, yeah.
+And you should be my own impetus.
+My tattoos are not for anyone else but me for sure.
+It's funny because I'm a teacher and the ones on my wrist are very visible.
+And it ends up having starting conversations with my students.
+Yeah, because I'm an art teacher, it's not really a surprise.
+Yeah.
+Also, it's a Neapolateral Triangle, which is like the art science math side of me.
+But when I first got them done, there was a kid who told me I was in the Illuminati.
+And that I was going to help because I had tattoos.
+And that was a fourth grade kid that said that to me.
+Yeah.
+So while it is a very personal thing for me, these are my tattoos.
+And that's there for me.
+There is other people seeing them.
+Yeah.
+How did a fourth grader know what the Illuminati was?
+I don't know.
+It was like that.
+2010s.
+He's got a questionable set of influences going on.
+It actually has become kind of a running joke in the school where I was currently teaching,
+where students asked me what they meant.
+I told them if on the day their homework was due every single person turned in their homework on time.
+Their homeworks were sketchbook assignments.
+Then I would tell the class, that class, what the meaning of my tattoos.
+And for three years that I was teaching there, middle school, it never happened.
+So kids would come up to me and be like, you got to tell me, you know, what they're running the tattoos about.
+And I said, when your class does all the homework on the day that it's due, I will tell you a class.
+And it still has not happened.
+It keeps screwing us up.
+They're not doing his homework.
+It became, I didn't mean for it to become a thing.
+I just thought it would be a funny way to like connect with my students and then it ended up being several years of not being known.
+I still have former students who I socialize with who don't know.
+And they can look it up themselves because it makes them do research into, you know, sacred geometry and things like that.
+And then they come back and they're like, doesn't mean this.
+Doesn't mean that.
+And I'm like, I don't know.
+Does it?
+So, you know, another teachable moment.
+But it does become a conversation, you know.
+And I always tell my students, you need to wait.
+Do not get the tattoo right now.
+I don't care if you're 18.
+You need to sit with this idea for several years.
+You're going to shift.
+You're going to change.
+Your body's going to change.
+Yeah.
+So, don't ever get in a place where things are going to stretch.
+You know, I love my sister.
+But some of her tattoo decisions have been questionable in my eyes.
+Yeah.
+So, another aspect of tattoo is that some people take them very seriously.
+And some people have absolutely no value place.
+Well, I'm sure they have value on them.
+But it's not a serious affair.
+Like, I have my brother, Jayman's friend Dustin.
+He has several tattoos.
+He has a tattoo of the Tiananmen square scene,
+a man standing from the tanks.
+He also has a bunch of dragon balls and characters,
+which is that kid in a nutshell.
+He's got very good values.
+It does not take things very seriously.
+And his logic behind the tattoos.
+I guess he just have some.
+A lot of thought put into them.
+But his logic is when he's.
+Old and decrepit and, you know, stuck in a place he doesn't want to be.
+He can look down.
+And his stupid dragon balls.
+He tattoos will make him laugh.
+I think they're very personal.
+What people get them for a lot of them for remembrance.
+I think people get it to honor.
+I mean, that's why you see the stereotypical heart with mom.
+Yeah.
+I think.
+If.
+And possibly when I get another tattoo,
+it would probably be a piece of our daughter's art.
+Yeah.
+There's something about the innocence of children's scribbles.
+And to have that as a capture that moment for her and have that permanently in my body.
+I think it would be.
+Beautiful.
+Plus it would make her feel cool.
+Like I did that.
+Hopefully something that maybe not when she's in middle school.
+That's safe.
+Let's let's not even go there.
+Middle school.
+I'm not ready for me either.
+She's only two.
+Yeah.
+No, every time I think about what tattoo I would get, it's.
+It's a stupid tattoo.
+Or it's a tattoo that has no purpose.
+So I don't think I would get it in the first place.
+Just I can't think of anything.
+The only real idea I've ever heard is your wedding ring tattoo idea.
+And there's something that makes me very hesitant.
+That's obviously not like my commitment to you.
+Because we've got a daughter and we've been together 16 years.
+And I'm not going to be like.
+Well, we get 17 and getting cold feet.
+So I don't.
+I'm going to, you know, put on the record here.
+You don't have to worry about that.
+Okay.
+Just something about the tattoos rubs me the wrong way.
+I don't.
+I don't understand.
+And I don't think I can.
+And I don't think I will.
+And I have to be okay with that.
+Yeah.
+No, I don't think I understand.
+It's just kind of a good feeling.
+Something that's like, yeah.
+It just makes me hesitant about it.
+It's like in.
+You know, you've been with me long enough to know that I'm just weird about things sometimes.
+Yes, you are.
+You get these ideas.
+And you hold onto them so tight that nothing is going to sway you.
+And it's not like big ideas.
+They're like.
+Airport security.
+Okay.
+So I'm going to get the public support on the HPR for this one.
+What do you mean by airport security?
+That might be another episode.
+Oh, there's a man named Ken Fallon who's very happy with you right now.
+Okay.
+So I think I can't think of anything else that I that would be interesting to say about tattoos.
+Is there anything you want it to like end on?
+Conclusion or.
+I think they're beautiful.
+I think they're personal.
+And I'm proud of mine.
+Yeah.
+And I agree with every single one of those statements.
+I can see them.
+I just.
+Just not for me.
+Do you think I would be less me if I didn't have them?
+Like if you met me and I didn't have these tattoos.
+Would you like me less or love me less?
+No.
+No.
+No.
+No.
+And I.
+The more I think about it, I don't think you would be less you.
+Unless you got them removed.
+Because now that now that you've got them, they're a part of you.
+Yeah.
+And they're permanent.
+And it would be almost weird.
+Without them.
+Even though they're not like they're very small.
+They're only like a quarter size.
+Yeah, centimeter.
+The wrist tattoos and.
+Maybe an entry career.
+They're the same size.
+Oh, yeah.
+I had him trace this one to make these.
+So that they would match up.
+They're all the same.
+Cool.
+So yeah.
+And they're.
+They're very tiny.
+I don't know.
+We've been together for a long time and you've got these very early on in our relationship.
+Yeah.
+You've met when I was 21.
+22.
+22.
+Wait.
+No.
+Was it 21?
+Because.
+Yeah.
+It was.
+21 because.
+You're.
+We met right before my birthday.
+Like.
+And you'll weaker too.
+Yeah, not even.
+Yeah.
+Yeah.
+But this is neither here nor there.
+So.
+Imagine if I had been 18 and made my tattoo decision.
+And then you met me at 21.
+Ooh.
+Right.
+Well, what would you.
+They would have been full angel wings on my back.
+Just these.
+Oh, really?
+Wings down my back.
+Yeah.
+I thought it was going to be the coolest thing.
+I've always wanted to fly.
+And I thought that would be as close as I can kind of get.
+Now I'm glad I didn't.
+Yeah.
+I had no idea how I would have reacted to that.
+Would you think you would have been less attracted to me?
+I don't know.
+It would have been something that put me off initially.
+But you kind of have a way of like changing my perspective on things.
+So it might be maybe.
+Maybe I would have changed my perspective on tattoos as a whole knows.
+And when I got my tattoos and we were together, I didn't ask your permission.
+Oh, of course not.
+Well, I'm just clarifying.
+Not everyone knows us that.
+Yeah.
+I would.
+We were already in a relationship when I got my tattoos.
+And I knew that you didn't love them tattoos in general.
+Yeah.
+But that wasn't going to change whether or not.
+Not in my because like I said, they're mine.
+No, I don't think our relationship would work if you were like,
+I'm not going to get these because he doesn't like them.
+That's not me.
+No, I don't play that way.
+No, we have very strong personalities and we're pretty equal in things so that like.
+I want to think we're balanced.
+Yeah.
+No.
+That's why we're having this discussion.
+Correct.
+Because if it was any like if there was an imbalance, you wouldn't have tattoos or I would be getting one.
+Correct.
+So this is just one of many places where we have this.
+That's why I think we balanced each other in length now.
+Mm hmm.
+You know, I think it's good.
+I agree.
+It's good for HPR.
+We're getting some interesting podcast material.
+I hope.
+We'll see.
+I hope you guys find this interesting.
+Yeah.
+Feel free.
+Here's my shill moment.
+Feel free to record a response.
+If you find tattoos, detestable or fantastic or completely middle of the road.
+Or what?
+It's a repulsive.
+Repulsive.
+Yeah.
+Attractive.
+Mm hmm.
+That is.
+Just throw that out there.
+Yeah.
+Striking our safer work rating out right off the.
+Oh, sorry.
+No, it's okay.
+It's just a flag we can set.
+All right.
+So I think we're going to wrap this up.
+This has been Windigo and.
+This is honey him.
+And we'll catch you later.
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