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Episode: 3362
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Title: HPR3362: Spam Bot Honey Pot: Eating your own dog food
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Source: https://hub.hackerpublicradio.org/ccdn.php?filename=/eps/hpr3362/hpr3362.mp3
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Transcribed: 2025-10-24 21:56:39
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This is Hacker Public Radio Episode 3362-4 Tuesday, the 22nd of June 2021.
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Today's show is entitled, Spambot Honeypot, Eating Your Own Dog Food.
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It is hosted by Roen and is about 19 minutes long and carries a clean flag.
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The summary is reviewing some stats and the accessibility by screen reader of this spam filter method.
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Hello and welcome to another episode of Hacker Public Radio.
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Today I am revisiting my Spambot Honeypot, partially responding to, well, partially responding to
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RTSN's comment about how it did and any kind of stats.
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So I did look and from when I first implemented on our public site on
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February 16th of 2021, up until today, which is May 29th, 2021,
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I have 661 messages submitted from the form.
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Of those 527 were identified as Spam via the URL method and that left 134 being sent
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through of the 134 that were sent.
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38 are uncought spam and there were 96 valid messages.
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So overall, I think it's doing a pretty good job of getting rid of the worst of it.
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The 38 of the 96 is easier to deal with them and makes you less likely to just give up.
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I was actually thinking of just shutting down the form.
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I'm not sure how useful it is, but it does look like it is getting some valid use.
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Keep it going.
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Anyway, I also, as the title suggesting your own dog food, I know in my last show, I ask,
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if there were any HBR listeners who used speech-to-text, screen readers, speech-to-text,
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wrong direction, text-to-speech, the screen readers.
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If they could give feedback, but I thought I should actually just try it out myself.
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This will be typical usage from a visual user who does not very familiar with the screen
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reader technology. I'm on the latest version of POPOS, which is basically a, you know, based
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front-end. So I'll be using the default speech-to-text, text-to-speech.
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So let me see if I can get that turned on and get to my forms.
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So we can hear how they sound. If my method for hiding those extra fields works
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as I was hoping it would. So let's see. We'll find settings and where was it? Accessibility.
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To screen reader, turn it, turn screen reader on.
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Screen reader on, screen reader on.
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Okay, let's appears to be on. No. I need to get to my show and get to my site.
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Let's see if I can get it to...
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Well, now it's not.
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What browser am I? I'm using Firefox. I am in private mode.
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Oh, and I see if I turn on. I'm also got...
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Why is it not? Maybe I need to close down fire.
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Access your window.
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Rodex, I will make a cube of overview panel.
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Firebox, where's Rodex?
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Within a firebox, private route.
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Within a firebox, private route, in train.
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Search with dot dot dot dot.
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Okay, I get up early.
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Except I was in private and I didn't save my...
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You see if I can find my...
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Oh, what's wrong?
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Left over, back face, code.
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LTE, left over, select J, D, R, B, here, V, R, D, K, back face, K, I, E, I, O, T, O, R, E, F, A, H, O,
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Pre-H, R, R, T, Search with dot dot dot dot, go.
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Or enter, but left hand in the middle top of my face.
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The DPS, code, and slash, slash, dot dot.
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Capture public radio dot or slash,
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S, dot, B, here, V, here, V, here, V, here, V, here, V, here, V, here, V, here, V, here, V, here, V, here, V, here, V, here, V, here, V, here, V, here, V, here, V, here, V, here, V, here, V, here, V, here, V, here, V, here, V, here, V, here, V, here, V, here, V, here, V, here, V, here, V, here, V, here, V, here, V, here, V, here, V, here, V, here, V, here, V, here, V, here, V, here, V, here, V, here, V, here, V, here, V, here, V, here, V, here, V, here, V, here, V, here, V, here, V, here, V
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Here, V, here, V, here, V, here, V, I don't know.
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I don't know if I didn't wait long enough, I entered my name and I had to hit tab twice
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to get to the submit query, but it didn't say submit query.
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I don't know if it was just too slow, so then I hit it and then that's when you heard it reload
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and it does show.
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So that works and it didn't give me the extra field that I noticed.
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Let me try this again and see if maybe...
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Oh, let's see if we can get something else.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Now that's what happens if you just enter the form, let me see if I can...
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So now I tab, it's not...
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For some reason, if you tab to the...
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Maybe this is just me not understanding how you use the...
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The voice mode.
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How do the entry form, like the field for putting your name, if I use the down arrow...
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No, that takes me...
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It's like it...
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Okay.
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I'm not sure...
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Getting to that submit query is kind of hard from the...
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I don't know.
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Anyway, I mean, it does appear to work.
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I'm not getting that other field, at least in Firefox.
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So let me jump over to Chrome.
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What?
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What happened?
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Chrome.
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So it moves.
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Okay.
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There we go.
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All right.
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So it's red the whole thing.
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Now I'm in the inner form to enter my name.
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Except the...
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Not...
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The only end shows up in the entry form in Chrome.
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I'm not...
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It's not showing my character.
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It's not showing my character.
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I didn't have to have it, I got to submit.
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For some reason, it didn't like ROAN or the ROA, but it left the N.
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So I'm not quite sure about that.
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I don't know if that's something I've done with the form.
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Or me just not understanding how to use a screen reader.
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I know there's navigation that gets associated with it.
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I'm not quite sure what's going on there.
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But the hidden URL field doesn't show up and I didn't, you know,
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it didn't sound like you didn't hear it as I was tabbing through.
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So that's good.
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So overall, it seems to be working with the screen reader.
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I think some of this is just me not really knowing what I'm doing with it.
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Okay, so I do want to see what it's like on my work site.
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So this is in Chromium.
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So I'm already there.
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There's a lot of completed mess in any of the questions.
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And finally, we may receive a response within 20 minutes.
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Okay.
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So that's it.
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Submit your questions below.
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Questions and finally, we may receive a response within 20 minutes.
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Or as for a distance, please call 1-800-Wish to be contacted by an icon within 20 minutes.
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It seems to go sentence by sentence.
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And it did put me into the first form for my name.
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So let me do that.
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Oh, a graphic top and leaving form.
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Okay, it doesn't.
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Okay, I can't type my name.
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Okay, so it does.
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I can't name my name.
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I don't know what's going on.
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I'm saying it's misspelled, but probably because I capitalized.
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All right, let me.
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One password menu available.
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Press the power key to connect.
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Okay, well, having doesn't do well.
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I must not have.
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It doesn't tell you what field you're in.
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What do they call the attribute that.
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But says in, you know, let's you say what the field is.
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But I don't have it labeled.
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So maybe this is not good for speech readers.
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At least if you have.
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I'm trying to.
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Like I said, I don't know.
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Maybe this is just.
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Me not understanding how to use.
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And how do I get out of the field?
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I don't know.
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So return takes me to the next one.
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And it tells me the name of it as an email entry.
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Okay.
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See that you know.
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Let's have.
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I don't know.
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Let's have to say subject.
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All right, well.
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I guess I got a little more work to do to actually make this accessible.
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But let's.
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The purpose of today's webinar.
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I don't even know where I am anymore.
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For today's podcast.
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There we go.
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I'm just going to see if that didn't form field.
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This is actually it.
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And I guess I'm going to have to maybe revisit this again when I figured out.
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How to actually make this accessible.
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Or at least more accessible.
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The.
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I just.
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Sometimes it works.
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I don't get it.
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I come.
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So weird.
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When I first tab to it, it won't say like what it is, like phone entry.
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But if I shift tab back to the previous field and shift tab forward to it, it does say it.
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So I really don't know what's going on.
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I guess I really need to look into this more.
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Sam.
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Sam.
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Sam.
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No.
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For.
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Next.
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I want to have some issues too.
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jutood num.
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For.
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For.
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Mac.
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I don't have bicycle behavior.
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There it is. For us, you suddenly, that was what I put down to let people know that you
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shouldn't be using this if you're using links, sort of like a standard, you know, when you're
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in a standard form and you're turning it in. But it doesn't seem to let you actually go
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to the input. So, I'm not sure. So, the system issues that you can't actually put in there.
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I'm going to go over to Firefox and see what we got there. This will come in.
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Let me just try it. No, I'll do it in private.
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Double-You-Go-Lens-3, Commodore.
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It works with us. Go for it.
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Table with Durant.
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So, that's all on this page. So, can we really run you at A-Sash Canada?
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One has 800 questions. And by leaving me with an email response, we did 24 visits.
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Please completely contact it by a high comment.
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Payment-3.
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It's a Roman name.
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Wow.
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Oops. What's that? Oh, wow. Yeah. So...
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Payment-3. How do you...
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I know that it's the message here, which is bad in both.
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Okay.
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Firefox seems to skip it.
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I mean, if I use the tab key, this is problem.
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It's not going to get to send.
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If you use the update, that takes me back in the down.
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It takes me directly to send.
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So there's still room for improvement.
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Obviously, there's a lot to know, but it does seem generally speaking.
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At least the concept is solid for screen readers.
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I obviously need to learn more about how they work.
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And I guess, obviously, probably test this in windows on a windows screen reader also.
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But at least I guess it's a step in the right direction.
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Wasn't quite as simple as I was hoping.
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But I guess there's always room for improvement.
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All right.
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Thank you for listening.
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