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Episode: 3571
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Title: HPR3571: The Meatball Mystery
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Source: https://hub.hackerpublicradio.org/ccdn.php?filename=/eps/hpr3571/hpr3571.mp3
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Transcribed: 2025-10-25 01:34:38
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This is Hacker Public Radio Episode 3,571 from Monday the 11th of April 2022.
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Today's show is entitled The Meatball Mystery.
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It is hosted by Windigo and is about nine minutes long.
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It carries an explicit flag.
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The summary is, a naming oddity leads to questions about genealogy and American history.
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Hello Hacker Public Radio, this is Windigo and HPR is, as it often is, low on shows.
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So while you think about the episode that you're going to record to fill up the queue, I can
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tell you a story about Spaghetti and Meatballs.
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One thing I've discovered about being a parent gives you opportunities to reassess your preconceptions.
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Quite a bit actually.
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While explaining past names, I had one of these revelations.
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I was going through the different varieties of pasta available with my daughter Spaghetti,
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Linguini, Vermicelli, Ziti, Farfale, Lasagna, Penne.
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I kept going with various Italian foods explaining that they had Italian names because they came
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from Italy, like Stromboli, Calzone, Pizza, Marinera, Bones, Meatballs, Meatballs.
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Wait a second, I realize I had no explanation to why we have dozens of Italian foods with
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various Italian-sounding names, but Meatballs, Meatballs, where did that come from?
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So a little background.
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My mother's family, the Orcini's, immigrated from Italy a few generations ago.
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My cousin has done some genealogy work, so I did a quick search for some distant ancestors
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in the Ellis Island databases.
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Ellis Island is home of the Statue of Liberty, and what's the gateway for many immigrants
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that populated my area of America.
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I came from Northern New York, and a lot of us can trace our ancestors right back to New
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York City.
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So in my research, I think I found a record of my ancestor who arrived here in 1897 to
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Teresa DiPillo.
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The ship she rode over on was scrapped the same year, which does give me a little bit of
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perspective about why my mother's vehicles always end up in the condition that they are
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in.
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Apparently, our family has a tradition of riding their transport straight into the ground.
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But anyways, one of the things we have passed down through our family is our Meatball
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Recipe.
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My grandmother was famous for the meatballs she made.
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My grandmother learned how to make meatballs from my great-grandmother Josephine, who started
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out as a neurone before she married into the Orcini family, and great-grandmother Josephine
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was taught by my great-great-grandmother Teresa, who married into the neurone family.
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And I've learned to make them myself.
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It would be simpler to try and get my encryption keys out of me than to get me to give up the
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recipe for Orcini family meatballs.
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But Meatballs?
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Just doesn't sound like a classic Naples dish, does it?
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Maybe the Italian word for meatballs was too complicated to be integrated into our American
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vernacular?
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Well, it turns out there are meatballs in Italy.
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They're called Polpete.
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They're much smaller than the meatballs that I'm used to, and they are never served with
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marinara.
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They're served plain and can be made with many different types of meat.
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From turkey to fish, the combination of spaghetti and meatballs, however, is not a native Italian
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dish.
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In my experience, meatballs are always served with some form of sauce and longer pasta.
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So spaghetti being the gold standard, but it would not be unheard of to see meatballs
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with linguini or other thinner noodles, but meatballs aren't usually served with marinara.
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In fact, not only usually, but they should be cooked in it, or else your invitation to
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the family reunion gets revoked.
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So where did this traditional spaghetti and meatball combo come from that's been passed
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down through my family?
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It just so happens as I was able to find out that it came from America.
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Specifically, Italian immigrants.
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Apparently, one of the side effects of traveling to America was that your food budget was less
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and less of your total income.
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In Italy, you had to spend 75% of your income on food, but once my ancestors immigrated
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to America, food only took up 25% of their income.
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I'm not sure if Italy just had much higher food prices or the opportunities in America
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allowed Italian immigrants to make more money, but the result was that food was not nearly
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as much of your total income.
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And this wasn't just Italian immigrants either.
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This had the effect of transforming corn beef from an occasional luxury to a staple of
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Irish American diets.
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With this change in economics, the focus shifted from being able to find enough nutrition
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to survive to a full-blown bake-off, and striving to be the best cook of the neighborhood,
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the bullpete, which is usually small and made of half bread and half meat, became much larger,
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and the meat ratio increased.
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So that explains where meatballs have come from, but there's still a couple pieces to
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the puzzle we're missing.
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Where did the spaghetti and marinara come in?
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So it turns out marinara, as a sauce, has roots in naples.
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Marinara originated as marinara, and I'm pretty far from Italy at this point, so my pronunciation
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is probably terrible, but marinara means sailor sauce, because it is apparently easy and
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quick to make.
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So when the sailor's wives would see their husband's ship pulling, they had a chance
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to make sauce for dinner.
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It gained popularity among Italian American immigrants, not because it was quick and easy
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to make, although knowing my Italian American ancestors, that certainly did not hurt.
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But because tomatoes were available in the grocery store, you would get a can of tomatoes
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where a lot of other Italian ingredients probably weren't as available.
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So if you can get garlic and tomatoes in a lollavoyle, bam, you've got marinara.
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Spaghetti had a very similar reason for becoming part of the trio.
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Spaghetti was available in grocery stores.
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You probably didn't have the variety that we do now, but spaghetti is easy to manufacture,
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I would assume, because it's just a big old string of pasta.
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So it was available in the grocery stores that these Italian immigrants had access to.
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So that is the story of why spaghetti and meatballs is a dish.
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It's definitely labeled Italian food in our restaurants in America, but it is most certainly
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an Italian American dish in origin.
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Of course, spaghetti existed in the concept of a meatball had been well established.
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But the Italian American immigrant were the one that combined it.
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It's the Arnold Palmer of fine dining, I suppose.
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For those of you that haven't experienced an Arnold Palmer, it is a beverage made of
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iced tea and lemonade.
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And you know, now that I think about it, I don't know where that came from either.
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You'd have something to do with Arnold Palmer, anyhow.
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I discovered this fascinating information thanks to my daughter, bringing up questions,
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and Shalen Esposito, writing for a Smithsonian magazine.
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I will put a link to her excellent article in the show notes.
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Now, if there was ever any question whether or not you could record an HPR episode yourself,
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I would like to think that my spaghetti and meatballs episode put the bar just, just
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low enough to get everybody under.
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So please record an HPR episode and let's fill up that queue a little bit.
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You have been listening to Hacker Public Radio at Hacker Public Radio, does work.
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Today's show was contributed by a HPR listener like yourself, if you ever thought of recording
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a podcast, you click on our contribute link to find out how easy it really is.
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Hosting for HPR has been kindly provided by an honesthost.com, the Internet Archive
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and our sims.net.
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On the Sadois stages, today's show is released on our Creative Commons, Attribution 4.0 International
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License.
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