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Episode: 3583
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Title: HPR3583: takov751 and dnt talk about browsers
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Source: https://hub.hackerpublicradio.org/ccdn.php?filename=/eps/hpr3583/hpr3583.mp3
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Transcribed: 2025-10-25 01:45:23
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This is Hacker Public Radio Episode 3,583 from Wednesday the 27th of April 2022.
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Today's show is entitled, Take of End to Talk About Browsers.
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It is hosted by Dint and is about 8 minutes long.
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It carries an explicit flag.
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The summary is, after Episode 3,543, some messages were exchanged.
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Hello and welcome to Hacker Public Radio.
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This is your host, Dint.
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A few weeks ago, I posted an episode in which I complained about web browsers for a bit.
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In the past, listeners to go to a certain matrix channel and drop voice messages with
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what they thought about web browsers.
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If you use Element, there is a way to quickly record a voice message, much like in other
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messengers like Signal and WhatsApp, but some other matrix clients don't do this.
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Later, I would go in and download everything and make an HBR episode out of it.
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Only one person responded, although some lurkers joined the channel as well.
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I guess this means browsers aren't really something anyone feels much of a need to talk
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about.
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While I waited, another idea that occurred was that there could be a matrix channel with
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something like a monthly topic and then someone who knows how to do it.
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So not me would automate downloading all the voice messages people leave over the entire
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month and then make that into an episode of HBR.
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Maybe that would be interesting.
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And to announce the speaker, maybe a robot voice could be useful if we could agree on
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which one to use.
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Anyway, enough of this, let's listen to the talk of 751 and I talk about web browsers.
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Hello, I'm on talk of 751 speaking.
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My take on the boxes is I'm using five folks mainly, but I have at least five profiles
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for different use cases.
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I have a fortified secure solution for general usage.
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I have one for using GitHub, which is less secure because I mostly use it for GitHub and
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all the other websites which uses the wealth solution of GitHub.
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So basically I don't need to sign in with any other website, just have to sign in with
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GitHub.
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And I've got one more for banking and so on.
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But there are some websites which have a mandatory chrome moon based need, I would say.
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So there are websites which are not working if you're not using chrome.
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So I have at least two modes, chrome moon profiles as well.
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So I just basically added these as menu entries in my workspace.
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So whenever I need to use them and just pop up the menu and choose the right icon, go
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from there.
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So in my opinion, I do love Firefox and I used to use, for example, Midori for profsing
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on a Raspberry Pi because at the time the Raspberry had no proper hardware acceleration.
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So it was a midori, profs with disabled JavaScript and basically using a mobile user agent
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and that way it was kind of all right to serve the internet from there.
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But my take on profs are sadly that of course you need to use what you love and what you
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comfortable with.
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But at the end of the day, you might have to be at profiles and use different browsers
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for different use cases.
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Hey, talk of, thanks for your message.
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That's an interesting idea.
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I guess you could create desktop entries if you use desktop entries to open a browser
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in a certain profile for a specific task.
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I guess in a way, it's like you're challenging the idea that people should just use one browser,
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which I think, you know, I put the blame on browsers themselves because they're all begging
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us to, well, not all of them, but many of them are frequently asking us to set themselves
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as the default browser.
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And also, I guess, maybe the idea that we would have to use multiple browsers is a little
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bit annoying because the web is just so annoying that it just seems annoying to have multiple
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browsers to use it.
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Then as an example, it's kind of funny to me that a lot of sites don't work on cube
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browser, or they tell me that I'm using an unsupported browser or asked me to update
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my browser, all that nonsense.
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But then, for example, the website where I have to go to pay my water bill, it doesn't
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work on Firefox because of Firefox's security features, I guess.
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It just keeps giving me a warning about how the site is framed.
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And I'm just unable to log in, and no such thing on cube browser just works perfectly.
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So, in some way, it's not that Firefox is better supported in general, I guess, to some
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extent because of all the security features and stuff.
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Indeed.
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The other thing I noticed recently, that, for example, on the UK, what are from websites?
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The forms are designed to work on in Chromium-based browsers, and there are other government websites
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as well, which are designed to work on in Chromium-based browsers because some of the endpoint
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functions are only available in the browser.
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And the other annoying thing, for example, with the Apple devices, the iOS and iPad OS,
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that all the web browsers are based on Safari at the back.
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So, under the hood, any browser on iOS and iPad devices are basically Safari in a code.
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So nothing works, well, at least most websites which are near the Chromium-based, even if
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you installed the Chrome on iOS, it won't work because it's not a Chrome, which is really
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annoying.
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And the biggest issue is that every website now is trying to meet the standards of the
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Chromium-based web browsers, and when there are no functions in the other web browsers,
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web engines, then it just won't meet itself.
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So the bigger issue here is that the one who's creating the websites doesn't use the
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common standards, they use functions that only exist in a specific browser, which is the
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most outrageous things of all on the wide web.
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And these are not specifically the web developers fault, because what I realized at most of
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the time, it is the framework, the developer framework, which they're using, that's the
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issue, because those framework were designed to use those functions which are only exposed
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in Chrome or Chromium-based browsers.
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