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+Episode: 4318
+Title: HPR4318: What's up with the dates on the HPR future feed in AntennaPod?
+Source: https://hub.hackerpublicradio.org/ccdn.php?filename=/eps/hpr4318/hpr4318.mp3
+Transcribed: 2025-10-25 22:54:31
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+This is Hacker Public Radio episode 4,318 for Wednesday the 19th of February 2025.
+Today's show is entitled, What's Up with the Dates on the HBR Future Feed in Antenna
+Pod?
+It is hosted by D. N. T. and is about 7 minutes long.
+It carries a clean flag.
+The summary is, the HBR Future Feed doesn't show dates properly.
+What's up with that?
+You are listening to a show from the Reserve Q. We are airing it now because we had free
+slots that were not filled.
+This is a community project that needs listeners to contribute shows in order to survive.
+Please consider recording a show for Hacker Public Radio.
+Hello and welcome to another exciting episode of Hacker Public Radio.
+This is your host D. N. T.
+Now this one, I'm not convinced it was really a good episode of Hacker Public Radio,
+but Dave Morris on the Matrix channel said that it could be, but they say that all the
+time, you know, pretty much anything you say someone is going to say, oh, it should
+be an episode.
+But anyway, I will record it and you can tell me.
+So yeah, it was Antenna Pod, right?
+Antenna Pod is the podcast, the pod catcher, they say, for Android.
+That is open source and is very good and so when you subscribe to the Hacker Public Radio
+main feed, you have the dates of each episode, the date that the episode comes out.
+Even if you go and you subscribe today and you look at the past episodes or if you don't
+refresh your feed for several days, each episode will come in with the date and they're
+sorted by date and that's all good.
+When you subscribe to the future feed, that doesn't happen.
+For example, if I subscribe today to the future feed, I mean, if I refresh the future feed
+today, all the new episodes that are there that I hadn't seen before will show as if they
+had been released today, right?
+Which is not true.
+They may have been released actually a few days ago and also there is the publication
+date for each episode that is in the feed file that it's there.
+The antenna pod is apparently not showing it.
+I was kind of puzzled by this and I decided to try to figure out why.
+I took the XML file for each feed, for the future feed and the main feed and I just looked
+at it and compared them and I saw that there was absolutely no difference between them
+other than of course the name of the feed.
+I figured well, so it looks like it's when there is a date in the future, right?
+Maybe if there is one date, if there is one episode whose date is in the future, then
+antenna pod says, okay, this guy doesn't know what he's talking about.
+I'm just going to ignore his dates, right?
+I mean, we're just kind of weird because if that weren't the case, then you could just
+not show the future episodes, right?
+But then of course, then I guess people who run commercial podcasts would not like that
+because they wouldn't use that anyway because you would be leaking future episodes, right?
+Who cares about that?
+I don't know.
+Anyway, so I looked at the spec for the RSS for RSS feeds and yeah, it says their pub
+date is the property for each episode, is the date the episode is supposed to come out
+and then it kind of says something like podcast, the players, RSS readers should or can hide
+future episodes, right?
+Future or future items in the RSS feed, whatever, or you know, you could imagine there could
+be an option to hide or show future episodes, right?
+Instead antenna pod decides to just like if there's one episode whose date is in the future,
+we're just going to ignore all the dates in your feed.
+And apparently the reason they did that, there is a link that I'll put in the show notes
+is because people were using that to manipulate when, where their podcast episode appears
+to people.
+Not sure what that, how that would work because I would think generally your episode is going
+to be in the past, I mean, it's going to order by oldest first, right?
+So that would actually push your episode to the end of the list.
+If you had your episodes mixed in with other podcast episodes from other podcasts, anyway,
+I don't understand why that would have happened.
+And it's actually even, honestly, I would think it would be interesting to have let the
+episodes in the future show in the app, because then you could have like sort of like a
+pinned episode, right?
+You could kind of repurpose that to pin an episode to the top of your show list, right?
+When somebody, like say somebody subscribing to Hacker Public Radio, you would be able
+to control exactly what episode will appear at the top of the list to every new subscriber,
+right?
+By just setting a date far in the future.
+But anyway, that's not how it turned out.
+So the fact is that when there's a date in the future, then all dates will be ignored.
+And in a pod, we'll just treat the date as the date it received the episode from the
+feed.
+This whole thing came out because I was suggesting that we drop in the podcast feed.
+We have HPR and then the number of the episode.
+And I was suggesting we remove that to save a little bit of space and let the name of the
+episode appear first.
+And that was in the context of somebody else suggesting we add the name of the host to
+the episode title or the show notes, right?
+Because yeah, you may notice currently the host doesn't necessarily appear in your podcast
+app.
+You often have to open the website to see who hosted a given show.
+So anyway, that was that I hopefully this was a tolerable episode.
+Thank you for tuning in.
+Pick up a microphone and record your own show rambling on about whatever you saw or thought
+about and we'll listen to it.
+And come back tomorrow for another exciting episode of Hacker Public Radio.
+Bye.
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