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+Episode: 4470
+Title: HPR4470: HPR is twenty years old today. 
+Source: https://hub.hackerpublicradio.org/ccdn.php?filename=/eps/hpr4470/hpr4470.mp3
+Transcribed: 2025-10-26 01:01:13
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+This is Hacker Public Radio episode 4,470 for Friday the 19th of September 2025.
+Today's show is entitled, HBR is 20 years old today.
+It is hosted by Lee and is about 22 minutes long.
+It carries a clean flag.
+The summary is, a clip show looking back over 20 years focusing on the history of HBR.
+Hello, I'm Lee, today I'm looking back at the history of this community podcast.
+Today of Attacky started almost six out of 20 years ago.
+It derived from Radio Free Cameracle which had been running since 2002.
+After a few hundred episodes today of Attacky was rebranded Hacker Public Radio, which was
+announced in the first episode under this new title.
+Hello, everybody and welcome to Binary Revolution Radio episode number 201.
+I am staying up.
+It's not in my radio.
+Do you use it that well or 200?
+This isn't 201?
+No, no.
+What are we?
+Hacker Public Radio.
+What is Hacker Public Radio?
+Hacker Public Radio.
+I remember you and I were talking that way back in the day and we decided to do this topic
+radio thing and combine it and make Hacker Public Radio.
+Oh, yes.
+Now I remember.
+Actually, yes.
+We are doing episode one of Hacker Public Radio and the other voice you heard is that of our
+good friend, Enigma.
+Yes, yes.
+And we are going to do episode one and this is going to be an overview of exactly what
+is Hacker Public Radio.
+That was Stank Dawgan, Enigma, talking in HPR 0001 in December 2007.
+Hacker Public Radio became a place for community networking and also command line culture.
+You can see this in episode 0720, the interview between Delta Ray and Chleto.
+Hi, everyone.
+Hi, everyone.
+This is Katsu.
+I'm staying here at the Indiana one because I'm talking to Mark who is also known as Delta
+Ray in the IRC.
+And you do a lot of things.
+So first of all, say hi to everyone.
+Hi, everyone.
+Thank you.
+So the first thing that I really wanted to talk to you about was your command line talk that
+you gave.
+It's called command line magic or something like that.
+And when you tell me how that kind of got started or what that is.
+Well, command line magic is a Twitter and identical feed that I post little tips and tricks
+to do to try to encourage people to delve into the command line more than they usually do.
+I always tell them, and I've been built here this two for a long time where I tend to use
+the command line.
+I did from eating your LS and simple come here and you look at the man page, you're like,
+oh, there's all this dirt dust I could do, but I don't know what to do with it.
+And you always see people using spoilers and wilders.
+You think that it's dust in this complex and they're always using examples that are
+like food bar.
+Yeah.
+And you don't know how to apply it in daily life.
+So what I wanted to do was close to real things that I'm doing, like, that's a reminteration
+and tight-task.
+In episode HPR 0853, Pat Volkading is interviewed about Slackware Linux at yet another Linux
+event.
+So what about Slackware?
+Oh, yes, Slackware.
+How does that tie into this whole ritualistic burning of oververomas?
+Oh, well, I do usually keep that going on my desk.
+There you go, see.
+So there is a tie.
+And it's, and I guess part of how I ended up knowing about that, still, how the
+instance is made and what not.
+If something is compiling, I sometimes will not multitask and will go read stuff online.
+Yeah.
+Yeah.
+Burn me out too much if I tried to utilize myself at 100% speed, so yeah.
+As well as community networking, hack-pub-it-ray-jo, became a place for discussion and debate of contemporary
+issues, as well as a place where people could reflect on what they'd seen or heard online
+or even in other podcasts in HPR 078JWP talks about Bitcoin.
+Good day.
+My name is JWP, and I wanted to do a hacker-public-rate-a-radio episode in response to the Linux outlaw's
+Bitcoin show on the hacker-public-radio.
+I was concerned because I heard on the Linux action show that what the Linux outlaw's
+guys put out in their very nice podcast about Bitcoin wasn't a true representation of
+the facts.
+And I'm a pretty simple guy, and I was like wondering, what are the facts?
+First and Brian, they didn't really go into the facts.
+I just said that Fab and Dan didn't cover the facts, and it wasn't a very factual thing.
+They were upset that the outlaw team was the number one Linux podcast for the year.
+I wasn't sure if it was factual or not what they said, and they concerned me, so I decided
+that I would do some research on my own.
+Personal storytelling in the stout, it was a frequent topic.
+For example, in HPR 08070, don't worry, look back at his early computing experiences.
+We wanted to canx computer express, I'm from Warsaw, Indiana, up in the northern part of
+Indiana, it's a small town, and we would either go to Fort Wayne or to South Bend for shopping
+to kind of take our pick, depending on which place we thought might have what we want,
+which is kind of nice, you know, it was kind of a neat town.
+In that regard, you were within a driving distance of several cities that you could quickly
+get to without too much hassle.
+So if we want to go to Fort Wayne, we could go to Computer Corner, which is this musky,
+feral computer store that had a mismatch of like Zenith data systems, computers, as
+well as Amiga systems, IBM systems, you know, it was a pseudo business sales center,
+and they also did computer repair and stuff, and I was, I don't know, that place always
+kind of gave me the creeps a little bit, although they had a nice Amiga display, but it
+always, it always seemed like it was sort of smoking, and stuff, probably all you've been
+into a computer store like that, especially from the 80s.
+Another regular topic for episodes was the practical side of hobby slide electronics
+in Amiga radio, for example, Mr X talks about soldering in HPR1037.
+My second children home was a weller soldering gun, it used low voltage and high current
+to heat the copper dip.
+It came with a variety of attachments for craft work, like scorching cork, melding
+and cutting plastic.
+It also came with a strip of PTFE tape, as polytetra floro ethylene, which allowed you
+to reseal a polytene bag, you simply place the PTFE strip on top of the polytene bag
+you wanted to seal, and then run an iron over the strip.
+HPR has also been the place where contributors could record a show within the show, for
+example, Linux in-laws.
+It's an excerpt from HPR3439, hosted by a monochromec.
+This is Linux in-laws, a podcast on topics around free and open source software, and
+is hosted in contraband, communism, the revolution in general, and whatever fence is your
+vehicle.
+Similar to the events Clarity was reporting on earlier, Ken Fallon also attended community
+events, and would record interviews around those.
+For example, an interview of Kevin O'Brien at our bio Linux Fest in 2013, episode
+HPR1322.
+Kevin, can you give us a little bit of history about the Ohio Linux Fest, how long it's been
+going, and the usual stuff for anybody living in a jar who doesn't know about this
+Fest?
+Sure, this is our 11th year, and it started a lot less formally among some college students
+at Ohio State University in Columbus, Ohio.
+The first year or so for a couple of years probably was kind of small, and not the sort
+of production it is now, but a number of people who got together and said, you know, we
+can do better than this.
+Let's make us a major event.
+Similarly, Al and Jerry talk about OgCamp in HPR1642.
+Hi, I'm Al, I'm Jerry, and we met at OgCamp, we decided that we kind of wanted to come
+and do an episode on HPR to tell people about OgCamp.
+This is my first year at OgCamp, and it was Gary's first one as well, wasn't it?
+It was, yeah, it was really fun, I had a lot of fun, drank a lot of beer, went to a lot
+of talks, and generally had a really good time, met lots of nice people as well, let's
+not forget that bit, yeah, it was really good, yeah, I don't know where to start really,
+well, I mean, start with the pub on the first night, which is where we met really, isn't
+it?
+It's my first kind of open source event I went to, and I was a bit nervous about going
+because I don't really know that many people in the open source community, and I was really
+surprised, and I got there, I kind of heard a couple of voices that I knew on the podcast.
+Haccup Public Radio has always been a good place for in-depth instructional recordings
+of a technical nature, for example, HPR1690 by Fletoo in 2015, which was about the Arduino.
+So right now our power source is along the right-hand side of our breadboard, and we've
+color coded it red maybe, I have, or the breadboard that I happened to have lying around
+is red, it has the red line.
+So that's our electrically charged power strip right now, so that could power the rest of
+our breadboard, and in fact it will.
+Ten years ago, the first decade of HPR was celebrated, episode 1874, it's a fireside chat
+with droops, again, interviewed by Ken Fallon.
+Hi everybody, my name is Ken Fallon, and you're listening to another episode of Haccup Public
+Radio, or is it?
+Or is it another episode of today with a techie, which started this weekend, coming
+we can 10 years ago, folks 10 years ago, and therefore I have online, live from the
+USMA, one of the men who started it all, Mr. Troops, how are you doing Troops?
+Hey Ken, how are you doing?
+I'm excited to be here.
+I'm not doing too bad at all, not doing too bad at all.
+So for those of you who don't know who Troops is, can you give us some rundown please?
+Well that's kind of what we're on the spot, I'm some guy who a long time ago in college
+was really into internet radio, and so we created this really cool thing.
+It didn't work, and so we created this other cool thing that didn't work, and then we
+created this other thing that was really lame, and eventually we got to the point where
+we created something that was actually really cool, and it was so cool that other people
+took it over and have done a much better job than we ever did with it, and have created
+this whole Haccup Public Radio thing, and it's very awesome.
+Haccup Public Radio has never been restricted to just circuits and Python scripts.
+For example, in HPR1890 recording in 2015, the Lovebug takes us along for a short walk
+with his son.
+Well, hi everyone, my name's the Lovebug, this is my first APR recording, although I'm
+not a stranger to podcasting, I haven't been my son, what's your name?
+Come here, come here, come here, come here, speaking to there, yeah, speaking to that, what's
+your name?
+What's your name?
+What's your name?
+Who's this?
+Alex.
+Alex.
+Alex.
+And we're walking down to our local church, as we have a posh coffee and breakfast morning.
+HPR is also sometimes a place for impassioned rants.
+For example, episode HPR2186, Ysake Nu Linux, by Spaceman.
+I don't know how you don't get the point that a kernel is just a component of an operating
+system, it's not the operating system.
+Now, here's what's important, when you're seeing GNU, you're referring to something that
+stands for something bigger than what Linux stands for.
+Being a community podcast, podcasting itself does get a big mention in HPR.
+For example, HPR2503, which is my journey to podcasting by the Lovebug again.
+So the catalyst of me starting podcasting occurred in 2007.
+I discovered podcasting through a couple of friends who had their own podcasts.
+One was the random three, which was a personal musical journey, where Mark, the host, would
+play three seemingly random pieces of music from his own collection.
+In fact, it's quite common for hosts on HPR to sometimes have their own podcasts, and
+some shows will be crossover shows where various hosts and various podcasts get together.
+HPR2673, again, at the Ohio Linux Fest, is a roundtable with the Urandom crew.
+Everyone, welcome to another exciting episode of Hacker Public Radio.
+I'm Lyle.
+I have with me Taj.
+What's good, everybody?
+And we are bringing you a special multi-podcast roundup we did this year at Ohio Linux Fest,
+2018 in Columbus, Ohio.
+We had folks from the Sunday Morning Linux Review, Linux Logcast, Urandom, and I mean
+Hacker Public Radio.
+Obviously.
+There were laughs, tears, awkward silences, which you probably won't hear, and a damn
+good time.
+So I would encourage you all to give it a listen and check out everybody's podcasts.
+I know everybody works hard to put out their shows, come to cons like this, meet people,
+have stuff to say, and generally have a good time.
+Check for links for everybody's shows in the show notes.
+Clat 2, who's been mentioned earlier right from the early episodes of HPR, is also known
+for a podcast screening world order.
+Another in-depth instructional series is The Intro to Get with Pen and Paper, starting
+with episode 2554.
+After this episode, I want to go into some of the nitty-gritty things about Get because
+I have heard from people on Hacker Public Radio that they don't necessarily understand
+how Get works.
+They know these magical incantations that they're supposed to do.
+They see them in the stack exchange, or stack overflow posts when they look up.
+How do I do such and such in Get?
+But they don't understand why they're doing it, and that's a frustrating thing.
+Well, that's frankly one of the main reasons that Hacker Public Radio exists in a way,
+right?
+We need to understand what we are doing rather than just take it on faith that, hey, this
+magic thing that you can do will result in something that is magic.
+So let's get started.
+I'm going to explain this in a little bit of a different way than you may have ever
+had it explained before, which hopefully will be a benefit because I know that there's
+quite a lot of stuff out there on Get.
+So saying, okay, I'm going to explain Get.
+That's kind of not again, you know?
+So this is different.
+This will be a little bit different, and it's different because it's paper-based.
+It's based.
+It does not involve a computer.
+And yet you can still learn a lot of principles of Get.
+So what I've done is I have created eight little mini index cards.
+I've taken one, it's not a three by five.
+It looks more like a four by six index card.
+Cut it into fourths, and I've done that to two different ones.
+So I've got eight.
+You can do the same thing.
+You can do, you can just use paper, it doesn't matter, it doesn't really, it doesn't
+matter.
+You could use post-its as well.
+Post-its actually work really well.
+And that will be the files.
+Those will be the files that we create.
+Those are, that's the content that we're going to create.
+One episode that touches on time's past is the recording HPR-307 between Enigma and
+Can.
+This came out in 2020.
+So what else has been going on in the last 12 years or 10 years?
+Well, we've had the ups and downs.
+Just as you were mentioning the New Year show, you know we've had for the last two New
+years, we've had 26 hour New Year shows.
+Oh, you have.
+Interesting.
+Yeah.
+It's, I think it started with Polki from, they have their own show now, from DevRandom.
+You DevRandom.
+I love to do one of those history of podcasts.
+So maybe you guys could help out with it, you know, the show was inspired, you know, HPR
+was, is a director of a, today with a techie, which was inspired by BenRab, which was inspired
+by Radio Freak America, you know, going all the way back and then that, you know, the
+Linux, link textual, you know, the Linux reality, a lot of the Linux links, although it shows
+like a graph or something of, of all the shows when the start of when the finished.
+Yeah, and absolutely, and I think that putting that, you know, somewhere is important for
+folks that are, that are coming new to this to kind of understand the history, because
+we, I think we've lost a little bit of that, because I, I don't really know, like when
+shows started, when shows stopped, like what's a derivative of what?
+Yeah, exactly.
+And the, what's funny now is podcasting has never been so popular as it is in the, yeah,
+I know.
+And, and we were kind of ahead of our curve or ahead of our time back then because there
+was so many, there was so much good content.
+You know, circa 2008 to 2000, like 10, when I left, that was just so much, like you've
+listed like five or six, and I could probably come up with five or six more on top of my
+head.
+And it was, it was a ridiculous amount of content we were pushing out.
+Yeah.
+Exactly.
+Kevin, who's known from the podcast, Tuckstown, made his debut solo episode in 2015 with
+HPL 1793 about open-source CD RIPPES.
+Hello, hello, and welcome to our episode of Hacker Public Radio.
+My name's Kevin, and whilst this isn't my very first appearance on Hacker Public Radio,
+it is my first attempt at flying solo, so this is a totally new experience for me.
+I thought my first ever episode, I thought I would do a brief roundup of just some CD
+RIPPING software, open-source of course, that is available on the Linux system.
+Through this episode, I hope to actually look at a variety, so I'm going to look at some
+dedicated RIPPERS graphical and command line, and also take a wee look at a couple of complete
+audio suites, which actually include the RIPPING abilities, which want to make a brief comment
+about each and just compare them, and of course what I see is very subject, a subjection
+level, I mean a lot of this down to personal taste, but I'm going to try and give my opinion
+and be as balanced as I can.
+Now, if you're a regular listener to my show Tux Jam, then you'll also know that I'm
+a big fan of Creative Commons music, and I'm not letting you guys off with no music
+in this episode either, so throughout the show we're going to get to and have some music
+tracks from 20-pound sounds and blowing up bridges, so that's look forward to.
+This brief walk through has just been the tip of the iceberg of the mixture of content
+and the variety of hosts who have contributed, there's plenty to look back on and hopefully
+plenty to look forward to.
+Thanks for listening.
+You have been listening to Hecker Public Radio at Hecker Public Radio does work.
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+If you ever thought of recording a podcast, then click on our contribute link to find
+out how easy it really is.
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+and our sings.net.
+On the Sadois status, today's show is released under Creative Commons, Attribution 4.0 International
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