hpr-knowledge-base/hpr_transcripts/hpr1194.txt

Episode: 1194
Title: HPR1194: Copying a Printer Definition File Between Systems
Source: https://hub.hackerpublicradio.org/ccdn.php?filename=/eps/hpr1194/hpr1194.mp3
Transcribed: 2025-10-17 21:22:25

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Howdy folks, this is 5150 for Hacker Public Radio.
I recently learned where Linux stores the PPD file created when you set up a printer
and how to copy it between PCs.
I'd like to briefly share that information with you.
And you're probably wondering, well 50, why do I need to know that?
Because every time I go into Cups to set up a printer, I'm presented with a list
of manufacturers and models I can easily select my printer from there every time, why
manually copy the file.
Well, I can take a three reasons.
First, perhaps the normal Cups, which stands for, of course, Common Unified Printing
System, doesn't have the perfect definition file for your printer.
In rare instances, you might have to download a PPD from the printer's manufacturer or
from another source if the manufacturer doesn't support Linux.
If so, if you've done that once on another machine, copy the PPD over may be a lot easier
than finding it and downloading it again.
The second reason might be you can configure Cups and you get to the point where you would
select a manufacturer and a model and it's grayed out.
This happened to me the first time I tried to configure Cups under Lanaro on my O-Droid
X.
Now some people may be tired hearing me talk about the O-Droid.
I haven't done a HPR on it yet, that's upcoming.
But I can tell you now for the sake of this conversation, it's not going to be about
the O-Droid, but for all intents and purposes, Lanaro is an arm port of mainline.
Unity included.
I installed Cups via aptitude and tried to configure printers I would on any Linux system.
When I got to the printer selection, the drop down to select a manufacturer was grayed
out.
As were the field to manually type in a path to the PPD file and make sure I could replicate
it, I closed the browser completely and tried again and the same thing happened.
This is what prompted me to try to find out where the PPD files are that are generated
by Cups are located on one of my already up and running systems and copied over.
I never got to see how it would work though because after I had located the PPD file on
my Labuntu system, copied it over the network and had everything set up or any install,
the next time I ran Cups, this is a couple days later, on my O-Droid X, when I got to
the point to select a manufacturer and then a model.
That whole list was populated, it looked just like it would have on any other Linux system.
So like I said, it had been a couple days, I had done apt-get update and upgrade on that
system in between.
I can't imagine that somehow Cups was installed and the printer definitions weren't.
I'd rather say it was just sort of a glitch, but I couldn't tell you either way, okay,
now the third reason that you might want to move a PPD file from one system to the other.
I've talked in a previous episode, previously aired, I assume, about my experience as installing
Synarch on my little notebook computer and I installed Cups and when I got to the point
subredder, there was common, you know, the manufacturer selections were there, but when
you got into HP, you pretty much had LaserJet and Desjet and maybe Color LaserJet, etc.
But you didn't really have selections for individual models, there was just one for
Desjet.
So in that case, and I'm still, I still haven't had time to go back and correct the crash
on the, or the problem I'm having on the computer with the desktop manager that I mentioned
on the previous episode.
So once I get that fixed or installed different arcs, whatever side I'm going to do with it,
then I will be copying the more specific PPD file over from one of my other computers and
trying it out.
Okay, copy the PPD.
So you go to the computer where you already have the printer setup, of course.
And you're looking for dot PPD file and that's, that stands for post script printer definition.
And that's just a text file with a bunch of settings in there, I did a cat on mine just
to make sure because when I had trouble with the old droid X, I was thinking, well surely
there's nothing binary in there that has to be compiled for a specific platform, it
turns out no, there, there wasn't.
So I couldn't figure out why I would have cups and I wouldn't have up the manufacturer
and model list unless it was a binary, but I digress.
You need to go into the system where the printer is already installed and look in the folder
slash Etsy slash cups slash PPD slash model.
Now depending on your distro, it may be just slash Etsy slash cups slash PPD.
Next way my old droid X was, there wasn't a slash model folder, I could, I tried creating
one and you certainly, I think you put the PPD where you want and I just checked my Fedora
laptop that I'm recording on and it only had, it only has slash Etsy slash cups slash
PPD.
So check for both of those folders and you should have a one or more files of PPD extension
and they're, they're going to be named, they're not going to be the, probably the model
name of the printer, these are generated by cups.
So it's going to have the name when asked you what to call the printer.
So when you're in your applications, if it's a deskjet and you call, and you said the
name of this printer is going to be deskjet, you're looking for deskjet dot PPD.
If you said the name of this printer is going to be Epson, you're looking for Epson dot
PPD or, you know, back office dot PPD, if that's what you named your printer or Fred's printer
dot PPD, that's, whatever name you gave it, that's what it's going to be, it's not, it's
not going to be a, like a driver name that somehow indicates the model, then you want
to copy that over to the other system and depends on which way you're working, but you're
not going to be caught in, unless you're on the new system as root, so in other words,
if you're remoting into your, if you're on the computer, it has the PPD file and you're
trying to copy it over to the computer, it doesn't.
It's not likely you're going to be remoted into the computer, it doesn't as root, and
you're probably not going to, if you're working the other direction and you're on the computer
that lacks the PPD file and you're importing it in or you're, you're remoted into the
system, it does have it, you're probably still not going to be locally logged in as root
when you do the copy, so you're not going to be able to copy the file directly into slash
Etsy slash cup slash PPD slash model, just copy it to your home folder, because you may
want to do some manipulations on the file anyway.
Now from here, we're in the territory I never actually got the test because like I told
you, I went into the old droid the second time and printers were all there, everything
was fine, but according to the post I found on linuxquestions.org, of course, you remember
the PPD file is the product of installing a printer and all those settings that cups
extracts the information about your printer from is apparently in a GZIP file and so there's
a GZIP that's a library of all printers, at least now I said I'm going by the article
I didn't I didn't actually try this or need to try it, but so in a nutshell, cups isn't
looking for when it when it creates that list of printers or manufacturers and models,
it's not looking in a in a PPD file, it's looking in a GZIP library, so you want to turn
your PPD file into a GZIP library, and of course it's only going to have the one printer
and the article I read said to do say, and this is before you copy anything, still in your
home folder, do GZIP, space-c, space, myprinter.ppd, space, greater than symbols, space, myprinter.ppd.gz.
Now the reason we're doing it that way first, of course, supplantmyprinter.ppd in the example
with whatever your PPD's name is, and with the dash c is for copy, because I understand it
from reading the information on GZIP, reading the man, that if you just say GZIPmyprinter.ppd,
you're going to come up with a new, it's going to overwrite that original file, it's just going
to zip that file into itself or into the same file name, so you look there, you won't have a
second GZIP file, you'll just have myprinter.ppd, except it will be archived, it will be zipped up,
so that's why you use the dash c copies, just make another copy, and then you use the redirection,
greater than symbol, to direct the output into a new file name, that way you're not overwriting
the original myprinter.ppd, and then of course you would have to become root, and copy the GZIP file
into Etsy slash Cups, slash pd slash model, okay, the next part just going to be review on Cups,
most people have already heard all this, so you open up the address localhost, colon,
631 in a browser, so localhost is going to reference back to whatever the IP address of your
system is, so you're opening up a webpage on your system on port 631, which is to port Cups runs
on, so if you have Cups installed, there's going to be a webpage at your IP address colon 631,
I mean if you have a fixed IP address, you know the IP address, you could type in your
IP address, you could type in 127.0.0.1, but it's easier just to type in localhost, colon, literally
localhost, colon 631, okay, click the administration tab, and for under administration click the add
printer button, and if this is your first time using Cups, and you're using this as a primer,
and you're familiar with installing a printer on a Macintosh, and this looks very familiar to you,
well, there's a reason for that. Cups is an open source project, but it is solely the creation
of Apple, okay, now I've got my desk jet hooked up to an Ethernet print server, another word,
that instead of having the USB cable plugged into any printer, or any particular system on my
network, I have it plugged into a little print server box, which has an IP address. This is not
intended to be a Cups primer, so I'm not going to tell you every possible way to connect to your
printer, I'm going to tell you how I connect to my printer. So in my case with the Ethernet
print server, I select Apple socket, or no, app socket slash HP JetDirect, and click continue,
and JetDirect, as you may or may not know, is HP's brand of Ethernet print servers,
it's sort of an industry standard. It's one of those things, like if you're working with third
party provider for software, for an enterprise, or any kind of business, they kind of expect you to
have, if you're running Windows, they expect you to have Windows Pro, and in the same way,
if you're trying to set up printers on a network for any application, they kind of expect you to
use a lot of times the JetDirect brand specifically, because it's not bad, they work, they probably
cost four or five times, the less expensive models you can find on a new egg, and this is not a
JetDirect primer, that's why it's in there, just because it says JetDirect doesn't mean it has to
be an HP JetDirect brand Ethernet print server. You select that and you click continue. Now again,
this is what works on my network, doesn't necessarily mean this is going to be what works on your
network. You have to manually type in the address, and the format that works for me,
is socket, colon slash slash, then IP address that I've assigned to my print server, it's going to
you know, it's only going to work if you give it a fixed address, colon 9100, which is the default
port for Ethernet print services, and then click continue, and I say default port, you may have a
different experience for your print server, I can't seem to move to move mine off a 9100, of course,
if you can log into your print server and select a different address, then or different port address,
I'm sorry, so if you have yours on a different port, then of course you would type in whatever
port's appropriate for you. On the next page, you fill in the printer name, remember this where
we talked about this is where the PPD comes from, or the name for the PPD, and that'll be how it
shows up, of course, every time you select that printer, in an application on the system,
you really don't have stuff in the other fields, there's printer description and printer
locations, so if you're on a big net, you apply more to a big network, I mean, you're home, you know
what that printer is, you really don't have to leave a big long-winded explanation for yourself,
now of course, yes, an enterprise environment, you may want to say, hey, this is the this is the
printer in the regional manager's office, etc, so people know what they're hitting, and you click
continue, and if the post on Linux questions was correct, you know, lacking any other source
for to find the printer models and manufacturers, Cups would find the GZ file that you created,
the GZ file, and show that one manufacturer and model, if it's the case where, you know, you have
you have manufacturers and models, but not the specific one, I'm assuming from article I read,
it's Cups is going to look in any GZ file, not just the first one, so you'll have all your standard
all your standard printers and normally come with Cups, and then you're one that you just created,
will appear in that list as well, now probably it might it might be just as well, remember I
mentioned that there is a field just to type in the path to the ppd, and I think there's a browse
button on there, maybe you just instead of going through this whole GZ app thing, it might be just
just as well that you just copy your ppd file from the other computer, and either that ppd or the
model folder depending depending on how Cups is set up on your system, and then reference it
that way, and then the next in the next screen you would modify it or accept the default printer,
say just whenever you set up a printer, two sided pring blah blah blah all that kind of stuff,
the other way to go is you might copy your ppd over and then modify your Etsy slash,
sorry slash Etsy, of course slash Cups slash printers dot comp, and you could edit that manually,
it seems kind of complicated, but probably wouldn't be too hard to figure out how to
place a printer in there, okay this Lexus has been a very drawn out discussion on a very simple thing,
so thanks for your attention, this is 5150 for hacker public radio, and you can reach me at 5150
at LinuxBasement.com, and my web page such as it is is at thebigredswitch.drupalguardance.com,
we'll see you folks the next time.
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