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Episode: 1675
Title: HPR1675: 2014-2015 New Year Show Part 2 of 8
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Transcribed: 2025-10-18 07:03:20

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This is HPR episode 1675 entitled New Year Show Part 2 on 8.
It is hosted by HPR volunteers and is about 193 minutes long.
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It is now recording 2, the time is 14-0-9 UTC.
Okay, thanks.
Yeah, Rich, I hadn't heard that you could actually do get your motion camera to follow the motion on the camera as well.
That sounds quite advanced.
I've not seen any documentation on that at all.
I've seen the checkboxes.
I haven't seen a YouTube video on it actually working.
Who knows, it may be a dormant feature, I don't know.
I've never come across that.
I haven't got a camera that can move.
I have seen people doing that, but that seems to be tricky to set up as well.
Unless you have one of those specific cameras.
Yeah, I've been wanting to set up the camera.
I got the motion detection working carefully.
I want to throw a camera under the teaky hood.
I have a hummingbird feeder out there that seems to get being getting fed on.
But I don't know by what, because I've never seen a hummingbird out there.
How do I sound now, guys, when you loud?
It sounds like you're too far away from the mic.
Before you were in a different room, you go actually lower, I think.
I move the mic in, how's that?
I can go higher on the amplifier.
I have to go too high.
I would try and refine yourself a bit if it doesn't distort.
You know how it is when you're on a cell phone and you have limited bandwidth,
and it just kind of compresses the audio, that's what you sound like.
Well, we were planting things earlier.
We were planting things earlier.
Somebody was saying that maybe I had the bandwidth sent too high.
Let me try that, because I brought them back down to about to the default level.
You sound a good just then.
Well, I put the amplification all the way up, you know, like 40x, which, you know,
I would say I would be blowing you guys out.
No.
When you sound quite teeny, you know, I need to throw some props to door to door geek,
because he recommended the microphone I'm using now.
It's a Samsung, it does XLR and USB.
Hold on, I'll get the model in a second.
Okay, now my quality settings are all the way up as well.
Does that study better?
I think you still sound pretty much the same.
I can't tell any difference.
Tell you what, since I'm recording on the pie, let me just, you know,
turn the mumble off on my p and get on the phone.
Your voice says that works better anyway.
Your phone?
Yeah, when you hear me online, I'm usually implombled.
Okay, because I've used a plumble, but that was on my S3, Galaxy S3, and it wasn't so good.
I haven't tried it on the Note 4 yet.
Okay, so the door to door geek recommended setup is the Samsung, and that's SEMSON,
and it's the Q2U.
It comes with a mic.
I think it has a USB cable, an XLR cable, a stand, and a headset.
And the headset monitor is direct off the mic.
And the audio quality is real good.
The only thing I did is I got a muff for it, a windscreen.
Yeah, it sounds pretty good.
How much is that for?
I know it was under 50.
It might have been like a $39 item.
Let me look it up.
And it comes with a set of headphones as well.
Correct.
So in worse yet, after I ordered it and the lamp and butchered the lamp to make a mic boom,
I found setups that were cheaper with a mic boom already set up in a mic holder.
Wow, if I didn't have a microphone already, some expensive one, then I definitely get that.
That looks great.
It sounds good as well.
$37 free shipping.
Okay, you must have found something different.
So this was $52, so I'm looking at Amazon right now, but probably my Amazon receipt that is.
But I think you can find the whole setup cheaper.
That's including the boom.
Oh, this is without the boom.
Well, I used to have the Q2 user as well, but it wasn't Samsung at the time.
They buy the company.
Oh, I have no idea.
Probably.
That happens all the time.
Anyone here use graphics tablets at all, anything like that?
You know, for drawing the pen.
Yeah, we know what you mean.
I didn't say things.
I'm no artist.
No, in my case.
If I used one, it looked like stick figures.
Oh, me too.
Me too.
But for touching up and stuff like that, pictures.
No, any photoshopping I've done.
I've always done with the mouse or a trackpad.
I know that I've seen companies I worked at where they had artists and they used stuff like that.
I bought one.
It hasn't arrived yet, but I bought a Wacom one.
It was only about $100 and he's got touch as well.
So you can pinch and zoom and rotate with one hand and draw and touch with the other one.
I hadn't realized, but you know, if you vary the pressure, then you can get it to vary the thickness of lines and stuff.
They really look pretty sophisticated and not that expensive.
Oh, very cool.
And yeah, you're right.
The Samsung Q2U that's the mic in the headset 3799, along with the wires for $39.98.
You can get everything and the windscreen.
And I'm scanning down low.
I know where I bought it.
I saw that they had a boom that was pretty cheap too.
Yeah, for the price, it can't be the audio quality out of this setup.
Yeah, it sounds perfect.
I wish I'd listened to door, you know, two years ago.
But maybe he wasn't recommending it and I don't know.
I think he was recommending this at the time.
And in New York, I have the Blue Yeti and it's just a horrible piece of crap.
I've got to have it turned all the way down.
I have a sock over the top of it, doubled over, you know, tube sock.
And I got to be right up on it and it picks up a pin drop in the next room.
It's really bad.
That's strange.
You have to be right up on it and yet it still picks up all the other stuff next door.
Yeah, it's unbelievably sensitive and that's really not what you want.
And if you're new to audio, that's not what you want in a voice mic.
You want the thing to be nearly deaf and that your lips have to be touching it when you talk.
And this sampling one is?
Yeah, yeah, it works really good.
I know a couple of podcasts.
My wife and daughter have been playing the flute in the other room.
I have the doors closed on my office here.
But yeah, you pretty much don't hear her.
Nice.
That is really nice.
I mean, I can't believe the price.
There's no reason that you hit by a whole bunch of them and send them just when you do an interview with somebody.
Sure.
Oh, yeah.
And well, here's the other good thing about it is it's both USB and XLR.
So if you want to move up to some sort of a mixing board in the future and there's USB mixing boards, you can just do that.
You don't have to get a new mic.
Yeah, it's beautiful.
Well, you know, just plug it in and use Pulse Audio to redirect the mic somewhere or whatever.
It's great.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, I was going to be back in New York for a week and I've been wanting to build a new computer.
I was going to build a new hack and Tosh and it's just not in the financial cards right now.
I do not have the money for that.
I thought rich by name.
Rich by nature.
Yeah.
Oh, boy.
If you only knew the truth, I blew through a stink load of money, just getting stuff for the house.
And I mean, a king size mattress is 2 grand.
That's just the mattress in the box spring, not the actual bed.
Furniture.
We had no furniture.
We still don't have a couch or anything.
We have, you know, I don't know, like a 27 inch TV or probably smaller.
And from like seven years ago.
So we got this big family room and this, you know, TV you think you need a microscope for.
So we TV is way low on my list.
But I would like to get a couch and we haven't got one of those yet.
A brand new furniture is horribly, hardly expensive and incredibly poor quality and it all comes from the same place.
It comes from, yeah.
Comes from some factory in China.
I've just been making some kind of cupboards and stuff from quality and plywood and painting them and it's kind of desks and stuff.
Because I've refused to buy the kind of pre made IKEA furniture, which is way overpriced.
All right.
IKEA might be a step up from what I've seen.
Here in Czech.
I have a feeling that because I'm in the Czech Republic and maybe when IKEA first came here, it was better quality.
But maybe to keep prices down even for people here that it seems to me that it's got worse, but I don't know.
Well, before we got the new place, we went around looking for furniture.
We went to three different areas in West Palm Beach, three different shops.
And basically the quality or the furniture was identical in all places.
And there was no bargain.
I would expect this stuff to be pretty cheap by the way it was constructed.
And if they did dovetails, they did dovetail joints where you would see them.
And on the back, they just slotted everything.
So it was really for the low brow furniture buyer to look at the furniture quality and say, oh, it's dovetail joint.
Yes, where you saw it.
I bet if they could get away with silk screening a dovetail joint on they would.
Maybe they do some way.
And then here's another level of quality issue.
There's a lot of modular couches.
And the people we bought at the house from had this really nice big modular couch set, which I would have liked.
But it does occupy a lot of space and it diminishes the size of the room.
But if the foam isn't a good quality in the couches you buy, you might be throwing the couch out after two years.
Actually, planning to make my own couch.
You have Murphy beds out there in the U.S.
And I bought a little kit to make my own Murphy bed.
And to have that coming down on top of a couch.
So when the Murphy beds up, it's a couch when he's down, it's a bed.
Very cool.
See, we have one of the requirements or, you know, I don't want to say a requirement like that.
I wanted a house with an office, you know, a nice master bedroom suite.
And we have one daughter.
So she has a bedroom.
I wanted two other bedrooms.
And this way my wife has an office that she wants to set up with a Murphy bed, but with a desk and a Murphy bed, not a couch.
And then we have a guest room.
So if my dad stays with us for an extended period or I have other friends, we still have a normal sleeping arrangement.
And the poor truth of the whole situation is unfortunately my wife doesn't sleep with most of the time because I store.
So she'll go to another bedroom.
And right now I haven't finished painting the master bedroom.
Just because we're using like five different colors.
And I had somebody helping me and they did a horrible job.
And I got to do it all by myself.
That sucks.
It's so funny, you know, everyone has different standards or different things they're used to.
We're trying to fix a lot of the stuff ourselves.
It's cheaper, but then you get exactly what you want as well.
But it takes a hell of a long time, you know.
So we still have concrete floors downstairs.
I haven't got around to put in the tiles down on the floors and things like that.
But you can't get used to it, you know.
I think people are different.
I'd be okay living in a three-core garage with an outhouse.
It's just knowing that I will be fixing it.
But my wife is the opposite.
She gets all flipped out that it's not perfect.
And I'm surprised she agreed to have people over tonight.
We're pretty much one step above camping here still.
We've got a bunch of boxes everywhere.
My experience is usually the wives which are more fussy.
Sometimes I really don't like women.
I've got a really good wife.
Or at least I'm more strong-willed than her and tell her how it's going to be.
And she accepts it.
But I feel sorry for a lot of guys who probably, like you said,
they'd be happy with an outhouse and living in a double garage
and having some kind of workshop next to their office, next to their bed, you know.
Oh, yeah.
It's funny.
One of the guys, he was from England.
And he's living north of me now, north of Orlando, actually.
And he built his plane in a studio apartment.
And I told him he was full of it.
And he sent me pictures.
I couldn't believe it.
Because if you're doing fiberglass work,
there's an incredible amount of dust that gets kicked up.
And it's that fine dust that makes you itch for a week.
And he said he did the work in a studio apartment.
And whatever he was making dust, he had a vacuum next to him.
And that's how he did it.
I mean, if you've got extraction, good extraction, you know,
connected to the sauce, maybe really you can keep it down.
I mean, on that subject, I have my workshop right now because it's too cold outside
for cutting, you know, the large flatboards and stuff
for kitchen lines and things like that.
I've got that into my living room downstairs.
Right next to where we're eating and where our kitchen's going to be,
just because it's more practical, you know.
Oh, very cool.
All right.
I'm going to ask a dumb question.
Are we recording for the New Year's show?
Yeah, so it's about four o'clock this morning, Rich.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, I'm like, when did midnight hit in England?
Sorry to jump in.
I've been flashing my, trying to get in.
Hey, it's Brom here.
Good morning.
How for you just had a twitch?
Yeah.
Well, no, that's not a twitch.
That's, it's kind of a not necessarily a public standard.
But it's like, hey, I'd like, sorry, it wasn't made clear.
Yeah, actually didn't have the window open.
Yeah, I actually recently also moved into a house here,
just north of the Mason-Tixon line.
And I don't know where you've been shopping for furniture,
but I will agree with you.
It's extraordinarily expensive.
And let's find it.
Look, I, all right.
So I had bought, my wife went to a consignment store.
And this said, oh my god, it is gorgeous.
And I walked in.
I looked at it.
It's a round table.
It's Italian lacquer.
It's got leafs on it.
You can put eight chairs around it, and it did come with eight chairs.
But it was, I think with the eight chairs was like $1,300.
I looked at that and walked out, because I'm thinking $500 is my top level for a table.
I called a buddy of mine that makes furniture.
And he says, that's what you'll pay for a good piece.
And he says, look around.
You're going to get disgusted with what you see.
And you're going to go back and buy it from that company, you know, from the consignment shop.
Sure enough, I did.
And I got the credenza with it too.
And a mirror.
It was a beautiful set.
If you're going to buy it used or pick it up at an auction,
the state sale would be a good place to look too.
Especially because it'll usually be older furniture.
Right.
Right.
I think the modern furniture finds somebody else who had an antique and is willing to sell it to you.
Yeah.
And I think that's what these people do is they go to a state sales.
They pick the stuff up and they bring it to their showroom.
Yeah.
And if I had the time to run around to a state sales, I probably got half what I paid for it.
But even still, I am really, I look at that stuff and I just kind of drool every time I see.
I'm looking at it right now.
And it's a really pretty piece.
Of course, my desk in my office is the old dining room table from our old place,
because I don't have a desk yet.
But heck, I'd be one of those guys.
I'd have a sore horse and some three quarter inch plywood across the top.
And maybe forgot real fancy.
I'd lay a piece of for my gun top of it, not even glued on just so it looked like something nice.
So how come the women are running our lives?
If we'd all be happy like that, what's it about?
It seems like a bunch of men with no obstacles, you know?
A bunch of boldest men.
Yeah, I think Brom's got a good point.
Don't start it then.
And do that right now.
Is he afraid someone's listening and it's going to get beaten over the head or something?
No, I'm afraid the Sony hackers are going to get me once I'm rich and famous.
I just don't share that belief.
I mean, my wife is extremely demanding, but it's more like she wants the best outcome,
not that she's being fussy for fussy's sake.
She's extraordinarily exacting too.
But when we actually get what she wants, it's great quality.
It's not like she's doing it just to be contrary or something like that.
So I don't see it as like, oh, yeah, she's running my life.
It's like, no, she wants the best outcome.
And when I look at it, that's what I want.
So here's the funny thing about my wife.
My wife grew up with money and she grew up in a family with money and I did not.
Not like we were poor, but whatever we had was might have been from our grandfather.
Often I had hand me downs or my mother made my clothes and didn't bother me any.
I never thought anything of it.
But my wife has no idea on quality.
I understand quality, whether it's jewelry and I don't know a whole lot about jewelry or furniture and stuff like that.
And in my wife's like, oh, it's pretty buy it.
So I always got a teller, you know, it's crap.
We went to this in Palm Beach here on Christmas Day.
Well, since everything is closed, all of the Jews go to a flea market because they're open on Christmas Day.
And they go shopping or they go to the movies or each Chinese.
So that's the stereotypical what Jewish people do on a Christian holiday.
Good Jewish food.
So we went not on Christmas Day, but this was a few years back.
We went to this flea market and she picked up this costume jewelry.
And I mean, it's injection molded plastic junk.
And I was kind of snub of my nose and trying to tell her not to buy it.
On the drive out while we're in the car, we got a few blocks away, the stuff started breaking.
And we brought it all back.
So now she listens to me on that.
But anyhow, I want to give you a call.
I did post on Google Plus. I know if you guys took a look.
But on Amazon again, I got these LED reels of lights.
And they're actually outdoor weather proof lights.
And just a wall wart 12 volt transformer.
And I put them above and below the cabinets.
And then there's a wall that splits like the great room and the entryway sitting room.
And it just really looks good.
It's kind of a joke.
I am in Palm Beach County, but the town is Jupiter Farms.
And it's east of 90.
I'm sorry, west of 95.
But there's no lights out here.
There's no traffic lights, street lights, anything.
So it's unbelievably dark.
And if you don't have night lights all over the house, it's worse than being in a dark room.
So it really works nice.
Either one of those, the cabinet lights or the arch lights light up the whole living space at night.
And it's really low power.
Yeah, I've got a whole bunch of those.
I got them off eBay and really cheap, like you say.
You can cut them to different lengths, you know, depending how many lights you want to put on a place and really great.
Yeah, it worked out really good.
I was very shocked.
I've been eyeing it for a long time for my house in New York because I redid the kitchen and I didn't put under cabinet lights in yet.
And I wanted to put these up.
And I figured this is a good excuse to do it.
Also the pool area screened in.
And I wanted to put them over the pool area because there wasn't a really sufficient lighting out by the pool.
There's a few lights on the wall, like three lights, but it doesn't really illuminate the pool area so well.
You can get your Arduino or something like that and do some pulse width modulation and get them dimmed and fancy stuff like that as well.
Yeah, you know, that's the other thing I was thinking about.
And I'll tell you why.
Alright, so in the kitchen, there's granted countertops that are granted backslash.
And on the left was an outlet and on the right was a telephone jack.
And you know, we have cordless phones which we don't use for the most part and everybody has a cell phone.
So I don't need a phone jack in the kitchen.
So I removed that snake to wire over from the outlet for power through a switch in which is a double switch in a single space.
We're in the wires up to the attic, put an outlet up there that was split so I can control two different wall wards.
I'm like, damn it.
If I just tap power and that was, if you asked me if I wanted to do all of that work again, the high voltage wire runs or cut off one of my fingers,
I'd have to stop and think about it because it was just such a pain in the ass.
The thing that I was thinking about is just that, you know, when you use Google Now, it just works so darn good.
If I could Google Now control my home and say, okay, Google turn on cabinet lights or something of that effect.
And just have, if it was just putting some sort of Wi-Fi adapter and, you know, control low voltage, you know, a couple of relays or SCRs
in having in the crawl space and the rafters without running all the high voltage wire up and down and back, they would have been unbelievably easy.
I've actually got a project to set up. I've just got to find the time. I've got all the parts and planned it.
But to have a little low power Wi-Fi and not Wi-Fi, but kind of wireless transmission from each light sockets and then dimmer controls.
And then to be controlled from anywhere, basically, or my idea was that as it gets later into the night,
to actually start dimming the light slowly to encourage people to go to bed early, you know.
So we don't get kept awake too late and then they have that adjusted throughout the seasons, you know.
And in the morning, maybe it would be super bright, but it was a project.
I kind of got a good respect out and I bought a whole load of stuff to test it. And I just haven't had the time to finish it, you know.
Yeah, that's always a problem. I mean, I did this LED lighting partly because it was fun and it's something I wanted to do.
My wife really liked it. She suggested throwing lights on top of the cabinets, which worked out good.
Now, a single strip on like 10 feet of cabinet underneath seemed to illuminate just fine.
But I have cabinets to the left and the right of the oven. So there's a break in the illumination.
And it seems a little dim even though per linear foot, you still have the same amount of light.
So I may double up the LED strips underneath those cabinets just to bring the light up a little.
I've actually got pretty used to just having an LED light on my head, you know. It sounds really primitive,
but I'm a bit too poor, but I really quite like the mood lighting of not having everywhere lit up and taking a more powerful light on the top of my head if I have to.
That could be moving around battery power, spotlight and stuff.
I know it probably doesn't sound very practical in the modern age, but.
Well, that's always something I choked about with my wife because when you think about your lighting bill, she's very conscious of the electric bill.
So most of the time we don't use AC and most of the time we try to keep the lights off.
Now, I'm not a fan of compact fluorescence because of a couple of things.
One is they're horribly toxic. The other thing is realistically you need a period about 15 minutes of them being on for them to be affected.
If you turn a compact fluorescent on and off three times in 15 minutes because it takes the amount of power it takes to start a compact fluorescent is equivalent to the time it takes to power.
It takes to power for 15 minutes. So if you're going to be back in the garage within 15 minutes, you might as well leave the light on.
If you keep turning it on and off, you're actually going to use more power.
So there's cases, you know, especially you may want incandescent bulb because you turn on an awful lot or because you want the heat from it.
And the US where they made laws outlawing incandescent bulbs and fluorescent bulbs is just got to be because a lobbyist say it's just crazy.
And LED technologies coming up very fast. They should have just sat on it and done nothing and LED bulbs would be in.
Yeah, they they make a lot of decisions sensible with the European Union here in Europe as well.
But they're still for sale and there's tech toxic kind of mercury filled eco lights, a pile of crap.
See that that's what I find very interesting is the they always talk about like America is like new fights, idiots, etc.
And we should do like Europe does because the Europeans are so much smarter in advance than we are.
Well, maybe you should look to see what the Europeans have been doing quietly.
I think a lot of you people here in Europe don't know what's happening in the European Union and what a pile of crap it is, you know.
So the LED bulbs and that those are available here now. I mean, I've got LED bulbs and several fixtures here.
Oh, yeah. And actually, I like the life from it. We in our old place, we threw a couple in and the it was a three story townhouse.
So in the stairway from the first second floor and they just I really enjoyed the light.
I like those strips because you distribute the light kind of across the whole room a bit more evenly.
It's not like one big intense sun, you know, it's more relaxing.
Well, I'm reviewing those strips and it's indirect light as opposed to direct light that you get from most like the downward firing fixtures that you have up in the ceiling.
Right.
Yes, but you can put those strips like underneath a kitchen cabinet and then you've got direct light at the place you need it.
Whereas if it's up in the spotlight in the ceiling, most of the time you're shadowing it with your own body, aren't you?
And you're on the out of the edge of the kitchen.
Well, I had this conversation a little bit in aviation they use and it's changing.
But for a very long time for position lights, landing lights, they use incandescent bulbs and for the strobe lights, they actually use a serious strobe pack.
And in experimental aviation, we've switched over to LED lights a while back, easy cheap lighter weight, lower power draw and actually they're brighter.
So we'll use a group.
There's manufacturers and they'll make wing tip lights with the strobe in it.
Well, the strobe as an LED light is just a bunch of white LEDs.
It's stink bright.
They're also doing LED landing lights and the interesting thing, a buddy of mine didn't experiment with this.
He's like a great scientist that way using scientific method to figure things out.
Aviation lights or landing lights are very narrow beams.
So everything else you want to light for, usually you want a wider beam.
And basically he tested a whole bunch of different products and came to the conclusion that an aviation light is landing light is the best light for your aircraft.
An LED light is the best for aviation because it's a beam.
Well, yeah, they're actually making LED landing lights now.
So you have basically the entire airplane can have LED lights for position, strobe, landing and taxi.
Well, for my house, I was just going to make the light in circuits 24 volts and then just have one central power supply, you know, instead of all these wall wall warts everywhere.
And I like that idea because the efficiency and it's interesting when you talk about it.
The AC is less efficient because you have to have the potential energy there all the time.
Whereas DC, you can actually store in a battery and charge it as needed.
Like if you have your 24 volt circuit, you can use a battery as like a capacitor and just push power into it as needed.
You've got to be careful of the voltage drop if the cables are too small, you know, because that can catch you out on a 24 volt circuit.
If you lose a few volts around if it's long runs, then you're messed up.
Well, even with AC, but less so.
And here's a funny story.
I rented a hanger at this complex and they built new hangers and they really didn't know what they were doing.
The dimensions of the hangers didn't fit most airplanes.
So it was kind of a poor poor toward sizing.
Also, when they ran the electric, they ran one wire.
And so if you're going for a longer electric run, you have to put a fatter wire in because you're going to lose power.
They decided at the far end hanger, they're going to do use it as a maintenance hanger and put an air compressor, etc.
Well, to start the air compressor, they had to turn all the lights off and then they had enough power to spin up the air compressor.
I guess if they didn't turn them off, they'd turn off themselves, you know.
It just go arm.
But you see some of these things and you know, I don't want to cut on people.
You can get away with a lot, but when you start doing larger things like that,
you really need to know the calculations for the resistance over the length and you know,
be able to do things properly.
Like an aviation, we have a lot of conversations about 12 volt systems versus 24 volt systems.
And if you have a 24 volt electrical system, your wire can be half the diameter, but then you have a bigger battery.
So people talk about the weight savings and the wire, but they really don't discuss the amount of weight they're adding into the battery.
But you don't necessarily have a bigger battery. The battery cells just have to make up 24 volt, you know.
If you have 100 amp hour 12 volt, it's equivalent of a 50 amp hour 24 volt, you know.
Correct.
So you don't actually need more weight. You just have to comprise the cells differently.
Yeah, so there's all sorts of arguments about that going on and then people doing calculations on the power runs that they need in airplanes based on length.
So, you know, your lights going out to the wing tips, but if you switch to LED lights, you could use a frickin strand of a ribbon cable.
Don't anybody do that that's wiring an airplane. I didn't do the calculations.
What kind of airplanes is this? This is small like hobby airplanes.
It just, it doesn't strike me as something that you want to mess around with in a hobby and context in airplane.
Well, the great thing about experimental aviation, you know, single-engine aircraft is that if you have an idea, you can do it.
It's legal to do. Whereas if you have a Cessna, you have to put in an item that's been approved for Cessna by the FAA.
Right, you're talking about really the small airplanes, the really hobbyist ones yet.
Correct.
Is it easier to glide with those if you have failures? So I guess the risk is smaller.
You know, it really depends on the design of the aircraft and the glide ratio.
My particular airplane, the glide ratio is better than a Cessna, but unfortunately it's at a higher speed.
So that's one of those critical things that if you lose power and have to fly somewhere, once you land, you have a lot more energy than you do if you have a Cessna.
So there's a couple of situations where I wanted desperately to have a Cessna and didn't.
And one of those is like instrument approaches the Cessna is much more stable.
But you can't jump from one of these small planes. I mean, you're not going to better get clear of the wings.
I don't know. The type of plane that I fly, I don't know if anybody has ever jumped from one successfully.
Oh, geez. This is a horrible, horrible story. I don't know the details on it, but somebody from my home airport in Long Island.
He had a front hinged canopy and apparently tried to eject from it and the mechanism that he designed didn't get the canopy clear of the airplane.
It impacted his skull and killed him.
Yeah, that really sounds terrible.
A bright guy. I mean rock star programmer, brilliant guy and a super nice person too.
Just not such then mechanics in the DIY.
Well, I think it was very enthusiastic about the project and not as cautious as he should have been.
And I'm not talking ill of him, I'm just trying to be analytical.
I mean, just real, really super nice guy. I've not, not that he was a great friend or anything like that.
And I say that not to bring myself into the picture. I've only met him a few times. I've emailed with him.
But I just super nice guy and it's horrible.
You can say he was optimistic and kind of ambitious, you know.
Yeah. And see that this happens in aviation a lot.
He was advised by very knowledgeable people not to fly the plane, but you need to slow down and back.
Lots of you flying, which do we lose audio?
I think flying.
Sorry about that.
Yeah, if you go for long periods of time without like resting or resetting your mobile connection,
sometimes it gets a little flaky.
Okay, yeah, usually try to drop off the key.
Yeah, guys, I'm still here. It's just that I am actually connected in with four devices.
Since we couldn't get my level right with the headphones, I jumped off and jumped into plumble.
And I've got my pie recording though.
I'm going to have to check that recording because I've got mumble open on it.
And I don't see when anybody's talking.
Well, I can see rich in there though. So he's only recently joined.
So it's got to be somewhat correct.
I'm hoping it's still recording. It's overlapping with my earlier recording and Ken came in and learn said,
because my levels were so low, he can't hear me at all in the first part of the show.
So I'm trying to I've got my recording of it. I'm working on that right now.
And actually, since I'm having this weird DNS connectivity problem on my laptop,
I fired up the P4 and I'm running my schedule spreadsheet just on there.
So I can try to update the notes for the conversation from there.
But if somebody wants to open up either that page or open up K5 Texas shared pad,
and help keep up with the notes that would let me concentrate on trying to get this first part of the show edited.
And while I'm at it, I missed I missed a greeting 20 minutes ago to Northland Territory, Australia,
Darwin, Alice Springs, and Uluru.
Are they on half time?
Yeah, we, I mean, we start out first 15 minutes in the show. We had a 15 hit one.
Really? I didn't know they went by quarter hour in places.
There are some really unusual time zones out there. I remember that from last year.
You get surprised by some of them that are off on the 30 minute, 20 minute, 15 minute marks.
I think they're just trying to disrupt this conversation, you know, and get in on it.
Absolutely.
So 50 has the house build going?
Well, like I said, I'm trying to get some time waiting to work on this for three hours.
But yeah, they, until snowed here, they were making progress. I put up some pictures the other day.
Yeah, so you got the coffee port?
Yeah, they got the floor poured and what part of the plumming had to go inside the floor?
It is there. So probably until the snow melts, they're not going to be able to do any more to it.
Alright, I got a question for you. The hot water pipes going under the port concrete around.
Do they insulate them first?
Well, I guess they're going the tracks. Now, we decided not to do the environmental heating because it was going to cost so much to, you know, to do the...
You're talking about radio heating?
Well, yeah. Well, we didn't do the radio heat because we said we weren't going to...
Well, first, apparently if you're trying to keep a certain temperature and the temperature is going up and down outside, you know, you can't change heat very fast.
Now, of course, if you've got a regular full-size heating and air conditioning system, plus the N-floor heat, you could use that to fight it.
But, you know, with my dad, how old he is, you know, he can't wait three hours for the house to warm up or he couldn't have.
And they told, you know, we revised things for cost and all that along the way.
We're, you know, not doing things like I exactly wanted to, but I'm doing what we can order from the...
And we were thinking, doing the animals and environmental...
It's where you get your heat from. You drill three wells and you run a tube down the well and a tube back up.
Oh, you're talking about heat pump?
Well, kind of well, you can get a heat pump, but this is the type that you go through the ground to get.
And geothermal, thank you.
And that was going to cost so much extra in the contractor.
So, you know, you're, you're building in the side of the hill anyway.
You're not really going to see that much cost benefit unless you're willing to wait 20 years to catch up with it.
So, aside not to do that, and we thought about maybe still going with the radiant heat in the floor.
So, if we ever did decide we could afford geothermal would be set up for it.
And then, you know, I may regret this one one day, but the only really way to do the geothermal out in the country was to heated with propane.
And either dad or I were comfortable with gas in the house.
We'd turned off the propane heaters and, you know, disconnected them inside the house that we had, because we weren't comfortable with it.
Even though we had electric, you know, meant going on electric heat and spending more.
And really, you know, it's no good for my lungs to have that propane going.
I can definitely tell a difference.
Oh, wow. So, you know, when we weren't going to do that, then there wasn't any point in doing the ambient heat in the floor.
Especially like we said, with, you know, dad needing, you know, it'd be the right temperature now and not six hours from now.
We were going to have to install a full-size heater in air conditioning anyway.
So, you know, but the piping in the floor, the way I don't think it's insulated, but the way I understood it, they build a channel.
So it's not like you just set plastic pipe in the floor and pour concrete around it, because eventually they say that's going to leak.
So they've made it so if I ever have to get in and replace the pipe, you can pull it out one, you know, pull it out all through one end and get to it.
Wow. You know, when I had my house in New York, redone, which is like 100 something year old house, my dad had insulation blown in it.
I had a dual hydronic system put in.
So the second and third floor are heated and air conditioned and basically there's a radiator in the air conditioning duct and same thing with the first floor, but it's a separate system.
They pulled, I don't know what it was a flexible hose to circulate the hot water from the boiler from basically the basement to the attic.
And I'm wondering is it PVC in your floor or is it some sort of, I think it's a vinyl hose. I'm not sure what it is.
No, it's definitely PVC.
And we had a little interesting routing trying to get it up. It went through the drop ceiling in the kitchen and went through a wall in a closet to get up into the attic.
It took a little thinking to figure out how the route would be, but I figured it out.
And I guess I probably still have time to make it to make a change. We had decided to go with no carpeting anywhere because when they had, oh, it probably still wouldn't have been safe on a walker.
But when dad was in recovery, they got him up on a walker. Of course, they had to follow him with fun nurses and boys that you know, yeah, I can't do that at home or couldn't have.
And you know, but he did say, well, you know, I can't push this thing across a carpet, but I can push it across tile.
So we decided to go with tile everywhere and just for, you know, cleaning stuff up and all that. But I mean, I may change my mind and go least carpeting in the living room.
Now, one thing we are going to do is to bathroom, at least the main bathroom is going to have one of those electric heat mats in it.
You know, where you can turn it on before you get in there in the shower in the morning and stuff. So are you talking about under the tile?
Yeah, under the tile.
Okay, yeah, I got that in the upstairs bathroom, my house in New York, and it's set on a timer. And oh, my gosh, it's the greatest thing in the world.
Well, I'm a friend I was at his house, and I didn't really get a chance to really experience it, but he told me how, how much they enjoyed it.
You know, he said, you need to get this. I said, yeah, the contractor, all three told us that we're going, we're definitely going to get that.
But yeah, I like, well, this house is all carpeted, this rental house, and well, except for the kitchen, the bathroom.
And, you know, I do like when I get home, kick my socks off. So we may, we may see that, you know, I may change my mind about the living room.
My bathroom actually pretty much both bathrooms I have in New York are like as small as humanly possible because the house was built before indoor plumbing.
And I forgot how much the radiant heat cost, but holy cow, it's so worth it is, it is just the greatest thing in the world being able to go into the bathroom.
You got a tile floor and not having cold feet. And as Pegwell has told me, I have such horrible, horrible first world problems.
I think we missed that.
Yeah, I dropped off.
No, I think we the joke flew right over my head.
Oh, yeah, well, that if my problem is I got to have a warm feet, you know, on the tile, that's pretty, pretty low on the list of important things.
So the other thing that when the bathroom was getting redone in the house, they, my friend was doing it.
And they didn't want to put the vent and hot air blower.
And I insisted on that because just like 51 50 was saying is the room doesn't heat up.
You had a plan an hour in advance if you want a warm floor in the room, which is great for when you get ready for work at a regular interval.
But if you're going to walk in there and it's cold, you're going to want the hot air blower to heat up the air at least because then it's warm quick.
And kind of the segway what I was getting into about the house in New York, not only was the house nicer, less drafty because I did the double pane windows and the timer on the thermostats and the split zones.
But every room in the house, every square foot of the house was heated in air conditioned and very comfortably so and I used 50% less fuel.
So if you want encouragement to change your windows, maybe your heating system and your draft you old home, go for the best thing in the world.
Okay, we're coming up on another hour.
So we want to say New Year's greetings to Japan, Tokyo, Seoul, which be the pre is for Yang and deal.
Okay.
So we're starting to work our way in Asia.
Hey, 50, I got to ask you a question.
I'm totally jealous of your house spilled because you've got a gun vault being built into the house.
Yeah, well, it's going to be used for that. It's going to be, it was mainly, of course, for a tornado shelter for my dad.
I mean, they'll have it a basement and of course he hasn't been able to go anywhere near going downstairs into a basement.
You know, for seven or eight years or at least five years, you know, even before he had to get the power chair.
You know, he was on a walker and there would have been no way.
And of course, if he couldn't go down, I couldn't go down either.
So, you know, this was intended for if we did, you know, if we did have a tornado, we could, you know, get enrolled in there and ride the tornado out in this relatively small room.
It's about the size of a bit of a smallish bathroom.
You know, I'll probably throw a cot or something or an air mattress in there. So if I do have a tornado, I can just go in there and go to bed.
No, I don't see any ventilation. I asked the contractor. He said there'd be ventilation because I'd hate to go to sleep and, you know, run out of air and not know what or something.
So I better make sure there's something in there. I'm not sure it would be fire protection.
Probably if I had a fire again, I would be a lot better off running outside.
But I'm also hoping, you know, I had a fire safe in the old house where we did.
And really, the only thing survived in the whole house was stuff that was in that fire safe.
So, you know, I'm hoping it'll work for that. And like I said, you know, any, the hunting weapons, anything that's not actively being used for home defend.
And here you know, I just posted on the last half hours show notes that we had, we, we've had flying rich on here.
And for 30 minutes, we've managed not to talk about guns. And, and here we are. But yeah, prop in an old house, I didn't really have any of the guns locked up, so to speak, but probably any that you don't have position for home defense can just as well go in that locked room.
And, you know, and I'm not sure on the strategy, you know, that I want to employ when I, when I go in the new house, do I want to have one gun in one place from home defense or do I want to have multiple guns and multiple places, because that means they would be places somebody else could get to them.
So, you know, that, that, that's an, that is perhaps an interesting scenario. But the rest of them are going to go in that room.
Does it have a climate control and things like that, or is it really just a big concrete vault that was meant to keep tornadoes from getting it?
It's really just a big concrete vault. Like I said, I don't see any holes that are going to accept where the door is, so I'm going to have to ask him again about that.
Say, hey, if I'm going to spend any time in that, I go, I guess you could leave the door open till right before the tornado hit or something, but you know, I would like a little more peace of mind than that.
Maybe it's like a cardboard box, you know, they're going to punch holes for me afterwards.
Well, did they put the heating and ventilation system in yet?
No, none of that's in. See what I had one to go with is instead of just poured concrete like we've got, you know, we originally planned to go with those, you know, those phone blocks that you, that you pour the concrete in between.
Oh, yeah, absolutely. And that was that was out. And I wanted to do, you know, all four walls concrete and, you know, steal studs instead of wood and, you know, everything where the house just couldn't possibly be destroyed.
And, you know, and we got together, you know, with contractor and he started checking out prices and he said, well, and I had to tell him ahead of time how much we had to spend, but he said, no, I didn't know how much you got to spend.
And so now we can't do all of it for that. So we've we've crank stuff back considerably.
Yeah, I was joking that the new house. Basically, it's, it's not prefab, but the walls were precast concrete truck to the site and put up with cranes. Now, I'm the third owner of the house. It wasn't built to my spec, but I joke that the house is bulletproof, but we have pretty much just glass walls around the house like an L section around a pool.
So it's pretty much all class out to the pool. So yeah, if they're coming from the north side or the west side, I'm okay, but forget the rest.
Well, yeah, we were going to we were going to have the big picture window looking out on the lake. And, you know, that's the one side I'm going to have visibility on. So I will be putting up some IP cameras or something around. So I can't at least see, but.
Yeah, if you've got glass anywhere in the house, you might as well have a whole house of glass as far as security goes.
Yeah, and where we are, we're actually the Jupiter police don't come out here where Jupiter forms were an unincorporated section in the county.
So the sheriff is the only law out here. And I stopped by I saw a couple of the the sheriff's, they have like a remote office.
And I started with me yesterday and I said, you know, I hear pop pop pop pop, you know, it sounds like somebody, you know, popping off a shotgun nearby.
It's like, yeah, you'll get that. I'm like, well, is it legal to is it legal to shoot on your properties? Like, no, but nobody's going to stop you.
So I thought it was funny because I'm like, hmm, if I can shoot on my property, but the law is actually got to be 500 feet from a county road.
And every road is a county road and I do not have 500 feet.
We lose 50.
It looks like he's stopping and starting recording.
Well, that's on that's on the pie. Did you hear my lap? I said, uh, read your your laws about being 500 feet from a road.
You wouldn't be able to go hunting anywhere if that was a law in Kansas.
It's a lot of Pennsylvania.
I mean, I understand 500 is an arbitrary distance, but I mean, I can't throw a rock 500 feet, but certainly anything that comes out of a barrel of something I own will go further than 500 feet.
Well, see, that's a problem around here. I mean, most of my neighbors out in the country were, you know, anymore, we're very nervous about allowing anyone to hunt with a high powered rifle.
You know, especially if they're not from the country and don't know where the next house is.
Right.
So most, most people, you know, they, if they're going to hunt a deer, they're going to have to hunt it with a bow or black powder though.
I don't know. Some of these guys shoot many balls. Those things are higher muscle velocity than a 30 out six. I don't know if they'll go as far.
Probably not. They probably drop off pretty quick because the drag on a sphere is unbelievably high.
But yeah, actually, they load those things of shaped boards now.
Oh, do you think?
Yeah, I don't know about that.
It's funny. The only larger caliber above, you know, 2, 2, 3, 5, 5, 6 I have is most negons, which cramped. They'll shoot through almost anything.
But I don't know if you've looked at this. There's, is it combat balls or basically they'll have mirrors or bookcases that you can conceal firearms in.
Have you seen that for your site for your new house?
No, I haven't seen that. I've seen the guy with the big headboard, you know, where he, he hits a button and a remnant shot drops down from above.
Well, I mean, if you're going to do something like that, I just, I wanted to get into the topic of secret rooms because we actually have a huge like little sitting area.
And I say huge little because our master bedroom is extraordinarily large.
And it's weird because we could easily wall it off and put like bookshelves in front of it and have like a little secret room behind it.
And I think that would be something that we're planning to do.
Yeah, I've seen stuff on that. I kind of like the idea of having the on-war and there's actually a room behind it.
I was thinking the master bedroom has his and her closets. And I was thinking about doing something in my closet with a hidden wall, you know, just like, you know, behind a mirror having a gun cabinet.
This is like, you know, if we could have like a reading room treadmill. It's, it's, it's a big space. I would say it's like a good 19 by six or so.
And feet, meters would be about what? Seven, eight meters by two or by one. Yeah, by two.
And it's got stairs going down to it. So we have this small staircase with a banister and a railing in our master bedroom. It makes no sense.
Oh, actually, I saw this when I was in Germany way back when they had polarized stairs. So in other words, your stairs had were split left and right in each step was twice as high.
And you had to go left, right, left, right in a particular order. But the stairs didn't go. They went half as deep as the normal stairs.
So if the base of your stairs to the top stair, the horizontal travel was, you know, 15 feet, it would now be seven and a half feet.
That would be pretty weird.
Yeah, it was some relative and he was an architect. And I've always had that in the back of my mind if I ever had a house with stairs. I could always do the polarized stairs and have the space.
But normally, I mean, there's regulations on what you have to have for for the stair depth and that for any building. Uh-oh.
Yeah, we got into that when back in one of the coffee shops, I used to go to they put in a small stage and then they found out that the stairs that they had actually built for the stage were not to the like the city regulations or something.
They had to get the carpenter to come in and build the whole new set of stairs. Oh my gosh.
Well, well, that's like I want to build a detached garage here. You know, I have my man cave and maybe some storage on the second floor.
There's all sorts of regulations and apparently these scrubby looking pines that are dying on my property or protected species. And if one of them gets cut down at some sort of violation.
And not that I'm anti-environmental, but F UI on this land.
You may have to settle for the man Tiki had.
Yeah, I got to get that re-roofed because I that's I don't know if you can tell from the shots I post it, but it's in bad shape.
Which would be nice if it was all because we're having people over tonight and we're going to have, you know, like smores and marshmallows at the fire pit.
And if the Tiki hut was set up, that'd be good, but it's not.
Oh, this is a site. It's tactical walls. I'll post a and the ether pad.
All right, since it seems like we've picked certain topics that some were finding distasteful. Anyone else want to bring something up?
Well, I was just making a joke in the in the notes, but.
The only really funny joke I've heard besides the fact that John NATO and I are probably going to do this a reprise of OLF, which is going to get really ugly.
I had to do with somebody post on the FSF mailing list about how many can your Linux users take a change light bulb?
It was there was a lot of like it basically ended up being like a mailing list flamethrower. I'll see if I can find it.
Wait, were you at OLF? I was.
So were you hanging out drinking with Jonathan and us? I was.
All right, now I'm going to try and remember who you were.
This may be a while.
I'll make it easier for your rich. He's the one of the really hot wife.
Oh, great. Here we go.
I hope I'm not embarrassing Britastic by saying that.
He gets it a lot.
I don't remember anybody having a wife at OLF.
Okay, well that that's wrong because my wife was there and with us.
No, no, Richie, you've got your own Britastic's bad list at this point.
This is a good podcast, but now I'm going to get her and mumble just as you say.
Now, now, now this is not a good place to be.
Wait, there was only one girl in the room with us.
What, Joni? That's it, Joni.
Is this 2014 OLF we're talking about?
Yeah.
Trying to remember who else was there.
All right, so was a bad taste be shooting the blind guy with darts all night?
Well, after Peter got the blind guy to the film a video and started yelling at him to keep the whole camera straight.
I don't think anything's in bad taste with Jonathan.
So you think Peter broke new ground, so I'm safe.
Well, the whole thing that was supposed to happen was that imagine like you know those signs and a factory for like so many days since an accident.
Yes.
We were going to we ended up having one where it was like so many minutes since the last blind joke was told.
And then Jonathan turned it into the idea of a chess clock.
So it was like you told Jonathan that you reset the clock.
So where is Jonathan? How come he's not on?
I corresponded with him. He plans to be on sometime today.
He usually doesn't get into a waiter in the day.
He's a big adult with many important things to do.
Who are you talking about?
Jonathan.
Actually, the the funnest thing about Jonathan is he is such a quick wit.
And it's a little intimidating how quick he comes back.
We'll just wait for him to get here before we start talking about him.
So if you don't remember from all that, what talks did you go to? Where did you show up?
I'll crap. I'm not going to remember all that. I went to the one I gave.
Yeah. Well, it's entirely possible we went to the same event and missed each other.
Well, yeah, I'm having a tough time remembering anyone other than Joni.
Hello.
Hey, Poppy.
How you doing?
Happy New Year.
Happy New Year. Well, it hasn't been here for you yet.
Oh, hey, and I missed a 15 minute one. I'm sorry.
Greetings to Western Australia, Australia, Eucla.
And I want to repeat again that Bruce Patterson is looking for a new host
for the DistraWatch Weekly podcast. So contact him.
There should be contact information on the site if you're interested in that gig.
That's a really good way to get into podcasting as I understand the works pretty much done for you.
You just have to read the script. So, you know, good.
Drop along the Bruce if you're interested.
So what's new with you, Poppy?
Oh, you know, working on number two, mostly.
Anything you can share with us?
Well, nothing that hasn't already been shared that, you know,
the first phone should be shipping beginning of February in the New Year.
I really actually haven't heard too much about it.
I was big in the phone hacking scene for a while and I just kind of stepped out of it mainly because
with Qualcomm basically dominating the market in my opinion with all the new,
because I think every LTE modem that comes out has Qualcomm on it,
you know, getting really, getting free software on the phones at a driver level,
which is something I'm very interested in, is just kind of not possible right now.
And that's the same for most of the handset manufacturers,
whether it's Qualcomm or not.
Unfortunately, I mean, we can, we can all of it's that we make a free software
from, you know, from the kernel upwards.
The kernel itself obviously is Linux, but the drivers for things like the sensors and the GPU.
And like you say, the LTE modem and stuff like that is in some way abstracted away in a binary blob provided by the device manufacturer
or the SOC manufacturer.
There's pretty much nothing we can do about that if we want to compete.
So, you know, we make free software from that point upwards.
Yeah, I did have one question.
How is the modem connected to the application process?
Is it like a high-speed serial line or shared memory?
I think they interface over a serial connection.
So you, you know, you send them the old YLD ATDT kind of commands to bring up a connection, that kind of stuff.
Okay, yeah, that's at least good from a, I don't trust my modem perspective.
So that's good to hear.
Right, and the, you know, the SOC vendors, they don't, the modem doesn't trust the SOC either.
So it's mutual distrust.
That's good.
Turn out, there's anything else I need to ask you about this phone.
How can I get one?
So they'll be released and available to buy online beginning of February.
The first market is in Spain.
So a company called BQ are making them and they'll sell them online via their website.
So you can just order them online.
I don't know whether they'll support all the frequencies in Northern America.
I know they do all the GSM stuff that works in Europe and the rest of the planet, but might not support everything in the US.
But there's another phone coming a little bit later, which is manufactured by Chinese company called Mazoo.
And that's a kind of higher end phone with support for more frequencies.
Okay, yeah, the funny thing is that like as soon as 3G and GSM and all that, like started to get supplanted by LTE,
they started, the manufacturers came out with these pentaband modems that could be used anywhere or nearly anywhere.
Right.
And I have a sense that I'm dominating the conversation with phone hacking.
So I'm going to defer and let somebody else talk.
Please do dominate.
We've been having trouble with enough people participating.
So talk as much as you want, bro, please.
Phone hacking is preferable to certain other topics.
Fair enough.
I was expecting somebody to come on and start talking about like game consoles or something, but I'll do phone hacking for a while.
I mean, I really haven't followed replicant too much.
And I know that they've been having some trouble getting to the latest version of Android.
I do know that they're evaluating.
It's nothing official yet, but they're looking at possibly basing their ROM off of Omni ROM rather than cyanogen mod.
Why are they not based off of AOSP?
I think it's mainly because AOSP was really nice for some things.
But I remembered John Baptiste Carue when he was back still in the Android scene saying that it was a...
There was something about the lines would do certain video drivers and things like that.
It was not possible to get an AOSP build to run on certain Nexus devices.
And so I think they just started from cyanogen mod because it was popular.
I don't know. I didn't really talk to Paul about that.
Paul being Paul K, the main developer.
Plus, I think also with more supported devices and more supported builds, if they can reverse engineer a couple things, then you can...
You have a larger install base.
I do know that the Samsung phones are the ones that are mostly supported right now because of the Exynos processor.
It's mostly the older Nexus phones. I think Galaxy Nexus, as far as they went, because the LG Nexus 4 has so many proprietary drivers.
If you print it out on a page, it would probably go on the next sheet of A4.
So interestingly on their Wikipedia page for Replicant, there's a list of devices.
And they all have big swathes of no, no supported and proprietary and so on.
So this is going to be a problem for them for any device really.
There's so few devices that can work without any proprietary blobs in them.
Yeah, and the other thing is they're focused on phones. I'm sure they could get a couple tablets to work pretty easy.
But they really want a telephony device.
Which is surprising really because if you've got a tablet and fairly ubiquitous wireless connection,
you could make the case for encrypted voice communication that didn't go over a GSM network.
Agreed. And I think it might just be that that's the way Paul wanted to take the project.
If I had the time and more skills, my low level programming is not very good and my reverse engineering skills are terrible.
I've been pigeonholed as a web junkie and I have some application chops and I know Java pretty well.
But the stuff they're doing is so low level, I'm not really able to contribute besides testing.
Yeah, they want to do it that way.
I would rather see a tablet just to say, hey, we got this to work.
But they want to focus on telephony devices.
And I think a lot of it is that most people agree that having these sorts of devices that you can trust or at least audit,
or have somebody audit, and you can pay them to audit, for example, is a good thing.
But I think it's mostly still talk.
Wasn't it true crypt that recently got audited?
It's still rare. You have all these free software open source thing that's like, oh yeah, we can audit this and then nobody does it.
Well, generally, someone with significant skill and time needs to do that audit and that often means really you need to pay for their time.
Who's going to front up the thousands of dollars worth of time that it takes someone to fully audit and actually certify,
put their name to something to say that that is secure and open and so on.
Actually, I thought true crypt was free as in beer, but not open, at least until they did the audit.
You are correct.
You know, it's more telling stuff like heart bleed and I'm blanking on the bash one and there's been another one since.
Shell Shock, which I find entertaining that post-traumatic stress disorder decided to be a great name for vulnerability.
You got to be the first guy in the tech media to come up with the cool name.
Oh, agreed. I just find it entertaining. I didn't say it was bad. It was just like, oh, that's kind of amusingly interesting.
But yeah, to get back to this audit thing, we've seen a lot of that in 2014 where we're seeing like, oh, yeah, everybody uses this.
It's ubiquitous and then you look at it and it's like, it's not that great.
What was it? Apparently, from what I've been told for my secure coding training that I have to do every year, my employer,
there are no free software security toolkits that are released that do TLS12 to my knowledge,
at least in terms of like Nescape security system and open SSL and things like that.
I'm sure Libre SSL will do TLS12 if it doesn't already, but I don't think he had materials on that yet. It's just that new.
And while we've got you here for those of us on the channel and in the audience who don't have the security training, please explain TLS to us.
Sure. Well, TLS is a transport layer security. It's basically the latest version of SSL. It just grew straight out of SSL.
And so nobody uses SSL 2.0 or 3.0 anymore. There's the beast attack, the poodle attacks. SSL 2 is going to house. So everyone uses TLS.
I think it's because the IETF took it over. And TLS12 has been out for about what, 10 years? No, I think the standard came out in 2004.
I know Microsoft actually, their library is supposed to be very good and implements TLS12.
I don't know about GNU TLS. I know Open SSL only supports 1.0.
Netscape security system, the NSS library, which is what Firefox uses, and it's derivatives like Ice Weasel, et cetera, et cetera.
They're at 1.1, at least to my knowledge of this situation. So the idea is that there's this 10-year-old security standard that everyone's supposed to be using.
And a lot of the free software toolkits don't support it, which is really frustrating.
So not only do we have to audit these things, we may have to pay for development time. And it was that way with Open SSL 2, but I think part of it was the fact that they were begging for time and things like that, but they also weren't accepting patches. And there's Jonathan.
Sorry to break up the conversation.
Yeah, we're just talking about security stuff. I kind of got it on my ran. It sort of we organically flowed from phone hacking to, you know, I read audits and security.
We're talking about Heartbleed and Shell Shock. So if you guys want to chime in, that was a good time.
Jonathan's going to be here, but I'm very happy.
Thanks.
Hey, Peggy.
Hey guys.
Hey, Peggy, your level's a bit low. You might be able to come up a bit.
Yeah, well, there's a low, you know, and we were talking about the security audits. I think the first one of these at least I ever heard of a couple of years ago where the guy claimed that the NSA had paid him to put a back door in BSD and everybody scrambled for the next 48 hours to make it to say reasonably sure that it wasn't a true story.
And the other thing, well, you're, well, you're on here, Jonathan.
I had invited Mike Ray and Trenton Matthews on the show from the newsletter because they're both blind users and had complained that the eSpeak voice that we have on there that
announces the show summary and the length and all that so people can say if they want to listen to the show or skip, they found at least that voice annoying or at least Trenton did.
And so about a month ago when that was going on, I had to play a little bit with text to speech.
And, you know, while I ran into, you know, you guys who use them all the time probably don't even notice, but my experience with text to speech was that, you know, I found the default eSpeak British English voice, a male voice, far easier to understand than any of the add on voices.
The add on voices certainly sounded more natural, but they were harder for me to, you know, for me to grip.
So I've got, that's broad.
So, you know, I kind of want to bring that, but first, what I want to talk about, I mean, we, you know, you're always in mumbles, so we don't think about it.
But when I invited both of them, they said, well, mumbles, a QT application and is incredibly inaccessible.
In other words, I don't think they're going to be here because I typed them up some instructions because I've never even looked at it.
Our, our, our how to mumble PDF document is incredibly visual.
You know, there, there's like half a dozen screenshots of dialogue windows and about 20 words of text and the whole thing.
So it's not fair.
It isn't very accessibility friendly at all.
Well, I tried to type a mump something, but they said, well, you know, still without being able to, you know, to hear anything when, when, when they're navigating mumble, it's, it's not much good to them.
Yeah.
QT normally is not very accessible or generally speaking, but mumble surprisingly is extremely accessible.
Don't ask me why, but I can, I can totally, you know, get a, you know, a new installation install mumble and I can, you know, sit up any server, I can access everything I need to within a mumble.
So it's surprisingly very accessible.
That's strange. I wonder what the problem is because I've been corresponding with Mike and he installed mumble and said, well, I can't, I can't do a thing with it because nothing speaks to me.
Yeah, it's, it's not intuitive, but it is accessible. Like you need to, you need to press alt s to kind of get to the, you know, the settings where all the stuff is to add the server.
And you can, you can get, you can, I can get to every sort of option right from there just by pressing alt s. It's not intuitive because right away, if you open mumble like nothing talks, you push the arrow keys around, you hit the tab key, nothing's happening.
But if you press alt s that brings up the menu and you can get to everything that way, and then you can start to navigate through mumble.
So it's not, it's not, you know, obvious how to do it, but it is extremely accessible. If you, if you do know how to use it, the only thing that isn't really accessible is when you guys are chatting.
I can't really get to that chat box and like, you know, message someone or go back to a chat box and like click on the link. That's the only thing that isn't accessible.
But to use it the way I am right now, totally accessible.
Well, that's what I mentioned to him. I knew that that part was not accessible at any time you showed up on the server. Somebody has to drag you into the, to the right channel.
Even that, even that part's accessible now.
Cute. Yeah, I like and hear you still sound chaser.
Yeah, he just can't talk back.
So just some people know I typed in the text box instance.
This Jonathan was saying he couldn't get to it. I take it and I said, oh, good. If I need to hide from Jonathan, I know where to go now.
Hey, sound chaser.
Not to harp on levels too much, but you're over-amping a teens.
I don't have figures. It's probably pulsing up. Oh, I'll adjust it.
Well, I think you're, you're not bad.
Got excited and laughing like that. Yeah, it did bleed some.
Yeah, it was just when you laughed it peaked out, but normally talking, it's fine.
Okay, no one be funny.
How's that? Sounds good.
So how you been, Jonathan? I haven't spoken to you since so I laughed.
Yeah, pretty good. You know, just laying low.
I've, some people may or may not have noticed, but there's not going to be a Northeast Linux fest again under my watch.
I don't let that domain go and I realized.
We lost Jonathan.
My back now. You are.
Okay, so yeah, so I just realized, you know, trying to do too much stuff, I basically don't get much done of anything.
So now I'm just trying to strictly focus on sonar and really, you know, get that to be what I want it to be.
So no more, no more Northeast Linux fest.
Yeah, I found that when I, unusual, we talked or corresponded the other day, Jonathan.
I mean, you didn't start now for the first year.
Did you get more involved like the second year?
So, you know, you just don't have any help up there with it because I thought there were plenty of people who, you know,
always talked about, yeah, Nelson, the best show. That's the one we want to go to.
Yeah, no, I was the one that started it and, you know, I did get a lot of help.
But the last year or two, it just, you know, we had kind of less and less help.
And I just ended up doing me and Bruce Patterson and I'm doing a lot of the work.
And it just got to be too much and it's too hard to pull off, you know, an event with two people, three people, four people.
A lot of people would help on the day of the event, but leading up to it, it was, you know, one or two, three people doing stuff.
It just took a lot of work and a lot of time.
And, you know, I just started sitting back and thinking, you know what?
All this time I put in enough I could have put in a sonar.
And so, I'm just trying to peel everything, you know, strip everything down and focus solely on sonar now.
Well, it's like anything else. If you want to have something come off, you've got to be willing to put the work in.
And I'm not talking about you, I'm talking about all those other folks who enjoyed NELT and always talked about how great it was and then weren't there, you know, to keep it going.
Yeah, I mean, yeah, there's still plenty of other stuff going on.
There's always Libre playing it too in Boston, so it's not like there's not going to be any other, you know, conferences in the area.
So there's still that and there's all kinds of other conferences everywhere else.
I'm pretty sure, you know, no, it won't really be missed too badly.
Yeah, I will say that like, especially having them so close to each other in time, it was really, it was like, I have to pick one.
Especially when it ended up being like a, well, it was a flight for me. I'm sure other people, it wasn't so bad.
But having to go to two conferences in the same area and two weeks was a bit much, especially when their personal conferences for me.
Yeah, yeah, exactly. And, you know, and also with the other, you know, the other Linux fast, it's like, okay, well, you know, self is kind of around the June May time and, you know, a house to September October.
So you try not really try not to step in any toes and spread it out. And it's just, it's kind of hard now.
So that's why I was like, you know, there's so many other conferences going on.
I don't think a, you know, NELT won't be, won't be terribly missed.
So that's why I just figured I'd let the domain expire and carry on.
Well, Ken's done around. What is he skipping out this year?
Must be. Oh, boy.
No, I can't have the word today.
I was going to jump in Jonathan and say that unfortunately you had gotten here just after I had explained the chess clock metaphor.
So they have all been initiated.
Okay, good. So everyone's in on it now.
Yeah, I was actually going to ask you if you brought your chess clock with you.
Oh, no, no, we just, we keep an internal chess clock.
We just know we're good like that.
Oh, no, I'm not going to break hearts before you do, though. I will say that.
No, why is that?
I don't know. I just don't think it's fair. I mean, you and I, you know, I said I would get pretty body if I needed to.
I mean, not like we're going to have to cut this out, but I don't know how tasteless we want to get on this because we're being courted.
Well, usually because people tend to get snuckered towards evening wherever they are.
I do want to remind people we always flag the New Year's Eve show as not safe for work.
So I say go for it. Go, uh, go cards against humanity.
Oh, I wasn't that watching.
You have to be careful playing that game with me because when we have tragedy in our lives, we make commemorative cards as a way to deal with our negative emotions on it.
Oh, I was so you got to be careful with that.
That means to take it much, much farther than other people do.
Hey, so I just checked and if anybody, if you decide that the internal clock is not good enough, there is actually a package at least in Debian called Game Clock, which actually has all the different types of clocks that's up for setups for chess for like speed chess and Fisher chess and other different chess games.
Oh, I can say is, is it a QT application time?
The clock has been started.
Okay, you know, I said it wasn't going to break hearts. I couldn't resist.
Exactly.
Okay.
That's too long.
Okay, Python GTK.
So.
Oh, well, at least I got the good joke off.
It's nice to see you. It's accessible.
I'm going to step away from the keyboard for a second. I need some breakfast.
Oh, no. So 5150 back to you kind of talked about the eSpeak voice or whatever.
I'm assuming Mike and Trent and we're kind of staying there. They like the sound of it.
Unfortunately, is that really any good solutions yet for, you know, free software kind of speech synthesizers?
There is open Mary TTS, which I still think that's kind of the best solution sort of the best solution right now.
And it works, you know, the only sort of downfall, I guess, is its Java base.
So, you know, it works off Java.
But for me, I'll sacrifice quality of voice for speed and response.
And eSpeak is just so downright fast. I mean, I listened to it at 300 words a minute.
So, you know, if, and I'm working on getting that to talk even faster.
But, you know, with the better sounding voices, yeah, they sound better.
But when you start cranking them up at 300 words a minute, they start to break up and distort and crackle.
And they no longer sound good anyways. And they don't perform well when you speed them up.
So, I'll take performance and speed over quality of voice any day of the week.
The open Mary TTS voices do sound pretty good when they're, when they're sped up.
They do still kind of lose a little bit of performance when you start cranking them up.
But so far though, I think that's kind of the best solution we have right now.
And I'm still working on implementing trying to use Mary TTS with Orca.
So, yeah, I said, I did a little playing around.
And I was going to, you know, thought we talked to people some about how to get them installed and et cetera.
Because a lot of people probably have to ever mess with the text to speech packages.
And I thought of it as, you know, in regards to now,
Amazon's come up with the stupid Amazon Echo, which is they should probably call it, you know, NSA microphone in your living room.
But I was thinking surely there's probably a way to do something a lot cheaper with Raspberry Pi or, you know, even better single board computer.
But, you know, right now I'm trying to concentrate on about three things.
So, if I drop out in the conversation, it, you know, it's because I'm trying to go on IRC.
I'm still trying to, my first three hours edited because apparently I was, I was way low and Ken can't hear me hardly.
And he is a version.
So, I'm trying to see if I can't, you know, at least give him the option if he wants to use my edited version where I'm still low, but at least I'm audible.
And, you know, so I've been talking since four o'clock this morning and I'm trying to do about six things all at once now.
So, I hope we can get more than two people talking in the channel and keep things going.
Looks like no.
Maybe best if I put my microphone like actually in a place where it actually can pick up my voice.
I'm back.
That was pretty good actually.
It was like the voice in the back of the room like, you know, like no, I guess your brain is saying nope, no one's going to talk.
Sorry, 50.
You're still really low peg wall.
peg wall is just very low by his very nature.
Boom, boom.
Dude, time.
Ouch!
I was going to say, you know, if you want to get peg wall to raise his levels a bit, we can just tell him that we're going to invite him out for Greek food.
How about no?
Like, like, peg wall, have you got something like wrapped around your face or something?
It sounds like you're completely muffled.
Are you like mummified or something?
He's going to reboot, so we'll give him some time.
Time?
What?
No.
So how is Sonar Linux coming, Jonathan, to ask the obvious question?
Well, actually, we put a few months ago, we put out our first version based off of Mancaro, which is based off of Arch.
And then, hopefully, the next couple of days, we could have another release out with Nome 314.
So, that's going pretty well.
Once we get this next version out, we're going to start working on tweaking some more things, actually within Sonar.
We're working on some voice to text recognition software, and hopefully working on getting some better quality sounding voices within Sonar.
I don't know if anyone else on here uses Nome or not, but as of Nome 314, I'm officially a fan again.
Of Nome, it is very fast, it performs great, and I've finally come around to, you know, their thoughts of how they wanted the desktop to work in function.
So, once you kind of grasp the concept of how they intended you to use it, it does actually come quite usable.
Oh, okay.
Does it still require 3D acceleration?
Unfortunately, yes.
Which is rather entertaining considering how you use it.
Yes, it is.
That's the one downfall and the one harp that I do still have on it.
It's kind of ridiculous, you know, as a blind person to require 3D acceleration.
But, you know, there's not much that can be done about it.
The Mate desktop is coming along really well.
Me and a few of the guys on the Sonar team have been working with the actual Mate developer,
who is actually the lead developer of Ubuntu Mate.
And he's done a ton of stuff for us to make sure that Mate has become really accessible.
I would say right now, Mate is about as accessible as, you know, Nome 2 was before they killed it off.
So, he's done a lot of work and it's really appreciated.
Yeah, that's been a really frustrating point with, like, especially a lot of those fully free distributions, you know, that rip everything out that's even remotely proprietary.
Like, Trisk gal.
And so, like, yeah, you can get, I think they were using dubbians, Nome 3 fallback for a while.
And it's like, great, you know, the only, you know, you have to have, like, a specific kind of computer.
And even then, it's not perfect because you still have, like, the Intel management firmware.
But, like, you're using Intel drivers and that's it.
Like, if you really want, like, something that's fully free and accessible,
and I don't really like that kind of trade-off that you'd have to make.
Yeah, it's tough to be like, hey, yeah, we have this fully free, you know, operating system, and it's accessible.
It's great, but you can use it on these three computers.
Are you sure one of them is not a Mac?
Yeah, exactly.
But yeah, so, and also the Ubuntu Mate developer, I keep trying his name.
His name is Martin, I think.
He also made sure that Ubuntu Mate was extremely accessible, too.
So, he took a lot of notes from Sonar, and he just said that, you know, he wanted to make sure Ubuntu Mate was as accessible as possible, also.
So, we appreciated him taking those extra steps, also.
Good, glad to hear it.
All right, folks, here's a question of the day. Is it Raspberry Pi? Good enough from Lumble.
If you're using the Pi right now, voice is coming in, but it sounds like you're a little bit underwater.
It's like he's being recorded back on a cassette player or something.
Well, I am using it now.
It was sort of the project for the day to see if it would work.
I've messed with the latency, and to listen is fine, but it doesn't look like the talking part is up to snuff yet.
Maybe I can try and find something else to remove to free up some more clock cycles.
Do you have it overclocked?
Sorry, that was my fault. Go ahead, Jonathan. Do you have it overclocked?
Yes, I do.
Oh, okay.
Oh, wait. No, I don't. This is arch. I haven't overclocked it.
I bet you if you get it up to the one gigahertz spot, it might help you out.
I'll try that. I've been working on this minimalistic computing, and it's fun.
I was going to say it does kind of sound like you're talking through a pie, and I don't mean like talking on the computer.
I mean, you actually have a baked good shoved up to your mouth.
Okay.
Well, I guess I'm going to jump off and reset some overclocking.
And see what happens.
Well, that makes me feel better because my recording, at least for what it's worth, is running on a pie.
But I'm running raspy, and I do have it overclocked to the max.
So if that's the key, then hopefully I'm not getting horrible, choppy audio.
But let's all keep our fingers crossed on that.
But yeah, I was recording on the laptop, but I'm having real...
Well, I tried to switch to Google DNS, and I had to switch back, and it's introduced some really strange in S connectivity issues.
I mean, it just falls, the laptop falls off DNS every couple hours, and the only way to get it back is to do up down on the ethernet jacks.
So that means I can't reliably record on the laptops.
So I hope everybody else's recordings are going well.
Take a breather for a second.
Do you believe it's a new year somewhere?
I really have to turn off that Texas speech.
Are you guys messing with your settings? Is it causing me to miss conversation pieces?
Are you missing me talking?
I don't know.
Well, I don't know about missing, but he didn't hear you.
Yeah, I've got the schedule here.
So if I'm not off some place, greetings to China, and 12...
But we need to replace that 12 more stack of facial places.
Beijing, Hong Kong, vanilla, and Singapore.
Me, how?
Oh, that was you, co-operative.
See, I couldn't even tell who it was, all I could tell was that somebody was talking.
Well, can you hear me right now?
Yeah, you sound deeper like you're talking through sodium hexafluoride or something,
so I didn't actually recognize your voice.
Or maybe it's just the fact that when we usually talk on the phone,
it cuts out so much bass that I didn't actually recognize you.
No, this would be just rolling out of bed voice.
Ah, the hungover voice.
No, just the not much sleep and not looking forward to staying up all night again.
Well, you can take naps, the other options, you know, I was expecting you to have more of a Canadian accent by this point.
Oh, hell no.
Yeah, eh?
Beauty.
I actually just hopped on because I just woke up and it just happened to be a perfect time to break the recording for a new year.
And I just wanted to say that I'll be back by in a couple hours to get to go buy a USB headset and drop off some stuff.
My in-laws because they're head down to the country today.
Yeah, you guys are going to force Ghostreaper to jump on here and remind us that all,
that whole Bob and Doug McKinsey accent thing is only the far western part of Canada as I understand it from him.
Or the far eastern, but, you know, I was hoping to hear a couple more boots out of his mouth before he went left for the store.
Oh, I'm still here. I haven't run out yet.
There's still time.
What's your talking boot?
Go ahead, SoundJaser.
I was going to say that wasn't right. You said about instead of a boot.
No, I'm just going to be headed out in a boot today.
Going out for a rip?
I hate that thing.
Gotcha.
Well, if you just woke up, you've missed some stuff.
I mean, we've been talking about like free phones and free phone where he missed that discussion.
And then Jonathan and I have been explaining how exactly we're going to be terrible people today.
He missed that.
And there was the mandatory firearms discussion about an hour ago.
And we got that out of our system. So, floor's open, man.
It looks like I could get a firearm's permit.
You're frickin' blind.
Yeah, but I can get one. I've done some homework on it.
Well, it is your freedom, too.
Watch out, people.
Are you able to get a handgun?
I don't know. I even got that jam, but I just started checking into it like a few months ago,
because I was like, you know, can blind people get permits?
And ever, you know, never really thought about it.
So, I started calling around and it looks like, I guess it varies from state to state,
or when you could jump in on this, you probably know way more than I do.
But it looks like in Massachusetts, you only have...
It looks like in Massachusetts, I just have to go to like the local police station.
You kind of have a, I don't know, like a four-hour class you have to kind of sit in on.
And once you do that, I guess you just kind of have a...
It's not an interview, but you have a discussion with the chief of police, I guess.
And once you do that, good to go.
And then you get...
Then you got to pay the couple hundred bucks or whatever for the license.
Yeah, you're in Massachusetts though, so no handguns for you, sir.
Okay, I guess it's just AK-47s for me.
I don't even know if they allow those in mass.
They're pretty tight on their gun walls.
Yeah, yeah, but Cobra, too, I can be... What? This is an AK-47? I thought this was a Newsy.
We'll just hand him a flare gun and tell him it's a Desert Eagle 50.
Time.
Damn it, I got caught.
Oh, I do have to run to the store. I get to buy a new USB headset because mine is packed and some box that's not labeled office.
I thought it would be a box...
I thought it would be a box labeled bomb or something.
Would you know the difference time?
I'm missing the time thing.
All right, fine. It'll be quick.
Imagine there is a sign on the wall that says, number of minutes since a blind joke.
Every time we say time, it resets to zero.
Just so you know, the first part of the show notes for this segment is going to read guns for the blind.
Time.
Oh, perfect. That'll piss off almost everybody.
Pegwall has guns.
He's so blind he can't drive, but he can still see.
Well, he can take a better photograph than I can, so maybe he can probably shoot better as well. It wouldn't take much.
Ask Peter 64.
We should give Jonathan a camera and see how good he is.
Just see if he can show Pegwall off.
Didn't they already hand you a video camera at OLF, Jonathan?
At self when Peter 64 was here, he...no, we can't, Pegwall.
At self, Peter 64 gave me his camera and he's like, hey, he takes some pictures of me.
But he set his camera to record his video.
And so he's yelling at me. He's like, come on, Jonathan, you're not even aiming at the camera at me.
And I'm like laughing so hard because it was just so funny. He was like laying into me.
And so he recorded the whole thing on video when I was holding the camera.
I thought I was taking pictures, but he actually set it to record the video.
So the whole time I'm holding it, I'm like, I'm pushing the button. I don't think it's doing anything.
Oh, good job. But seriously, I'm running out.
Probably in about an hour, and then I'll be here today.
Okay. Hey, John, welcome back. How's your sound?
Well, let's say, do I sound any better now?
I'd say it's about the same. Maybe slightly better.
Yeah, it is slightly better.
Okay, well, that's that turbo.
If it isn't usable, it isn't usable.
But I'm quite impressed with the Raspberry Pi for 40 bucks.
Has anyone taken the Banana Pi for a ride at all? Has anyone gotten one of those?
Guess that's a no.
Yeah, I've mostly stayed away from the little embedded systems.
I've got some relatives evaluating the Beagle Boom Black and stuff like that.
And it's just like, I don't know.
Whichever one you pick, it's going to be basically an ARM processor with a bunch of stuff on it.
And it's just sort of like, do you want a bunch of different peripherals?
Do you want something built into the board?
I've just kind of stood back. I don't really know if I need it for anything.
Yeah, there's one cool. I think 5150 has a version of this one.
I saw one like, it's called the old, old droid X2.
And that one actually has a quad core exonose processor with two gigs of RAM in it.
Actually, the equivalent would be the U3 now.
They have a $35 B1, which is quad core, the processor quad core GPU.
Same form factor, and almost 40 pin compatible with the pie.
So if you're looking at pie, you may want to go to hardturnl.com and go scrolls above and page.
And see if you be interested.
Otherwise, they've got the U3, which has got two giga RAM.
The C1's only got one gig.
Also quad core CPU GPU.
And then they've got the, oh, the UX3, which has that optical processor.
But it's the one where you usually use either the four slow cores or the four fast cores.
And it's like a hundred bucks.
Well, I guess more than that.
It's quite a bit more.
But I think the American carrier has like a UX3 light, which is only a hundred bucks.
And I'm not sure really what the difference is between them.
And there's a site like a meridroid that has that.
But the UX3 from hardcurls is quite a bit more expensive.
And the Linux kernel, they did right after the phones came out that had that dual quad core processor.
They did modify the Linux kernel to allow use of all eight cores at once.
Because originally it was either the four slow or the four fast, but not all of them.
So I assume now that UX3, you can run all eight cores and a four core GPU and two giga RAM.
Did I stop conversation or have I dropped off?
Oh shoot, we missed the last hour, didn't we?
Well, that too.
Greetings to Indonesia.
I'm supposed to be one doing it.
Greetings to Indonesia.
Thailand and seven more Jakarta Bangkok, Illinois and Phnom Penh.
If only I knew how to speak any of their languages.
Yeah, exactly.
You know, at least enough to say like hello or happy new year or something to them.
We've lost a little again.
And somebody remind me we've been another one at the 30 minute work.
Did we ever have peg wall?
No, no, I guess it's kind of like a disease.
Time.
No, that's not a blind joke.
Hey, sound chase, I think you said a little while ago you said you're on kernel panic.
You're in the kind of in the market for a new laptop. Did you ever get one?
I have not gotten one.
I don't know if I want to get a new laptop or I just want to grab like an SSD and put it into the laptop I've got.
I'm kind of torn between being thrifty and getting something new and sleek.
The SSD will make all the difference in the world.
Once I start using those things, there's no turning back.
I have an SSD and a Core 2 Duo notebook right now.
And the thing is blazing fast.
Yeah, the thing is this is an older laptop and it's bigger and bulkier.
And so that's where the consideration has come in is getting something that's nice, light,
easier to carry about as well or just being thrifty.
I say time.
That you do.
Well, I mean, I can tell you that my wife was using a, it was like a, it was a 1.8.
I don't even know if it was a P4, it was one of the earlier cores.
It was a ThinkPad T61, if someone wants to go poke at that, it was pretty old.
And she decided, after talking to a lot of the laptop vendors at all,
that she was going to grab a, the ThinkPanguin Snaps or Snares, I think it's called.
I don't really know why.
And I'm sure all of you will.
Did she decided that she wanted to put a Core i7 into it and had 16 gigs of RAM.
But she did.
And then she asked to install LXDE on it.
Oh snap.
Hey guys, can you keep all those raw resources available for anything you can need them for?
Exactly.
I actually, I switched here to KDE yesterday.
Mainly because LXDE was starting to have really nasty problems as sound tracer
can probably rant about here for the next five minutes and I'll give you a chance to do it.
It was actually having a lot of problems with Chrome crashing and other things like that.
And the Ubuntu desktop does not bring in the Avahi auto discovery packages, you know, the Zero Conf.
So she couldn't see my printer and that was fun.
Neither could I.
Time.
God damn it.
Fine, fine, I'm dying.
But it's soundtracer.
What was LXDE?
Was it the LXQT or was it old school LXDE?
It was whatever comes in the Ubuntu, probably the Ubuntu desktop I'm guessing.
That would probably just be old school LXDE.
Yeah, I'm not sure if they switched over to LXQT or not.
Even with LXQT, it's still, I don't even think they have version 1.0 out yet.
But it's still, you know, I wouldn't say it's completed.
So it's price quite rough around the edges.
I have to admit, I was disappointed when I heard that Razer QT was going to join the LXDE group
that kind of disappointed me.
I'm not going to really rant about LXDE.
I mean, if you really want to know about my problems with LXDE, they can talk to me outside of here.
I've ranted about it before.
I think I ranted about it last year on this show.
And I think I've ranted about it at least two or three times on kernel panic.
And, you know, I just don't think I need to propagate that too much further.
I did, what was the other thing?
You did say something that I was wanting to mention.
Oh, Chrome crashing.
Actually, I am having problems with Chrome crashing.
And I still have not figured them out.
And all I can guess at this point is there is something going on with their JavaScript interpreter.
Because certain sites I go to, I can literally open one site and it will crash it every single time.
And including one of those being duck duck go, we'll just automatically crash it.
And no error, no nothing.
It just boom gone.
That's a new feature.
It's called Use Google, you free-tard.
But no, my wife's crash, Chrome crash so hard, it ended up restarting in French.
Guys.
Sorry, Kevin was talking to me in IRC.
He asked me why not XFCE?
I just responded, I love XSE.
That's my primary desktop.
That's what I've been using now for several years.
And it's probably the most comfortable desktop I've got or I've seen.
I'm not impressed with either KDE or newer GNOME stuff at all.
I switched back and forth between either open box or GNOME 3.
It just depends how I feel.
And how do you feel today, Pegwool?
Hmm, feeling kind of GNOME 3 today.
Especially with all the rebooting I've had to do to get things working.
It's going to be one of those days I think.
One of those days that you're happy that some Linux distributions have actually cared about boot speed.
Pretty much, yeah.
My day is my day.
Go ahead.
Well, it's just going to say, I know where this is going.
Every podcast in the last six months has gone.
Now we're going to have to start talking a knit versus system D.
I actually know I was going to take it someplace else, but okay.
No, please take it somewhere else.
Look, system D forever.
We're glad that we have you on record, Pegwool.
But we know that you just really have trouble seeing the truth.
Time.
Time.
Now I was going to say, my day is going to be mostly spent being a window assist admin.
So, you know, a knit versus system D would be something refreshing.
Trying to get this dev server built up by the end of the year.
And let me tell you, I would love an actual featured full command prompt.
And don't say PowerShell because I will come to your house and I will cut you.
Well, you've got 13 hours and 40 minutes go at least in my time zone.
Yeah, I don't know how successful I'm going to be.
I've gotten the mobile site up, which is good.
But the other one has a lot of legacy that is assigned to it.
We have a service that needs to be in its own virtual pool and all this other stuff.
And it's like, I don't want to do this.
It's not my forte.
I'm a developer.
I'm not a server admin.
Well, I'm going back to typings. I've got a couple of articles I want to get out before the...
I'd like to get them out in the next couple hours.
So, I'm going to try to finish these up.
You don't have your mic on while your typing will be okay.
No, I'm on press the talk, so no problem there.
What's your push to talk key?
Scroll lock.
Good choice.
My right control.
I don't even think I have a scroll lock key on this keyboard.
It's a good choice because you almost use it for nothing.
I've never figured out why we don't actually use scroll lock for its actual intended purpose.
Which was to keep it so that you can only scroll in certain directions or the arrow keys scroll rather than using page up, page down.
It was to actually scroll the whole screen or window instead of doing up and down like the normal cursor keys.
Yeah, but that's what page up and page down are for.
No, because page up and page down are relative to the file size.
Whereas scroll locking is relative to the screen size.
What if I'm not using a screen?
Well, then it makes a good push to talk key.
It certainly does.
It actually still does anyway.
Yeah, I was going to say like...
I was asking what kind of, you know, what your push to talk key was in case you wouldn't accidentally hit it while typing.
Due to the weirdness of my keyboard, I'm actually using the delete key for push to talk.
I would never be able to use that key for push to talk key.
Well, normally I have mumble set up for gaming.
And the keys I have available to my left thumb, which is, you know, because I use my left hand to navigate, because I'm right handed.
It are control, alt, backspace, home, and and delete.
And backspace is my jump key, which confuses the hell out of other gamers.
I chose right arrow because it was there.
Are you sure it's not the greater than sign?
Time.
That one was a low-quality joke, but I'll let it stand.
Well, I don't have fun typing.
I think that one went over my head for some reason.
Pegel is not blind, he's low-vision, but we're including him on the blind jokes.
Well, well, you know, if we're mentioning aiming, of course this was still back on my windows gaming days,
and I'll probably place it some time if they still have it.
I had one of those USB deals where you had a partial keyboard, so you could set where your long fingers would rest,
and then you could use actually, you know, left-right forward back was like a hat that was under your thumb.
The weird thing had defaulted to a big key under your thumb also to jump, which didn't work out at all,
so I had always had to read that.
I never got a chance to try and see for compatibility on Linux.
It might have been a lot more difficult for that because, of course, the software to change the configuration was windows.
I don't know if we could probably change what default key did in each game rather than changing the configuration on the device,
because anybody tried one of those because, man, for shooter, that tech just was so much better than the standard keyboard.
Yeah, I mean, mouse aiming really changed that.
The one thing I'd say is how does it plug into your system?
Was it USB or was it the old 15-pin game port?
No, it was USB. As far as the system was concerned, it was another keyboard.
I was going to say maybe, if the joystick shows up as a joystick, then the only thing you'd have to do is,
there's some USB kernel module, I know some way right, that it allows you to sniff USB events so you can reverse engineer devices.
No, the hat showed up as...
Colorspin so long, WSID.
WSID. I use ESDF myself because I'm an old quick player.
Means I don't have to move my hands off the home run, but...
That's weird that the hat would show up as keys, but I guess this is back before USB Joysticks were big,
or if it was probably made as a device so that you could play your older games with it that didn't do joystick input.
Well, you know, for shooters, really a joystick isn't all that good because you do have mouse aiming.
This was intended so that you could use your left thumb for movement.
It wouldn't do any good to switch because it was shaped like your hand.
And you keep your right hand on the joystick.
And then you had enough assignable keys other to do jump, use, you know, open door, etc.
that were under your long fingers on your left hand.
You had a couple of rows of ease.
Now, the one thing I used a lot in GTA, but it totally messed up flying.
Well, it depends. I had that in hack where you could actually control vehicles with the joystick.
And it didn't work with that at all. So, you know, I had to go back to controlling everything with a mouse and keyboard.
Yeah, I do know that there's a program called Joy to Key for Windows.
I don't know if there's anything like that for Linux mainly because I don't care.
I mean, I have a... I have a Cytac Rumble Force. I think it's the P2500.
The Rumble doesn't work. It's a fine controller.
Apparently, with newer versions of SDL, it actually shows up as a controller, not just as a joystick.
So, meaning it actually kind of mimics like the Xbox 360 controllers that all the gamers use to plug in the machines these days.
If I weren't using Debian Stable, it probably is fine and testing.
I just haven't moved it forward or tried to boom to something like that.
Then that would work.
I think it's called Xbox DRV, Xbox Drive or something like that.
This one, it actually allows a joystick to emulate a Xbox controller.
And the Rumble Force is supported, which is nice, but as I said, my SDL is so old it shows up as a joystick, not as a controller.
So, I'm stuck playing some of these games from the Humble Store with a keyboard and a mouse anyway.
Okay, I want to break in here and say Happy New Year to my MR, Coco Silent Jangan,
Nay, Pi, Eda, Mandalay, and Vanim.
Happy New Year.
Happy New Year.
Hey, bro, are you using Debian due to, you know, for free software purposes or is there another reason why you're using Debian?
That was the main reason.
Hold on, phone call.
I do know this, if you take a PS4 controller or PS3 controller and hook it up to your Linux box via USB, it'll just read it and it'll work.
Yeah, I was looking at that.
Well, I bought an old original Xbox, so the yard sale probably paid, I paid $10 for it, so it wouldn't hurt too bad.
But just to play with XBMC, though, these days, of course, for FedR, you've got to have one or two games to software hack it.
Plus a converter from one of the game controller ports to an SD card so that you could load software on it so you can get in and load XBMC.
So by the time you get all of that, it's going to be cheaper to run out to the store and buy yourself a Blu-ray player almost.
But I was just doing it for a project and I haven't really got it done.
Yeah, it's still sitting there.
I lost my trimmer. Oh, oh, controllers, yeah.
Well, I did look in the box. I've got a couple original Xbox controllers and a Nintendo game system controller.
And I did find out just about anything other Nintendo, it's just a simple plug that you can buy for a couple bucks off Amazon.
But if you've got a Nintendo controller, then you have to go through a box that has some logic in it.
And they seem to be about 20 to 30 bucks on those.
Just random technical information throwing it out there.
I thought we said earlier we weren't going to talk about console systems.
I thought you were going to talk about them because you had nothing to talk about.
And besides what I was doing, I thought it gave a podcasting.
You know, you've been podcasting with him like the last couple weeks, haven't you?
He has spoiled it. You spoiled my premise.
I was just reading the IRC. I'm a crotchety old man.
You are.
I don't know. You need to bring step ladder and come over here and we'll do it out man to man.
Look, I'll show up there when you grow full head of hair.
Okay, you got it.
So it's looking like my New Year's Eve party is going to go to the rain tonight.
It's raining pretty good right now. I don't know if it's pretty good, but it's raining.
Hey, where did my invite go?
Oh, Jonathan, buddy. How are you? Merry Christmas. Happy New Year.
Good. How you doing?
Buddy, I miss you.
Well, where's my invite?
You can come here anytime you like.
In fact, my Genesis Coop is at my house in New York.
If you get to Long Island, you can drive it down.
Perfect on my way.
Me and info look up will come down.
Oh, yeah, cool.
Yeah, if you learned how to drive a stick, you could drive it.
Yeah, he was fun.
Well, you can teach him to shoot and drive all the same weekend.
Jonathan or...
Yeah, I'm wishing my Tiki Hut was better roofed, because the roof is coming apart,
because then it's lightly raining here.
And it's probably going to continue that throughout the evening.
I looked at the aviation forecast. They said vicinity showers.
And we, like I said, we're planning on hanging out by the fire pit
and roasting marshmallows, making smores and that kind of thing.
It's supposed to roast the pig in the fire pit.
Yeah, too many Jews around here.
Oh, yeah, that wouldn't go over well.
Wow, really?
Well, I think I'm going to be the only Christian at the party tonight.
Can we get back to something more fun to talk about?
Yeah, blind people.
Yeah, blind people.
Yeah, blind people.
Yeah, blind people.
Yeah, blind people.
Yeah, blind people.
That was beautiful.
That was beautiful.
You weren't even at OLF.
You don't get to do that.
He does now.
We grandfathered him in.
Yeah, screw you, pal.
Hey, bro, have you ever checked out Parabola?
Um, I think so.
The name sounds familiar.
You might include me in as to what it is again.
It's a free software arch Linux basically.
Okay, yeah, I've heard of it because you know,
it shows up on those lists of like free software distros.
I had not.
Because I was just thinking that could be it.
You know, not that you want to have to reinstall your whole system
just to get the SDL stuff for your controller.
But if you are looking to get newer packages,
Parabola might be the answer.
Yeah, I might take a look at it.
I mean, I just stuck with Debian because I'm familiar
with the way the install system and stuff works.
And you know, I was going to make some joke about how arch is
supposed to be like, has this huge learning curve.
And it's like, yeah, you're building an accessible Linux
off the most like inaccessible base I can think of.
Well, the, uh, man, Jaro,
they built like a really awesome build system.
So I'm utilizing that.
They kind of tweaked it a little bit for me.
But I'm utilizing their build system to make the ISOs and all that stuff.
Are you sending a lot of stuff upstream?
Yeah, yeah.
Actually, man, Jaro, whatever changes we make,
and they push them into their stuff too.
So it's pretty cool.
That's awesome.
Yeah, I mean, I've just been kind of,
I've been playing mostly games that are either, you know,
keyboard and mouse oriented or something where if I don't have a controller,
it's not going to kill me.
I mean, but for some of the stuff that, you know,
it's like some of the games I've picked up.
It's like, I really kind of wish I had a controller for this.
Especially though, even though my keyboard is Cherry MX Brown switches,
and they're very nice, and they feel great on my fingers,
I think this is two key, maybe three.
It's definitely not NK roll over.
So I can keyboard geek out on you guys here if you want.
Are they clacky?
No, the Cherry switches aren't clacky.
I mean, there is actually a little speaker in this thing.
It's the Kinesis Advantage.
And the really nice thing I found about it was somebody
took the time to reverse engineer a new,
well, he reverse engineered the hardware,
like to figure out how the lines were hooked up,
and built a free firmware.
So if you're willing to basically solder in a new ROM,
and do that, you can have free firmware for your keyboard,
which is actually very nice considering that was one of the things that was like,
yeah, I'm using all this free software on my computer,
but I have this firmware keyboard that could still like, you know,
I can't really trust it.
Yeah, well, you know, you know,
copy my passwords and stick them in RAM somewhere
and then send them to the NSA,
because that's the only way they're going to break email encryption.
They get your private key,
and they get your password.
That's how they do it.
They don't sit there and brute force it.
So it was like, oh, yeah, I have this,
this great kubar, and now there's free firmware for it,
and it's like, I'm still afraid of the soldering iron.
I mean, this keyboard was $300 when I bought it.
It's $350 now to replace it if I want a new one.
You got a link for that?
I want to take a look at it.
Sure, I'll post it and somebody,
Mr. 50 can stick it in the show notes.
I'll solder for it, man.
Just send it up my way, and I'll take care of it.
Yeah, guys, guys, on that, you know,
at, well, see, two and a half hours,
my time at the minimum,
I'm out of here for pretty much the rest of the afternoon.
I've posted both.
Somebody's doing some editing on the email pad,
and I'm putting my show notes in the,
in the Google Spreadsheet I created.
So I guess so.
At some time, I'll combine them both,
so kid has show notes.
But my point is, I'm going to be here this afternoon,
and I hope some, you know,
and I'm trying to do three things at once,
so I'm not getting all everything down as we go.
So I hope somebody will take on the responsibility
to going into, going into the pad,
which I posted a while back in a hash-off-cast planet
to keep up with the show notes.
Not to bring everybody down,
oh, I think I forgot a 30-minute one.
Greetings, 10 minutes late to Myanmar,
and the Coco's Island Jenga.
No, I did that, okay.
I have been up since 4 a.m.
God bless.
Probably crash, man.
Oh, I wouldn't,
as much coffees I had,
I wouldn't get enough sleep
time I have to go out to the farm to do any good,
but I do hope somebody's planning to,
you know, be on there after around midnight,
U.S. time,
because I think one way or another I'm going to crash
sometime before the recording is over.
Just make sure you don't start snoring
with your push-to-talk key down.
Well, I can always edit in that HPR we recorded.
That was, that was amazing.
Having lived through it,
it was amazing.
Tried to sleep in the same room as that guy.
I did. Well, actually no,
I was on the floor above him
at our cast planet live.
I was also up to about two in the morning.
I think I was making English muffins that night.
Here, and it was like dueling chainsaws.
Jonathan, do you remember seeing Brawman
being in the room at the same time?
No, time.
You walked into that one, dude.
Speaking of that, Brawman,
you should remember if you ever saw
a flying rich.
That's one to remember.
That's one Brawman,
which is he couldn't see.
Time.
Oh, Jesus.
I told you it was going to get bad.
You didn't believe me.
Why didn't you believe me?
No, I don't remember seeing flying rich,
and he doesn't remember me.
It's sort of like we were there at the same conference
and hung out with the same group of people,
but never actually met.
I got to find door to door geek and see what he says.
Yeah, he'd remember me.
We finally met.
You can see.
Was door sober enough this time
to remember meeting anyone?
Wow, that's another question.
I think initially at one point,
I mean, I don't know when he started.
We didn't party with you guys.
We went and hung out with Murf and played
a couple of experimental games.
I don't think we actually got the jungle speed, though.
That wasn't very bad.
I've been trying to think of that the last couple days.
Murf is always a guy you want to hang out with.
Yeah, except when he plays left-handed,
that bastard.
Okay, because K-wisher asked,
high K-wisher,
how long are you making these HDR episodes?
If anybody had looked in the schedule,
I took time to make,
and posted in the newsletter,
then you would know that to make the eight segments
that Kennenori had scheduled,
at 26 hours,
that required two four-hour segments
and the rest of them three-hour.
And I had those done with a cell outline,
and nothing gets to Kevin,
but something about him signing up
on every second cell,
messed that up,
so I'm not quite sure where we are,
and I've been doing too many things
to go back and find that breakdown.
However, Kennen's emailed me
and told me he already has the first four hours posted.
So I'm afraid.
I don't know.
I'm afraid Kennen was clear of one
and right all along,
or he's going to get doing all the editing,
which just isn't fair.
Okay, well, everyone blamed that one on K-wisher.
But thanks.
And this is going to be a problem.
I can't edit the Etherpad and talk at the same time.
Yeah, it thinks about Etherpad
and other stuff like that.
Well, not that I really care about Google Docs,
but anything sort of like that
is totally not accessible at all.
All that JavaScript heavy stuff is not accessible at all.
This is a philosophical question only.
How would anyone be able to keep up
with the multiple editings in such a way
where the...
Because of all the different places
in the document that could be edited at one point,
the amount of voices and the amount of words
would just confuse the heck out of anybody trying to follow along.
So on, it's like on an Etherpad document,
like you can literally sort of go anywhere
within the document, edit it at any point then.
Yes, and multiple people can edit it at the same time.
Yeah, that.
They color code everyone's talking or like typing.
Yeah, it's completely useless for you.
Yeah, that'd be tough.
I don't even know if you could make that accessible,
or if someone would have to be very determined to do it.
Because Orca can pick up sort of live,
I'm not sure what you call it, live.
Like, say if you're on a website and like there's a,
you know, even a timer or something
where, you know, a number's changing or, you know, stuff like that.
Orca can keep up with stuff like that,
but I don't know if it could keep up with like a whole page
kind of just changing in various points at any time.
Yeah, I think that would be ridiculous.
I mean, I've tried using NVDA,
which is the Windows Non-Visual Desktop Access,
which is supposed to be a pretty good free software package
for Windows blind users.
And what's the main thing I do in Windows Visual Studio?
It chokes horribly.
Yeah, that's not surprising.
Well, I mean, like you're editing a source code file
and it like starts reading from the top anytime it changes.
The whole file.
Oh, yeah, yeah, a lot.
Orca will do that too with certain, you know, packages too.
I'm not sure what causes that.
I think it's probably something where it's refreshing to text area
if it's doing some like source code highlighting
and might do that.
I don't know.
I just found it so annoying.
It was like, I am so glad I do not need this software
to be able to use this computer.
Oh, go ahead, say you're so glad you can see.
I know.
That was the meekest time ever.
That's because somebody didn't want to make that call.
Well, I've said it before, Jonathan.
I think everybody here and, you know,
and Trenton and Mike Ray, all of you guys, you know,
I can't imagine, you know, doing what you do, you know,
without being able to see.
I mean, the computer just seems to be like magic.
You know, probably doesn't sound coming out good,
but, you know, just the rest of the life and everything.
There's a lot of things I would rather do without.
Yeah, Orca is speaking of sort of like IDE's.
Orca doesn't work well with like Eclipse at all either.
Pretty much if you're going to like develop from in my experience
with free software Linux, like you just got to use a strip
text editor.
I was going to say, does anything work well with Eclipse?
I've used it.
I like it.
It's not a bad software package.
I mean, except for the fact that it includes its own
freeing and package manager.
And it just reminds me of all the IBM software I have ever used,
including Lotus Notes, which is not a good thing.
It just has this, I don't know, it has this IBMness to it.
And it just, it irks me sometimes.
It was otherwise fine.
I did a couple courses for my master's degree
using entirely Eclipse.
And I didn't have any problems with it.
But yeah, not having some of those niceties I'm really used to,
like source code highlighting and being able to figure out the API
from context-sensitive dropdowns and assistance in the text editor,
you know, which you wouldn't get.
Because I'm not sure those could really be read to you effectively.
I mean, they might be able to, if you're able to, if there was some way
for it to flag that, like, hey, these are the options that you selected.
I mean, I am addicted to control space.
Absolutely addicted to it.
Especially in Visual Studio, where it is nearly impossible to get anything
done without IntelliSense.
To have to drop to a standard text editor,
because that's the only thing that's accessible.
It would be a huge hit to my productivity.
Yeah, and I mean for me, even my computer science classes,
you know, we'd be working on developing something.
And I could be like, you know, 50 lines down from where I, you know,
set a variable and I'd be like, oh shoot, what did I name it again?
Like, you don't jump back up to that.
Okay, that's what I call it.
Okay, yeah, then jump back down to 50 lines.
You know, it was really, really tough.
Yeah, you need a lot of mental discipline that, you know,
you're trying to concentrate on other things.
It's like, oh yeah, I have to remember these variable names.
The other thing was, I have one question for you, Jonathan.
Did you test out at computer graphics?
No, I passed with flying colors.
Time.
Actually, my computer science degree didn't require computer graphics strangely enough.
Yeah, it was elective.
I went for a lot of the math minor heavy courses when I did my undergrad.
When I did grad, I went for systems engineering,
because I had a boss most of the way through that was picky about what courses he would select
to pay for, which was not exactly fun.
When I later learned that he was the only one in the company that was doing that
and everybody else was just like, oh, it's part of a degree program, go for it.
Ah, you know what that is?
You know what an interesting class is when you can't see discrete math.
Time.
No, no, no, that's not funny.
Wow, because I like discrete math.
I mean, it's like, hey, here's all these rules about numbers.
Oh, yeah, you can throw half this shit out because you're only worried about integers.
But, yeah, there's probably a lot of graphing and things like that too
that you just can't see and you can't deal with.
Right, it's just all the some crazy symbols and stuff that was, you know, hard to keep track of too.
Oh, God, especially if they're using some stupid encoding and they're not using like the full unicode standard
that assumes that your text of speech doesn't choke on it.
Exactly.
I mean, everyone else is just worried about if they have the fonts for it or not.
That's awful.
And discrete math is such an important part of computer science.
Oh, yeah, yeah, that was fun times.
Especially when you're doing things like number representation probably wouldn't be too bad
because you can think about it conceptually in terms of the bits and how things are represented.
Numbers are represented.
That might have been okay.
I don't know.
I probably just have to put you in a class and see what you would be able to do
because I guess I can't think like a blind user.
It's really, that's tough for me.
Yeah, I mean, my experience in going when I went back to school was interesting.
I think something, there needs to be some sort of like hybrid or something,
someone needs to consider, because blind kids obviously don't learn the same way as normal kids
or, you know, people I could see.
So when I went to school, I was the first blind student they had in like 20 years.
So none of the teachers really knew how to teach me.
And I wasn't really sure how to approach these subjects
because I had never seen half of this stuff that they were teaching me.
So I couldn't even explain to them.
Well, let's try it this way.
Let's try it that way.
So it was like a learning experience for everyone.
It was, you know, there's some good stuff, some bad stuff.
But it was interesting.
And yeah, there need some, I don't know.
Someone, it'd be cool to sit down with some teachers that were actually interested
in figuring out a way to teach blind students computer science
because I think that would be really effective.
There's a lot of blind people out there that could become programmers.
But, you know, a lot of people slash the system kind of push blind people away
from being programmers.
So that's a whole other topic for another time probably.
But it'd be cool to have teachers that were interested in approaching this topic.
Oh, I've got one for you.
How would a screen reader cope with syntax highlighting?
Like, would it have some, I mean, like, can you have,
let's just assume that we have a perfect screen reader that can do things like
denote when something is a key word or reserved word versus something else.
Phone.
I don't know.
I'll probably wait for Brom to get back so you can hit the answer.
But I imagine it could be done.
But again, it's not a problem right now because I would say, you know,
the majority of blind people aren't necessarily programming.
So they don't see it as a problem or they don't know doing things like that exist,
especially people that are born blind.
They don't realize that you can do, you know, text highlighting and stuff like that.
So again, that's why having teachers that would approach the students knowing they're blind
and just teaching them in a totally different way.
That's why I think it'd be really cool to see something like that done.
Hey, can we get off the blind topic?
It really offends me.
Like being blind is a civil right or anything like that.
Oh, yeah, or guaranteed right in the Constitution.
The Constitution does it.
So I'm assuming you're a strict interpreter then, Rich.
Yes, I am.
Okay, there you go.
We should just ship all blind people off to Australia then.
Then he become a film film people, right?
Have to run the cameras.
Exactly.
Then Australia, the Australian films would be, you know, booming.
They'd be breaking into the sentiments over here in the US and taking off.
Well, yeah, that one that Peter directed with, he was an absolute blockbuster.
Yeah, I can buy that.
And Peter was a good director too.
He gave, you know, good instructions.
He was motivating.
But as motivating as a slave master.
Yeah, exactly.
I'm sorry for dropping out there.
I had a phone call.
No problem.
But I was going to say a problem that I think with like a text highlighting stuff,
that probably could be done somehow.
Like if the screen reader could say, like the color of the text or something,
there's something probably could be done.
But I was saying though, it's interesting because probably the,
I don't want to say the majority or most, but blind people that do program,
especially if they're born blind, they're probably not even told what text
highlighting is because they don't, you know, they've never seen it or, you know,
maybe it doesn't make sense to them.
So that's why I was saying before, like it'd be cool to find teachers
that would approach teacher computer science from a blind perspective
and explaining how, you know, how these things work.
And if a screen reader could utilize those things, it'd be even more interesting.
Yeah, I was thinking one of the long lines words that if it were not just
highlighted colors, but actually semantically sensitive.
And that might be tough to do on a live document.
It's not too bad with HTML.
And it don't mean the JavaScript heavy AJAXY stuff we're getting.
You know, I had a couple, I wanted to talk to you about Orca on that later,
but we'll get back to it.
Like if it's static, you know, it can figure out, oh, this is bold
and you can figure out this is, you know, this is supposed to be read a different way.
This is a section heading and you get this semantic highlighting, which is very nice,
especially with the HTML5 stuff.
And you can even do CSS to say that certain things should be read in different voices
and stuff like that.
And I've never seen anyone do it, but it's in the standard.
But I have absolutely no clue how you would handle that in a document you're actually able to edit.
Yeah, I wouldn't either, actually.
But I guess technically it could be done though.
Yeah, I mean, like you'd have to say something like, you know, would you say like,
would it have it say like variable name or like variable class?
I mean, like, how would you read code in a semantic manner?
That's tough.
That's like PhD level sure right there.
Yeah, and I also said this too.
Unfortunately, this probably none of people are, you know, blind developers that were either,
I don't want to say complaining about this, but, you know, just thinking of something like this,
because again, it's something like that would be totally beneficial,
but there's none of people out there to even ask these types of questions.
Or, again, because of the way they're taught, from a slight perspective,
they're not thinking of these types of questions.
Jonathan, that brings to mind a good question.
I've never really heard you talk whether people working with you are blind or sighted.
What's the stats on that?
As far as like with what?
Developers and, you know, people helping out with the sonar project.
Oh, yes.
Well, I have two other blind guys that are helping out with sonar now.
Like, I, one guy Kyle, he's working on, he works on the known builds and stuff,
and then, excuse me.
And then this other guy, Kendall, he's working on the, the mate version of sonar that we're doing,
and Kyle actually helped out this other distribution called F123.
It's a distribution based in South America, the heat.
This guy does a lot of stuff in a bunch of countries in South America.
And he, we helped him, we helped convert sonar over to his distro.
So now he's using the same kind of build system sonar as an everything for his distro,
which is focused on, you know, his, his distribution specifically focused on just blind people.
So we helped him out moving his distro over to the, the sonar build system and stuff.
So he's been doing that and Kyle helped out this guy with that.
So he's been doing that.
And then Larry Bushy is actually from going Linux.
He did a ton of stuff for us on the website.
So now the sonar website does it look like a blind guy designed anymore?
So that's good.
So the South America, is it also in Spanish?
Yeah, it's in Portuguese, Spanish, I think English.
And I think he even has a few other languages.
I think he, he's worked with some company, not organizations over in like West Africa also.
So he's, he's doing stuff for them over there also.
Now, have you had any conversations with Mad Dog?
Because I know Mad Dog's big, what, what is that country where's Grand Sonson or Godson?
He does, he does a ton of stuff from Brazil.
Yeah, I mean, what kind of conversations have you had with Mad Dog about, you know, accessibility in South America?
In fact, quite a few, he, you know, he says that there's a lot of need down there, obviously.
And he thought it'd be great to, at some point, try and get down there really,
you know, introduce a few organizations to Sonar and see what we could do down there with Sonar.
Oh, very cool.
But I'm going to have to take off for a little bit guys.
I'll bounce back in a little bit later, but everyone have a good day.
Hey, buddy, you're not driving tonight, are you?
Oh, yeah, I'm, I'm the designated driver.
Time.
Alright, since I missed the call out and it looks like 5150 has dropped off the face of the world here.
Um, we're about seven minutes late, but that's okay.
I didn't want to stop good conversation.
Greetings in the new year to much of Indonesia, Thailand, and seven more.
Some cities would be Jakarta, Bangkok, Hanoi, and Phnom Penh.
Or, uh, wait a minute.
Wow, hold on.
And Pekwa has been to all of them.
He has.
It's you.
He's 707.
What the heck?
Ask me what they look like.
Oh, I'll.
Time.
Time.
Oh, you just legally blind.
And that's really a scam.
Yeah, before we get too far past, I'm only showing on my system clock four minutes past.
Greetings to Bangladesh.
Some reasons of Russia.
Daka.
All the tea.
Bishkek.
And Thimthu.
Isn't that next hour?
Because that's 1800 Zulu.
And we're at.
Alright, 1700, I thought.
No, uh, that's the topic.
I put a deal on the top of my schedule to show.
No, okay, you're, you're right 1700.
I maybe got off one.
So I apologize.
Uh, Indonesia, Thailand, Jakarta, Bangkok, Hanoi, Phnom Penh.
You guys are granted an extra hour of 2014.
Use it wisely.
Hey guys, I'm running out for lunch.
Yeah, we're off by one.
We fence posted.
Yeah, and I'm in all, all the trouble of putting in a bookmarked real time clock in my spreadsheet.
And I haven't been paying any attention to it.
Bad 5150, bad.
I'll get the newspaper.
Oh, Ken, when you hear this, all my show notes are going to be off by an hour.
Well, no, actually, somebody's been doing it in the pet in the, uh, pad too.
So I can, I can line them up using that.
Uh, and the trouble, trouble is, uh, and I, I've been looking through.
I didn't.
Uh, well, where I, where I went, I was trying to find my, I know his name and I can't think of it too.
Who actually provides this server and I apologize.
Somebody will tell me now.
Uh, but, uh, I guess no gas.
Yes, new stutter.
Uh, John, new stutter.
Thank you.
Easier just to ask the room than to search, search for it.
Apparently, nobody, none of us thought to request that he increased the number of slots to 100 for today.
So we're stuck at 20.
So, uh, you know, any, whoever's in the channel idling and not speaking can drop out.
I'm going to drop out my recording bot because I, hopefully, Cobra 2 and, uh, K-wisher and can have got it.
I may see if I can look back and see if I can record a stream instead, which, which wouldn't take up a slot.
All right.
I'm going to drop off a bit then.
I'll listen to the stream.
Hey, 51.
51.
Hit me.
No, sad.
We totally can't hear you.
51.50.
Did you mention there was a Google Doc also?
I did get hit.
Said we can hear you.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
Yeah, like, uh, see, Richard, you in all cast plan and I'll post, I'll post it there.
Okay.
And I'll drop off.
It's, it's number of users on the server, not number of users in the channel, right?
Right.
Where's the sound notification turn off?
I'm using number four quite well.
Um, if you've got the channel list open, you'll see the lips light up.
Set pengal.
And I want to text what did I do?
And unfortunately, I don't think there'd be a point now at, uh, asking John to add more
for the day because I, yes, the contact is provider.
It's not like it's a local thing on his system.
So I think it's number of connections to his, uh, virtual server, actually.
That is the limiting factor.
Yeah, that's going to drive me nuts because I don't remember how to turn off the Texas
speech either.
Exactly.
It gets annoying.
Now, there is a text to speech in the messages, not IPA.
Yeah, yeah, the message, you have to, you have to turn on the advanced settings.
Wow.
Wasn't it in there in the initial setup if you can do the initial like, uh, configure setup?
It'll, uh, it'll ask you or you can just, I'm click a box.
Yeah, but it's, it's already after you've got mumble configured going back through the
wizard is a pain in the butt.
Also, yeah.
Awesome.
Yeah, I think there's a tick, tick box in, uh, audio input, but I'm not sure if that's
what it's for.
Turning off read back own messages is actually very useful.
Okay.
That's interesting.
I could actually do the volume on the text to speech by the outside, but it's not put
down to nothing.
So it should have been going, I guess, that'll do it.
I don't know if it's optimized enough where if you turn off the volume down to nothing,
it doesn't actually generate the audio.
Yeah, that's why I want to, yeah, I don't want the audio and I think it's okay now in
that sense.
Perfect.
So hi, Sam.
Yeah.
Hi.
Happy new year.
We're soon enough, anyway.
Well, it's gone dark, but it'll be another few hours, yeah.
So hi, Peg.
Well, we haven't talked in a while, but apparently you had given up, um, podcasting it was because
I wasn't coming around.
Is that it?
Didn't hear my silky smooth voice?
Exactly.
Well, I'm very, very, very sorry.
I would have done podcasting for ages, but it can be fun.
Well, I figured I'd carry the torch for a little bit of 50 falsely, but it's a desk.
So I can update, uh, show notes and things like that until I get another phone call.
Was the times I missed just now where I'm now and just go on here again, so when it's
just being still put big parts of East Asia about an hour and a half here, we'll hit India.
So pegwall.
Yes, bro.
How is your photography coming?
Every once in a while, I see some stuff on Facebook that you've posted where you're trying
to do like these really like artsy pictures of people.
Is that a problem or no, just, yeah, I don't know any of them.
That's all.
Um, but do you got any new gear or anything lately you want to talk about?
Um, honestly, not really, no.
I planned to order some new gear though.
Tell me about it.
Well, as of now, I have not really been shooting with flashes.
I've only been using continuous lighting.
So I'm going to invest in two flashes that will come with, uh, the wireless triggers
for them.
So I can just mount one thing to my camera's hot shoe and it'll relay all the information
about the flashes.
And it'll be awesome.
Um, I'm going to invest in a role of seamless paper for backdrops because, uh, the fabric
ones I have, which are made of muslin, they're the devil because, uh, you cannot keep those
things from wrinkling.
It's, it is impossible.
So you just carry like a little steamer with you and a hot iron and it doesn't help.
Generally, I just like soak them down with water and chuck them in the dryer.
But, uh, because they're so large, it takes a very long time to dry them.
Like a good two and a half to three hours.
So if I need to get the wrinkles out, I have to pretty much prepare a good day in advance
before, you know, like someone comes to my house to give photographed.
Now that's cool.
Well, tell me about this networked flash thing and seem like it was like one flash and
then all the information gets sent back to the camera and included in what, yeah, exif
tags.
Tell me about that a little bit because that sounds exciting, but I know nothing about
it.
Exif tags.
What?
Well, I don't, don't exif tags like when you take pictures of digital camera include lots
of other cute information that you have to strip out if you want to post on the internet.
Um, really, the only thing I worry about posting in an exif tag is, like, location data.
But, uh, you don't really have to worry about that too much in, like, your DSLR, especially
if you said, hey, don't put that in the data.
Fair enough.
I didn't know if the exif tags will store like things like white balance and things like
that so that you could recreate the shot.
More, uh, like if you're doing something that's photographing or post processing that you
wanted all that information at time of capture, like this flash fire, this flash didn't
fire and, you know, this is the white balance levels and things like that.
It is actually kind of interesting all the stuff that is in the exif data.
Um, it'll tell you not only the lens you're using, it'll tell you the serial number of
it, the serial number of your camera, um, how many shutter actuations your camera has
had and it'll tell you the, like, actual focal length of your lens, meaning every single
picture you take has a serial number.
Well, it depends on the numbering scheme and you can adjust that on the camera.
But it, I didn't realize that the shutter releases on the body were, uh, recorded because
I, I did, um, like a 24 hour time lapse.
And then I read about how awful that is on an SLR because realistically your shutters
are good for, you know, N number of uses.
But Peggy, I want to talk to you about backgrounds and because I did event photography, we're
always moving backgrounds around.
There's these fabric backgrounds that you basically crumble up and they look great and
that's what we used all the time.
Yeah, those are generally Muslim.
No, okay.
So yeah, you just, when you were done with them, you just threw them in the nylon bag
any old way and, uh, they just worked out great.
Honestly, it's, uh, it's a look I don't really dig.
So I tried to avoid it.
No, okay.
Don't mean to cramp your style, buddy.
Um, although, bro, I, I did feel, uh, a little bit complemented when you said the photo
I posted was a stock photo.
Yeah, it looked like a stock photo.
I really need to make sure that I don't have the freaking etherpad highlighted again.
But yeah, dude, I mean, it's at least something.
You can sell some stock photography.
Dude, man, you transmitted, but I did not hear anything.
So I've got it connected to my old key and, uh, and then when I'm just all tabbing around
it, uh, it mics up, sorry about that.
No worries.
Welcome back.
Yeah.
Thanks, guys.
I've missed a whole lot, but I'm sure things have been just been happening.
It's been quiet the last hour.
I mean, but well, not really the last hour, but just after a couple of people, everyone
dropped off for lunch over here in America.
So wait till Peggy and I start talking about guns.
I have to scroll up, see what the last one was.
We're about two hours since the last one.
My wife giving my wife a ride.
Yeah, Seb, we're, we're kind of, or at least I started scrambling when you said in the
IRC that we had run out of allocations, uh, for, for, uh, the slots in the, in the room.
I don't think there's a thing we can do about it now.
Yeah.
Well, I knew I'd go on, but somebody left, so, no, you're talking about the mumble room
or the chat room?
No, the whole, the whole, the whole set, I think, actually, yeah, the mumble limited to
25 and, uh, well, I still see my body, and though I disconnected, so maybe it's everybody
disconnected.
I'm, I'm seeing X's through there, and I see father Fetch with, with his headphones off,
but, uh, what do you guys see?
Because I'm probably seeing, seeing it wrong and plumbled, or I can drop off and come
back in and get it right.
Father Fetch is muted and deafened, as is a couple of the, uh, K5 Toxas too, as K-Wisher.
But yeah, your bot's done, Gondun.
Okay, I still see it.
So let me see if I can hit them up through IRC and say if they're going to be muted and
deafened, which, I can't, you know, I still don't understand the utility of that, uh,
if they could, uh, give up their slots to let people in.
Yeah.
Yeah, because there shouldn't be any eyed lives on it for so many 20.
Really?
We're not full hours anyway.
Has anyone got the link to, uh, Pegwall's stock photo, so I can take a look?
I will link you in just a minute.
Like a, why he called, uh, yeah, I was wondering, why he called this other name, which I'm
playing with.
Because it's my name.
Well, play with deep, pronounce that name wrong, so how do you say that?
It's TJ Worley.
Okay.
Yeah, you think his mother actually calls him Pegwall?
Well, no.
See, I have friends whose parents actually call me Brown, because that's how I was introduced.
And that's how I am addressed, and it's a little weird, but, you know, it's just funny.
I can say that, yeah, compared to most people, I mean, my online nick has bled into my real
life quite a bit.
I have a separate gaming nick, of course, but I mean, when you come to the, like, the,
the conventions and the, and the meetups, yeah, you see a lot of people using their, uh,
nicknames.
Well, in certain cases, like Jonathan, NATO, we just call him Jonathan.
And apparently, co-retus, wife calls me Brown, too, which is, I find hilarious.
Yeah, but some of these RC names are interesting, so why are some of you calling them normal?
Well, sometimes people get, like, they get some really, like, they'll use, like, slang
or slurs in their names, and people just run with it.
Yeah.
Like, I'm still trying to figure out why honky magoo calls himself that.
I like to think just because it's hilarious because the story he told us once in, uh,
in, in, uh, uh, Linux logcast.
If I remember right, it's the name of the dog from, uh, home movies, I believe.
That works.
Everyone has a story behind their nicknames, so.
Yes, I'm going in the show notes as etymology of IRC handles.
That's awesome.
I didn't realize I had this power today when I say somebody's nickname to show up in
a couple of minutes.
Hey, honky.
Hey, how's it going?
Yeah, pegwall's got it right.
Yeah, I remembered something.
Don't let it get to your head, pegwall.
Too late.
I see I was driving listening.
Apparently still driving, mumble and 3G don't always mix.
Well, actually, I guess I'm connected to Wi-Fi right now, but, uh, when I was just on
3G, Peter 64 said it never sounded better.
Yeah, but were you on 3G while driving?
Tower handoffs are awful for packet latency.
Oh, I had thought about that.
Well, that probably explains why everybody drubs rich and gorkon when they're, when they're on the road.
That's just probably road rage too.
So is everyone American on their own set for me?
Nope.
English?
Oh, okay.
Good.
I don't know if he's American expat, but he's living in Canada with his Canadian wife.
But we're all English speaking.
Well, that's the bite at all.
Looks like I just walked into that one.
Yeah, British English is the only Chinese.
Was that why it's changed so recently?
I think RP has only been around for 100 years or so.
What's RP?
The received pronunciation, the standard accent of English, the standard accent of standard English in the United Kingdom.
I don't think the reason he standard is so many dialects and it's much more interesting.
Try and listen to people in different places in, you know, southern, deep south or up north in England,
and it can be difficult to understand them.
Deep at night.
You know, we have the same problem here.
What was that?
I didn't understand you.
Well, then Americans can't unend people from the deep south or up north.
Yeah, I have a friend who married a woman whose family lives in Kentucky and Tennessee,
and she's not too hard to understand, but we've joked about if we ever head down south,
or we have to take her with us because she speaks southern.
Oh, we've got a special web in there, you see.
Hello, special web.
Good evening, all.
We're just talking about a difference of accents in English.
And now it's all different.
Acting in English.
No, no, different accents in English and versions of English.
And here I've arrived to add a little more variety to the offering.
I guess so, yeah.
That's good.
I mean, the joke is always that America and the UK is two countries separated by the same language.
Yeah, it's interesting.
Mike Ray emailed me back to say he tried that.
I'll to ask that Jonathan suggested he's still finding mumble, inaccessible.
I guess he's on Windows because he couldn't get it installed under Debian for lack of dependencies,
which is strange since I've got it under Debian, but it's CrunchBang.
So maybe can't one up for CrunchBang.
And welcome, Ken Fallon and this whole disaster that you predicted.
I don't think it's a disaster.
Everything seems okay.
Give it time.
Oh, this is a web here.
I see what you mean.
Yeah, well, in fairness, I haven't started drinking.
Yeah, I'm still on the coffee.
That's probably a good thing.
Yeah, I had to stop coffee before I started vibrating.
And Ken, you're a little low.
You can tell.
Yeah, I need to get myself set up now.
All right.
I'm going to break for lunch or at least grab some of the eats.
I'm going to walk away from the keyboard for a bit.
Somebody else keep up with the notes.
Good job on the notes.
Well done.
So how's everyone been?
How's it going?
Yeah.
How was it going so far?
Everything okay?
Well, I'm trying.
I don't know if I understood you correctly.
In the email, that whole first section was on my PC.
I cannot be understood.
For what it's worth, I was recording on the PC, the first three hours.
And I've got it edited.
And I leveled and compressed the heck out of it.
So I'm a listen to the whole thing.
But I can see where I am and listen to those parts.
And you can at least hear me in those parts.
So I've exported to Aug.
I'm about to send it to the FTP server.
So you can take a listen to this.
The other one's already posted.
Okay, well, you know, I thought you might want to look at it.
And see if there's anything you can do with it.
Because, you know, I was half the conversation for a good part of that time.
It would be, you know, that people can turn up the volume.
Okay, so you can't hear me in there?
Yeah, I could.
Okay, I've been given an understanding that, you know,
you know, you couldn't understand me.
But I guess if the everybody on the show, you know, I was talking to
seem to be able to understand me.
I wish they told me to raise the volume up a little bit beforehand, but.
Well, look, I was with everything on HBR.
Any audio is better than the audio.
That's the way we're working.
So it is what it is.
It's released.
So people who are there tomorrow will get it.
If they does any issues with that, then yeah, we'll hear.
Well, it's to maintain mine as a backup.
If anybody complains and says, I just can't hear it, then we can maybe throw that at them.
I think you have enough already to be doing to be right now than to be editing audio.
So, yeah, fine.
I don't know.
If somebody complains enough, we can send them the raw files and let them have a,
I go with this punty.
Plenty to be doing.
Yeah, and one thing we forgot, if you've been following the IRC,
you've got to ask to have extra slots on the, on the HPR server.
So we're limited to 20.
So.
Okay.
And I think it's too late to do anything about it.
Is requires server start restart?
No, but he's got it on a virtual server.
And I think he has to notify his servers ahead of time, his provider ahead of time.
Okay.
That's the problem perhaps.
Does that go for everybody or just people in Peru?
Or is this part the entire thing?
The entire thing.
I can't imagine anybody else is going to jump in and try to do a podcast today.
But yeah, I think it's a limit on connections to the server.
Nothing to do with mumble.
Okay, that's a bummer.
Well, that's why I dropped out my recording.
I figured it was, it was redundant.
You know, depending on how many people are, I'd signed up for slots in the late afternoon
and evening.
You know, I'm going to want to record and I found out this laptop.
It's hard, you know, I can't rely on it to record though.
I don't know.
I was dropping, I was dropping DNS in and out, which is an issue on itself during that whole time.
I was recording and I got the whole thing.
So.
Okay, fair enough.
It is what it is.
We cost according to our material.
Now I need to find out where it pushed to talk is mumble.
Also, the Kevin Wischer's stream, I took it out of the list this morning because it was
running but there was no audio coming through from me.
And I forgot to, I did say it on IRC, but I forgot to mention it to, I forgot to send
an email to Kevin.
So apologies to Kevin for that.
I was for some reason away last night and when he had three hours sleep and then I had to
go to work early.
So, you know, that's what you're playing.
Ken, you're probably the one that asked, is there any easy way to record the stream?
I did a little look poking around last night on record ice cast and didn't have time to
finish up.
I mean, I could record that way without taking a slot in the room.
Well, we have the HPR streamer boss recording.
That's where I'm getting it from.
And that's the one that sends it out to ice cast.
And then I can also record it on dark ice which takes it from, are you hearing all these explosions
or is it just me?
I'm here.
I'm here.
I'm here.
I'm here.
It's fireworks.
It's crazy.
Anyway.
And so the HPR streamer boss, which is a client on the VNC session, that sending us via
a pulse audio sync out to dark ice, which has the option to record.
And then send us to ice cast, which also has the option to record.
But I didn't want to, I just recorded it on the mumble client because there's a mumble
client calling.
It's easy peasy lemon squeezy to press the red button there and it just records it there
as down, mixed down.
And you don't need to restart.
If I wanted to take a copy of the stream, which I'll be doing now in the next break,
I just stop the recorder and then start.
And it just starts and goes on with the days in time and it just makes it really nice
and easy.
Okay.
I'm an idiot.
VLC record.
Yep.
And if you have in player, it's also record or FFM bag or any of those, just take the
stream there.
But then again, you're, if you're taking the HPR streamer boss one, you're in that chain
whereas it might be an idea to also take the Kevin Wischer one.
I don't know if Kevin's, what's Kevin's boss called, Z record bot.
So if you took the second stream, the Z record bot as well, that would also work.
You know, that would be more than because if there was any dodgyness coming through in the
HPR streamer boss one, then you would, you know, you would have the option to fall back
to the Z record bot.
But I think there's enough recordings going on at the minute from mumble, so yeah, keep
our fingers crossed.
Okay.
And in all cast planet, Kevin Wischer says that he did contact J.J. Newsteader a month
ago about increasing the slots on the servers.
So I guess one of us did think about it.
Not to put John on the spot because, you know, just providing the server, he's doing a
great service for us.
But you know, anybody can free something.
Exactly.
What is a convenient, I have an external USB numpad thing and I thought, hey, that would
be an excellent one to get a push to talk button, but it's now sending asterix as across
the screen.
It's a cry for help, and that good little device, cheer, cheer.
What's a good push to talk key?
I use the menu button on the right hand side of the spacebar.
I always use left control, and the menu pops up the menu, and he's just listing the
unit.
The only two buttons I've actually mapped to anything is I've got the both right next
each other.
One is the play and pause for audacious, which is the menu key and the right hand side of
the spacebar.
And then the one in between that, the AltGR as the push to talk and mumble, and other
than that, everyone's stand up for me.
OK, I'm trying the AltGR, which seems to be OK.
AltGR, testing testing 123, seems to be happy with that.
Yeah, that's the thing, it's finding a key that you don't actually use for anything else
and doesn't seem to do anything.
I was using the CupLuxKate.
I would disable the CupLuxKate in the news, but now the way I'm disabling CupLuxKate
is within KDE, and I completely disable this, so that's a bit of a bummer.
I've done the number five this time, and I'm thinking, I think, OK, but if I'm going
to put 2015 a later, I'm going to be recording, otherwise, it's probably OK.
I was going to say that's mighty impressive.
Most of us can only do number one and two.
You can do number five.
I'd like to know what that is, I'm curious.
God, bring it down, bring it into the vlog, if I don't do it.
Was it you?
If you don't, I'll tell you what, I've got another V.
I thought the other day that I thought I was going to bring it up here,
might turn on your discussion, it might not, I don't know.
I thought the other day about sayings that more and more people's time passes
have no clue who they're going to need from, but yeah, they still use these sayings.
So the example, well, what I thought about was the saying of all your list,
like a broken record or a stuck record, and I'm thinking, I know what that was
because when I started listening to music, I was buying it all piece,
and I know what that is, but if you're saying that to someone in the, sort of,
the current generation, they're, they're associating music with MP3s,
the downloads, what's a record, what's it meant to do?
What's the reference, basically?
So it was just sort of things like that, that every day things that technology has,
has advanced, and, you know, a lot of more and more people don't know the origin of it.
Yeah, I see your point there, and there's a lot of sayings you sort of end up using,
and then you think, why am I using that saying, where did that come from?
Well, it's not just sayings as well, it's, um,
images that are associated with things.
There saw something, and I think it was last year, that, um,
images on icons were designed in an era without them on that,
so you're looking at things that are completely irrelevant now, but the icon is stuck.
That's what people expected to be, even though it doesn't represent anything.
Like the, the floppy disk save button thing?
Yeah, that's, I think that was the one, yeah.
Um, and the other one as well was, um, when you think of, like,
Hollywood imagery for movies and films, they're kind of universal,
um, not the company, but the sort of universal standard of films and TV
is the great big camera, but the two real TV-all tape things.
I mean, if you say that now, I mean, for, when I was growing up,
it was still tapes, but they were encased, and I, and I've ate an VHS case,
you could see it was tape, but it was effectively, it looked like a book,
and you put it in the machine and it played.
Um, now, again, this, this generation is, the camera isn't a tape,
the, the playback isn't a tape, it's just a button on a screen that's,
it's a digital thing, it's a chip, it's memory, it's not, it's not a real teriel,
but the imagery that people expect of movies is a big camera, you know, in the film.
Yeah, yeah, lucky.
Well, I mean, also in real life, you know,
anybody from our generation, uh, if you're panamining to, for someone to call you,
you know, you cross the room when you can't, you don't want to shout at them,
you, you put one hand up to your ear and you, and, and, and, and then you
squirrel your finger in the air, and, uh, you know, kids, kids today would probably catch you
like your nuts. Yeah, I was just, it kind of got me wondering, um, just how much of that
that actually is. And it's things like, I was trying to think back to any sayings that I
grew up with that were already out of date, that they were in date during my parents' generation,
and my grandparents' generation. Um, but they're irrelevant to me because technology has moved on.
And, dialing a number.
Yeah, I guess, I mean, we're still dialed, but, um, yeah, I guess.
No, you hit the keypad, you didn't dial it around, as it needs to do it around.
Oh, true enough. Yeah, true enough.
Hey, that's like, that's what I just said. Uh, you know, what, if you, if you did that, uh,
you know, if you, if you pant in mind, that to your kids, would they know what they were talking,
what you were talking about? I put an old saying in the chat, I give a special prize to anybody
who knows what that is without searching on the web. Shouldn't you say the saying, the thing out
for the podcast as well, though? Oh, I could. Um, one inch below is worth two above.
Now, maybe it doesn't really matter what it means, but I think that, uh, basically,
we're all kind of stuck in the, uh, the time period of the technology that we grew up with.
And we, we, uh, I think like Fisselweb be saying, we all forget that probably 50 years before us,
there was a bunch of technology and it gets replaced and surpassed by, uh, what we think is, uh,
better or might be better, I don't know, but, um, these sayings will all change and get replaced,
I guess. Does it, does it have something to do with, like, being buried or something?
No, but, um, it's something to do with the ground, which, uh,
I'm not quite sure how you can be buried two inches above the ground. I'm not quite sure how that
would be, um, better than one into below. And I'm just, I'm done with the imagination for that.
Well, my thicken was, you know, it's, it's better to be two inches above the ground and alive
than one is below the ground and dead. That, that was my train of thought.
Well, fair enough, I'm also curious how you can go two inches above the ground
unless you're some sort of a spitter.
Yeah, that's exactly what I was like, you know, are you in the habit of
floating two inches above the ground peg wall?
Yes, I, I'm actually a poltergeist.
Yeah, no medals in judo, say.
A poltergeist?
Yeah, he comes around at nights, moving chickens around.
Just scream at children, throw chickens at them.
That sounds like a part they enjoy for Santa, under 364 days of the year that he's not doing anything.
Just see the Hitchcock movie.
All right, I'm stopping now.
Well, uh, we were talking about the older generation and technology.
Uh, I am probably just young enough to be, you know, of course, I learned to drive on a
stick shift, but there's plenty of people my age, you know, never driven anything but an automatic.
Now, anybody in my parents' time, they, you know, if you didn't drive a stick shift,
you wouldn't be able to drive.
And then my grandfather, my old dad always told me he was a terrible driver, but I mean, he was,
you know, middle-aged before there was such a thing as cars for the middle class, you know.
Well, he had a couple times, he ran into people on intersection just because he,
or they ran into him because he wasn't not in the habit of looking both directions as he,
as he crossed, you know, he, you know, when he was a young man, he rode a horse.
Well, in fact, for that matter, you know, my dad was old enough that they still,
they still did things on the farm, some things on the farm of horses,
uh, like pull wagons and stuff rather than having big trucks.
So, uh, you know, yeah, and just three generations.
I mean, incredible changes in technology.
I mean, when my grandfather was young, there were no, uh, well, I guess you might have had the,
you know, the first little run about cars, but probably not.
And, uh, you know, certainly no airplane.
And, uh, look at what we have today, we've been space and, you know, and, and, uh, I'm sure,
when we're all, you know, in our daughterage and, you know, there'll just be, you know,
another whole generation of technology that will blow our minds.
Well, and Jailer Tablet uses as well.
Seb is, is that a shot at Popey who was in here that, uh, you know, we're, we're not going to get
a Ubuntu phone until we're all old men?
No, I'm not quite. I, I think it's actually coming out next,
February, like, uh, it's, like it's remodeling.
Well, apparently it's going to happen that week, February.
I thought we heard that last year.
I see you either there, the assumption that we're going to get,
and Ubuntu phone at some time, and then you could put a date on it.
Well, they had a date on the, um, um, um, do you ban new site?
And then block it as now.
I like a second week in February apparently.
Yeah, I think canonical have set, set themselves apart and, um,
and I think until they actually managed to get out of that part,
I think there's every right to just treat any promises of devices with,
just, I'm not, I don't, don't give me the PR stuff, just release it.
Tell me when it's available.
I don't tell me when it will be available.
Release it and then tell me it's available.
Dude, man, can you tell people what they, one inch above two inch thing is?
He's gone.
I said, I was just going to say stuff to the dude, man.
It looks like he's gone.
That's typical. Just leave us hanging.
Good. He was over then to the IRC, so somebody wants to read it from there.
Yeah.
So I'll read it for you.
It's connected with cutting hay when you're using a site, which is really advanced technology,
and basically led to a massive dependence in green consumption, believe it or not,
okay, personal opinion there.
Both when cutting grass for hay for the winter feed,
cutting lower at the bottom by one inch, give bigger returns to your effort and quality,
then have the grass two inches taller.
Okay.
Karina.
I think I'll wait for the sequel.
There's got to be some sort of twist at the end of that.
I wouldn't say that a site was really advanced technology.
It's basically a big blade.
Yeah, it's true, but in fairness, death rocks his site and this world.
Maybe he does.
He knows how to rock a site.
He does.
A lot of one of my favourite characters actually is death.
I think we're one of the best, one of my favourite characters is Otto Shriek,
the vampire iconographer for the times.
Yes, yes.
Cool.
It's time for.
Why?
Oh, a number of reasons.
One is he's the guy that's every time there's a bright flash, he turns the dust,
but that's his job.
So he's got to get the silver mandor ready to give the flash.
And then quickly, as soon as the flash goes off, he's like,
I don't need something to avoid being done with dust.
There's a little note in his suit pocket along with a vial of blood.
That's like, I'm simply, please pour a drop on the dust.
Thank you.
It does vary appears again.
That and it's part of the temperance week as well.
So that when he sees like a rodron walking past, he's like,
but Robin is temperance and badge to get the Craven's down.
Very good, I love Terry Ratches, very good.
He's one of the writers that he uses archetypes and stereotypes in such an incredible way.
The characters know what the stereotypes are but they play on them.
That's what they're expected to be.
I remember one of them where it was a vampire.
He was complaining that on his day off he had to go by with the build a crypt.
He doesn't want a crypt.
His wife doesn't want a crypt.
But the way his wife sees it as well.
What can a vampire be for the one of a crypt?
Total enables.
I love those.
He was accidentally bitten or something by the stake and it was brought to our higher society
because vampires were high.
Or upper class.
That's very funny.
There's so many little...
Well, I love that squirrel.
Terry will do it.
Dave has...
Dave Morris has already done the show notes for the community news.
You'll all be thrilled to hear.
I especially am thrilled to hear.
You know, it's even been your watching...
I'm sorry, can I have you go?
No, I just posted them into the thingy.
So in five minutes we'll be switching time zones.
And then that's kind of when the HBIR community news for December starts.
So I'll go get myself together here on this side.
And then we can review the...
We can do the HBIR community news show as we go along.
Yeah, something like a plan.
And by the way, I think we missed a time zone there somewhere.
Well, I think I got it ahead of myself somewhere.
Oh, cool.
You're more advanced.
So we're in the...
What was it?
Myanmar, Cocoa Islands,
Young Gon,
Nay, Paid one.
Why am I even trying to pronounce these?
I do apologize to everybody from these countries.
Happy new year to them.
Yes.
I'll be back in five, yeah.
You know, sometimes when you watch a TV show,
you watch a movie or something,
and it's not immediately dated,
but technology dates it.
I remember watching...
I think it was Mission Impossible One.
And the hacker guy, the hacker character, says,
right, we'll get you the very best of gear.
What do you need for this job?
And he's like drilling all of this,
I think the Pentium 2 or something like that.
And you know, I'm drilling all of this.
It's a really tough end technology.
It's a Pentium 2.
Yeah.
And it's like, what can I ram?
It's like, 64 mega ram.
Or something like that.
It's something pathetic now.
And it really dates it.
But the rest of the show doesn't really feel that dated.
It's the technology of the date set.
Yeah, yeah, it can be.
I always figured it was more of the hackers that dated...
Well, maybe some of them are not that bad, to be honest.
In terms of haircut and fashion,
it doesn't change that much.
But technology is something that really jumps out at me.
And things like being able to do something in a story line
that you just wouldn't believe now because of mobile phones.
It's like, for example, watching detectives
where they can't be contacted out in the beat
because there's no mobile phones.
And I have to go to a phone box or something like that.
Call in to get an update or something.
Or, you know, it's just things like that
that just couldn't happen now.
It just changes the dynamic now in a story line.
Well, I mean, I assume it's part of history.
You know, Pearl Harbor.
They saw the planes coming in on radar.
But, you know, such new technology,
the guy told them to ignore it.
They thought it was a flight of B-17s coming in.
Or if they checked where the heading and all that,
they were known, something was up.
But when they first put the radar side in,
you know, they show the movie tour, tour, tour.
So what are we supposed to do if we see anything?
We don't have any phone to call anybody.
And the guy tells them, well, there's a gas station
a mile down the road.
You know, run down there.
Surely they've got a phone.
Yeah, strange oversight.
When you think about it, but again, hindsight is a wonderful thing.
It's things as well, like when you see characters
having a scam, others to get information or whatever.
And it's like, pretend to be this movie director
and they've done these various movies.
And I try to do that.
And nowadays, all it would take was the other person
to go on a smartphone and go into IMDB and look them up.
Like, you don't exist, pal.
You know, before that technology was available,
you only had their word for it.
Even things like getting into arguments about whatever,
you know, an average useless trivia about who was number one
at what time and how many hours.
That's what the Guinness Book of World records is for.
Yeah, I know.
What I'm talking about is if you're in a random conversation,
or someone down in the pub and that comes up,
before you'd be constantly back and forth,
not with this, not, I'm sure it was this,
not telling you it was this.
I know.
I know it was this.
Now you've got, now you've got it in your hands,
and you can just pull out your phone and check it.
And you say, ah, I see proof, there you go.
Hopefully.
You know, the Guinness Book of World records was produced
by the Guinness Beer Company,
because so many barfights were coming up,
people arguing over something,
so they set up a book, put a book of World records together.
Is that really true?
Oh, yes.
True.
Yeah, that's true.
And the happy New Year to the, just jump in,
and we'll have time soon.
So.
So.
Here, feedback.
We are welcoming, welcoming Bangladesh
and some regions of Russia.
I have, anyone want to pronounce those?
Maybe, anything.
I've been doing it all day, can it?
Your turn.
No, no, no, no, no.
So you know, how, I do, I've traditionally
butcher people's names, of course.
Help me out here.
Da-cata?
Right, I'll have a go- I'll have a go-
I'll have a go- I'll have a go if you like.
Beer's on the mumble.
And that's probably going to be terrible,
but I'm sore.
But I'm sore.
You know, I was thinking you should do it.
Face the web bit.
So go ahead.
Right, there you go.
Right, so we have Dhaka, Almati,
Almate, Bishkek and Thleumfru.
Who's on?
Perfect.
Alrighty, welcome everybody to...
Oh, hold on one second.
I want to stop and restart the streams.
Happy New Year to those countries as well.
Yeah, just give me one second here.
I need to connect to the VPS.
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