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Episode: 2791
Title: HPR2791: LUKS like truecrypt
Source: https://hub.hackerpublicradio.org/ccdn.php?filename=/eps/hpr2791/hpr2791.mp3
Transcribed: 2025-10-19 16:53:28

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This in HBR episode 2,791 entitled, looks like true crypt, and in part of the series,
privacy and security, it is hosted by Klaatu and in about 25 minutes long, and Karima
Clean Flag.
The summary is, Klaatu demonstrates how to use LVM and crypt sit up to create, and use portable
and crypted file systems.
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Klaatu, remember back when there was a thing called true crypt?
I kind of don't, to be honest, it's been ages since I've thought about or much less used
true crypt, and even when I used it, it was more of an experiment.
Like let's learn about this tool, those were way back in my early days of getting a clue
about computers.
So I don't exactly remember what true crypt did, but I do remember certainly a couple
years back.
There was this big kerfuffle about whether true crypt was truly secure and how no one had
actually seen the source code or something like that, or people had seen it, but no one
had sat down to audit the code, something to that nature, and then of course true crypt
just sort of disappeared at least officially.
Other people have forked true crypt since then, there's Vera Crypt, there's something
else cipher or something.
So you can find new versions of it and continue to use it, I guess, and I might have some
interest in that if I needed all of the different features of true crypts such as super easy,
drop dead simple, cross platform compatibility.
I don't need that, I use Linux at work, I use Linux at home.
For many things that I do, I do not feel an urgent need to have a solution that is cross
platform for my own use, it just doesn't apply.
So I was sitting around the other day thinking, how could I encrypt files on a per file basis
or a per collection basis?
The immediate thing that came to mind of course was GPG, I've used GPG in the past, it worked
out pretty well, it's somewhat flexible, I mean you can encrypt a GPG file or a file
with GPG basing the encryption on your own private key or you can do symmetric encryption
such that you don't have to have a key present, you just have to know the past phrase,
enter it, and suddenly the file is opened to you.
In fact, even though this episode is about luck, let's just really quick like, let's do
a GPG encrypted file.
So I'm going to echo Foo space bar into a new file called my secret file.txt.
Now that exists on my hard drive and so I can encrypt it with GPG which is GNUPG which
is the free and open source version of PGP, pretty good privacy.
So I'll do GPG dash dash symmetric with two M's, S-Y-M-M-E-T-R-I-C, it took me a while
to get that through my head.
And then the path to the file, my secret file.txt.
And my computer, it prompts me with a gooey 10-entry dialog box.
So I just put in bogus 1, 2, 3, bogus 1, 2, 3, and that's it, it doesn't say anything
in return, so I guess it worked.
So we'll do an LS of my secret file asterisk.
And yes, now I have my secret file.txt and my secret file.txt.gpg.
So if I cat my secret file.txt.gpg, I get a bunch of nonsense characters that doesn't
really look like anything and that's of course what we would want in an encrypted file.
But if I cat my secret file.txt, we see Foo and Bar in the output because the workflow
of gpg is that it encrypts, it creates a copy of the thing that you have encrypted,
which obviously leaves the original lying around, which is technically fine as long as
you remember to then shred my secret file.txt and then trash my secret file.txt.
And now that file presumably is forgotten.
Now we just have the encrypted version of it.
To look at that, again, we'll do a gpg-dcrypt my secret file.txt.gpg and it pops up this
little pin entry thing, it always looks like pin entry to me because the pin and entry
are all one word.
So bogus123 and then in the output of the command, it shows me Foo and Bar.
And if I do an LS of my secret file.txt, again, I still only have the encrypted version
of this file, which is good, I guess, unless you of course wanted to then edit that thing.
So in order to edit, you would have to do that same process, again, except you would
redirect the output to my secret file.txt and then enter the password.
And then it dumps the output into that file.
And now I could do like an emax of my secret file.txt, I could add Foo Bar and then maybe
add Baz and now I've got the improved version of that file.
Then I have to go back up to the gpg-dash-symmetric to recreate that file and you can write right
over it.
I mean, you don't have to do anything too fancy.
It prompts you, oh, it already exists, shall I overwrite, yes.
And so now I've recreated it.
But of course, now I've got the old copy still on my on my drive.
So I'll do a shred again of my secret.txt or my secret file.txt and then we'll just
cap that to make sure that it's nonsensical, yes, it is.
And so then we'll just trash it.
So that's sort of the gpg version.
That's the gpg option for that.
And as you can tell for something that you're going to, if you're going to use something
frequently, that would not be the optimal method of encrypting something for everyday use
or for weekly use or whatever.
So if you need something a little bit more robust, I was looking around.
And the first, my first stop was the eCryptfs program, or I should say, suite of tools.
There's an eCryptfs-utals and then there's eCryptfs itself and there's the demon that comes
along with that.
But all of that is dependent upon a module, a kernel module called eCryptfs.
And I've tried this on a couple of different systems now.
And it just seems to be not exactly working.
And I would love to hear from you, dear listener, if you, dear listener, I mean, fellow hacker
public radio comrade.
If you've had better luck with it than I had because I certainly could not get it working
on Slackware, there's a bug or not a bug.
But there's an issue or a post over on LinuxQuestions.org from someone using it on Slackware
and said, hey, you can't use it on the huge kernel, but it seems to work on the generic
kernel.
And I thought, well, that's a little bit weird, but okay, I could do that.
Not really sure if I want to.
Then I thought, well, I could just recompile the kernel.
And then I realized if it's this hard, then that's not the answer for me.
Like if it's going to be this tenuous, that's not the one that I want.
So then I tried the same thing on Rell, on a Rell desktop, and that's Red Hat Enterprise
Linux.
And that didn't work either.
It seemed to work, but every time I launched the demon, it said, I can't connect to this
device.
And I couldn't, I thought, well, maybe I just need to create the device, slash dev slash
E-Cript FS.
But then I, I tried to run the E-Cript FS Damon, and it didn't seem to want to work either.
And yeah, there were just a lot of, and then I tried to load the module, and it claimed
that the module wasn't a module, it couldn't be found.
So I just, I decided fairly early on that this was not the tool that I wanted to resort
to.
Like that just wasn't going to, that's not sustainable if it couldn't work on two out
of two systems.
Just don't bother.
So, so I turned to my old friend, LVM, LVM is the, I think it stands for logical volume
manager or something like that.
It's kind of an infrastructure tool within your computer.
If you're running Linux, you almost certainly have it, and if not, it's super easy to get
from your repository.
I've not encountered a Linux yet that, that is so marginalized that it doesn't have LVM
pretty easily obtainable.
So I mean, LVM ships on Slackware, it, it is implemented by default on Fedora and
Rell, it is easily available for Ubuntu and WN, if it's not already there.
Along with LVM, there's an encryption suite to, so that you can have full volume encryption
or partial volume encryption called LuxLUKS.
And the front end or the user facing tool for Lux is a command called crypt setup.
And that's what I'm going to use to implement a kind of virtual drive manager setup, which
I think is if memory serves is kind of what true crypt did.
You would have these, these true crypt volumes and then you would open true crypt and you
would choose the volume that you wanted to decrypt for, for that session.
And that's, that's pretty much what LVM and Lux and, and crypt setup can provide for
us.
So let me run you through the user, the, the use case of it, the, the, the workflow just
so that you get an idea of what we're aiming for and then I'll run you through how to set
it up for yourself.
It is not difficult.
The prerequisites are that you have LVM and, and Lux and crypt setup installed.
It depends on your distribution, how that is packaged.
I imagine on Slackware, I know that LVM is one package and crypt setup is another.
That's really all you need to get started.
So let's set, let's go through how I use this.
So the, I've got a volume on my hard drive called food.img.
If I do a file on food.img, it tells me that it is a Lux encrypted file version one and
then some specs on how it's been encrypted.
Okay, so I'm going to do a crypt setup, that's the main command and then the sub command
to that is Lux open, that's luks and then open with a capital O, foo.img and then some,
some string for myself.
I could call it foo, I could call it penguin, I could call it whatever I want.
And you'll see where this manifests itself momentarily.
So crypt setup Lux open foo.img, that's the source and then the destination is foo.
It now prompts me for a password.
So I'm going to put in the password, bogus 123, it processes that request and then returns
me to a prompt.
So if I do an LS slash dev and if you know LVM, you would know where to look probably.
On my system, it's LS slash dev slash mapper and in slash dev slash mapper, which is kind
of the LVM station, that's where all the LVM volumes go when they're activated.
I now have an entry there called foo.
So now I can just do a normal mount command.
I'm doing this as root by the way, crypt setup and mount, you would want to do with either
pseudo or as root, depending on your distribution and what you've got setup on your computer.
So I'm going to do a mount of slash dev slash mapper slash foo to some place on my system.
So I'll just do it slash mnt slash HD because that's short.
And now if I open, I can open up a dolphin file browser window here file manager and I'll
go to slash mnt slash hard HD.
And here's my little file.
I've got a folder in there called vault and I've got a test file that says foo and bar.
That's about the extent of what I've stored there, pretty small actually, but that's
okay.
So I can open up this text file, I can add entries, baz hacker, public, radio, I'll save
that.
Now it's a larger file than it was before.
That's it.
Now if I'm done with it, I can do an U mount of slash mnt slash HD.
And then it looks close.
So that's crypt setup looks close space foo.
And now if I do an LS slash dev slash mapper, I have nothing listed there anymore.
So it's it's a file you can put on a thumb drive or you can put anywhere you want.
It's self contained and whatever you want to interface with it or interact with it,
you can do a crypt setup looks open and put it somewhere in your in your device tree.
Because if though it was a hard drive and then open it up, modify your files, unmount
it and then close it, looks close, take it out of your out of your device tree.
And that's built into pretty much, like I said, pretty much any Linux system that you're
on or it's easily obtainable.
So here's how to make that happen for yourself.
It is not difficult.
It's only about, I don't know, six or seven steps.
So what I just did, that's the repeatable kind of everyday use of it.
That's the workflow, looks open, mount, unmount, looks close.
That's what you have to do every time you want to use it.
What I'm about to cover now is what you need to do this part once in order to create
the volume.
So this is your setup steps.
First of all, obviously you need LVM and crypt setup.
They might be called, they may be in packages called LVM and crypt setup respectively.
They might be maybe in one package.
I don't know how your distribution manages it on Slackware.
There's an LVM package and then there's a crypt setup package.
So you're looking for something like that.
Once you've got LVM and crypt setup on your system, you can do this.
First thing is to create an empty file.
And it can be of any size really.
You do have to determine the size in advance.
But I think if I recall correctly, true crypt was the same way.
And I'm going to do that with F allocates.
If you do a man, F allocate, locate, you see that it is a command that pre-allocates or
D allocates a space to a file.
Options look like the one that we want is the dash, dash, length.
And that's probably all we need for now.
Yeah, it looks like it.
So that's what we'll do.
So F allocate and then dash, dash, length, and I'll make this, I don't know, 128 megabytes.
I mean, it could be a lot larger than that if you need more space.
But this is for demonstration purposes, so I'm keeping it pretty small.
And that doesn't take long.
So now bar.img exists.
So if I do an LS-LH of bar.img, yep.
It's 128 megabytes.
Now that we've got our empty space for data, we can do a crypt setup part.
So this you need to be root for or you have to use pseudo.
I'm going to just become root because I don't have pseudo setup on this particular machine.
Never did bother.
And then I'll do a crypt setup, dash, dash, verify, dash, passphrase.
That is to get a crypt setup to prompt us to create a password, because this is symmetric
encryption.
And we're going to do the Lux format subcommand of, of course, bar.img.
So this is basically, it says this is going to overwrite data on bar.img irrevocably type
yes and uppercase, okay, yes, enter a passphrase, okay, bogus 1, 2, 3, bogus 1, 2, 3.
So that's working.
So this is obviously formatting this data block, this empty file space that we set aside,
that we allocated into a, into a crypt setup, into a Lux volume.
So now if I do a file on bar.img, it doesn't, indeed, tell me that bar.img is a Lux encrypted
file.
All right, that's great.
So now we can, we can, we know how to get these things attached to our system already.
And for that, we do crypt setup, if you'll recall Lux open, and then the source bar.img,
and then the destination bar prompting me for my password.
So I'll do bogus 1, 2, 3.
And if I do an LS in slash dev slash mapper, I should see a bar entry there, and there
is.
So now, normally, you know, this part seems familiar, because this is how you normally
do it.
But right now, this is a Lux encrypted file, but there's nothing in the file.
So what we can do is we can do mkfs.ext2, for instance, on slash dev slash mapper slash
bar.
Actually, you know what we should do is give it a label, let's give this a label.
We'll call this true crypt, just to be clever.
There we go.
Okay, so now we've got a file system on this, this Lux volume.
So now, from now, that's setup, now you're done.
That's it.
So from now on, when you want to use that, well, you know what, I should mention actually,
because okay, so if I, if I go to dolphin, I mean, I, you know, technically you're done.
But if you're not super familiar with, with managing these kinds of, of devices, it might
be useful to, to do one more thing.
So first of all, I'm going to open up dolphin, which is my file manager on KDE, and I'm going
to go to the little menu that, you know, gives me all the different places.
And I should see, you should see in there, since it is in the dev mapper thing, you should
actually see it listed as an available drive that you could, that you can mount.
And indeed, indeed it is.
So here's a true crypt of volume, where that's what we named it, remember, to be clever.
And then it's asking me for my password.
Oh, that's the wrong password.
It's asking me for the device, you know, the, the Lux password.
No, it's not, it's asking me for my root password.
There we go.
Because I already gave it the Lux password to get it into my device tree.
Okay, so there's a lost and found directory.
So as a normal user, of course, I can't do anything in this, in this volume.
Now if you assigned it a simpler file format, or a file system, like a fat or something
like that that doesn't even do file permissions, then you, you could skip this step.
But I'm going to go ahead and do this step, because this is how I would actually do it
in real life.
So it mounted it because I did this through dolphin.
It used UDISC control 2, as I recently learned, to place it into, I guess it's UDISC control
2.
It's anyway, or UDISC 2, so that's UDISC control.
But anyway, it dumped it into slash run, slash media slash, class U slash true crypt.
And there's a lost and found directory there.
So I'm going to make a directory in run media, class U, true crypt, and I'm going to call
it, I guess I'll just call it vault.
And I'm going to tone that directory, so that it is owned by Clat 2 colon users.
And that way, I'll have access to this folder, whether or not I'm on my own system, or
I'm on a system where my username is different, or whatever.
So run media, clat 2, true crypt slash, vault.
And now I'm going to chamad that to 770, I guess.
I mean, it's encrypted.
I don't know how, I don't really know that it actually matters at this point, but that's
what I'll do.
So it'll be read, write, execute to the user, to the group, and then to no one else.
Again, if they've gotten through the encryption at that point, I guess it's probably, everything's
probably lost.
So heck, I'm just going to chamad at the 777 there.
So now I've got access to vault.
I can do things like create new files.
So I'll exit root, my root prompt, and I'll do an echo, hello, world into, well, I think
I'll create a file here, and I'll put hello.txt, and I'll drag that into my terminal paste
location there.
So now I'm echoing contents into this hello.txt file that I just created.
I could copy stuff into it, like I could go to a folder where there are small graphics.
Here's a small graphic that is 13 kilobytes, I'll copy that into there.
Here's another one.
Here's a vector of an kitchen sink.
I don't know why I have that on my hard drive, really.
I mean, I know why it's there, I just don't know why I would keep it there.
So anyway, now I've got data in this vault.
And if I wanted to discontinue using this, I can, again, go into my little places menu
here.
Oh, no, I can't.
I don't know how to eject or unmount a volume from dolphin, actually, at least not as
I currently have it set up.
That's all right.
So I'll go back to my root prompt, and I'll do a you-mount slash run media clatoon-true
script, and then I'll do a crypt set up, lux, close of what is it called bar, right?
And I think, yeah, bar.
And now it's gone.
It doesn't exist.
It is a mere encrypted file on the hard drive, and I can verify that, of course, by just
doing an ls-lh of bar.img, it's 128 megabytes, it is encrypted, I can do file bar.img.
Of course, I can do like, I can do head of bar.img and get all kinds of garbled, nonsensical
text.
Now since this file of encrypted data is, it's just a file, you can put it on thumb drives,
you can email it to yourself, you can do whatever you want to do with it.
It is a self-contained encrypted volume, and it is as easy as that, at least on Linux.
Again, not really cross-platform necessarily, although from what I've understood, you
can get LVM and probably crypt set up on SIGWIN and other places, so maybe it is technically
cross-platform, but definitely with Linux, it's just kind of, it's a no-brainer.
So that's, that's, yeah, that's looks like true crypt, hopefully that was informative
and helpful.
Thanks for listening.
Talk to you next time.
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