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Episode: 2812
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Title: HPR2812: Is 5G mobile data a danger to your health?
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Source: https://hub.hackerpublicradio.org/ccdn.php?filename=/eps/hpr2812/hpr2812.mp3
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Transcribed: 2025-10-19 17:09:22
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This is HPR episode 2008-12 entitled in 5G mobile data and angel to your health.
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It is hosted by Klackit and is about 8 minutes long and Karim a clean flag.
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The summer is a private origin law of headlines to find out the answer.
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Hi, I'm Klackit.
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The anti-5G campaign has been cooking for many years now and at the epicenter of it all
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are two men.
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Leonard Hadel and Rheinland Nieberg.
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It's a Swedish Finnish phenomenon that is not really making the rounds and spreading
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internationally as actual commercial deployment of 5G networks draws nearer.
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As a Swede, I apologize.
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These two do not represent the Swedish or Finnish cancer or radiation research community
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and our media have given them far more space in the public discourse than their work merits.
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They are heavily quoted in networks of pseudoscience, including anti-vaccine sites, right wing,
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alternative facts sites and Strolquid Stiftels and the Swedish Radiation Protection Foundation.
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A private foundation created in 2012 with a deceptive name meant to invoke authority, which
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has had to be corrected on multiple occasions by the actual Swedish Radiation Safety Authority
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Strolquid's Mindighittern.
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Strolquid Stiftels and received the 2013 Miss Leader of the Year Award from the main Swedish
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Scientific Skeptic Society, Vietnam's COP, Oxford Building, the Science and Public Education
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Association.
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For this is my translation from the Swedish, their fear mongering propaganda and biased
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reporting on the health effects of mobile telephony use and wireless networks.
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There's a link in the show notes, it's in Swedish, but the translated version of the award
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text is reasonably easy to understand.
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These networks are part of a feedback loop where they get media attention, politicians
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pick up on their claims and use them to invoke the precautionary principle and get precautionary
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regulation in place or judges rule based on the claims, which then gets quoted by these entities
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again as evidence that they were right all along. They make it very hard to find factual information
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on whether millimeter wavelength radiation actually has any different effect from the
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centimeter wavelength radiation that we have been using for over two decades without any documented
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harmful effects. Because wherever you look you just find these sites claiming that we have
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definitely had adverse health effects for the last two decades and the new frequency bands
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will definitely be far worse. When you dig deep into the claims on these sites you find a handful
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of cherry-picked articles leading back to the two men mentioned at the top. To studies with
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flawed methodology like self-reported surveys on mobile telephony use among cancer patients or
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to the pseudoscience media, politics, law, feedback loop. And it's all about centimeter waves,
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which simply have shown no conclusive sign of increasing brain cancers or any other adverse
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health effect related to the radiation. For every positive report made you can find one that
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reports brain cancer fell as we introduced mobile phones. There is a massive body of data and if
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the signal were there we wouldn't see it by now. I know cancer researcher but then neither is
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Ryan a newbie. He's a retired professor in pedagogy. He's a concerned citizen.
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Lenna Tadell is an actual oncologist and professor who has studied carcinogens.
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But his research results on the wireless to cancer connection have been dismissed as non-informative
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post-hawk, barely statistically significant and flawed by his peers. At best they're useful
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for hypothesis generation but they haven't verified anything. We know that high voltage 16.7
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hertz fields increase the risk for leukemia in train drivers but we don't know why.
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So I'm open to the possibility that 20 to 50 gigahertz waves have different consequences from
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two gigahertz waves but I'd have to hear it from a credible source. Straight up DNA mutation is
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out the window and that's one of the center points of these campaigns. This is still frequencies
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below visual light. It's not ionizing radiation. No plausible mechanism has been suggested and there
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is no clear data on any adverse effects. We use millimeter waves today for the full-body
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scans in US airports. Surely the effects of those have been studied. Well you go and search and
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the top search results go to truth about cancer and info wars and similar names I won't even bother
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to click. I don't want to read another article about how all cancer research after 1950 has been
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wrong or we should all just eat chalk to balance our acidity and cancer is a fungus.
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Apart from the pseudoscience sites I found one paper on the first results page.
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Concluding that x-ray backscatter scanners have well-known risks but radiation levels are far
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below safety standards both for passengers and for security staff and also below the background
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radiation exposure while flying. And the new millimeter wave scanners while quote alarmingly
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small amount of information about its potential health effects and quote is available.
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Quote the established health effects association associated with non-ionizing radiation are limited
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to thermal effects and quote and quote these scanners operate at outputs well below those required
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to produce tissue heating and quote that is we currently don't know of away millimeter waves
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might be harmful. They don't seem any different from centimeter waves and that's what we have in
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our cell towers today. I have a link to this meta analysis in the show notes.
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For a guide on how to spot pseudoscience and how to read scientific papers see a hook as excellent
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show 2695 problems with studies on hacker public radio.
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