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Episode: 853
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Title: HPR0853: Pat Volkerding of Slackware Linux chats with Klaatu
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Source: https://hub.hackerpublicradio.org/ccdn.php?filename=/eps/hpr0853/hpr0853.mp3
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Transcribed: 2025-10-08 03:34:36
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I don't know, do you mind if I interview you about slapping her a little bit?
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No.
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Good.
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All right, well, hey, everyone, this is Vlad too.
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Hey, what are you doing here?
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When did you get here?
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There we go.
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Yeah?
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Oh, I didn't know you were coming here.
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Cool.
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This is Pat, by the way.
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Hello.
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Pat, both your dean, rather.
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Nice to meet you.
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This is Mako.
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She's a devian dev yet?
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Or not yet?
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No, I'm going to go to that.
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Yeah, but I'm going to the application process for devian maintainer.
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Maintainer?
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That's anything with the word developer or maintainer after it.
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I think you people know, you know, magical things.
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Okay.
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Feel like incense?
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Yeah, I do.
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Japanese Indian?
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Indian is what I've mostly smelt.
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All right.
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This, Japanese.
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Saidudo Shirogiiku.
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Familiar with the ingredient Kaira.
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You know what that is?
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Okay.
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There is a type of tree.
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I don't remember the genus species, but it's an evergreen type tree that grows in rainforests
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and in Indonesia, Thailand, Cambodia.
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What happens is if the tree gets damaged somehow, it gets a fungal infection.
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And that works its way into the heartwood of the tree, where the tree fights back with extra resin production.
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Okay.
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And this battle goes on for centuries.
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It produces this core wood, you know, and it's agarwood or aloe's wood.
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And there is just nothing else that smells like when you burn this stuff.
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It's the most complex aroma.
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That's crazy.
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Very, very unique.
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It's the majority of what the smell in this is.
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Oh, wait.
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This may be the wrong stick.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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This is Kumito Riyoko aloe's wood.
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It isn't aloe's wood, but it's a way lower grade than what I was trying to pull out of there.
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I'd gone to Kentucky and visited the Buffalo Trace distillery.
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That was cool.
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It would have been closed, but I happened to show up just as Toyota was coming in with two buses that they'd chartered and had gotten an arrangement to have a tour of the place and just walked up to the crowd and followed them through.
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Nice.
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Oh, wow.
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They've got this warehouse that was built in 1881.
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It's got, I think it might be 2,300 barrels.
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Maybe it was more than that, but it's five stories of open brick exterior and then just timber inside racks holding all these things.
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And the smell of all of this whiskey evaporating through the barrels is just unbelievable.
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You get downwind of this building and it's like, oh.
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Okay, but does it smell like whiskey then?
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Yeah.
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Okay, so that's the stuff.
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This is the situator.
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That's hard to smell.
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Oh, wow.
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Wow, that's got a sort of a weird deep kind of like undertone, but then it's got like this sort of sweet thing on top.
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Someone said that it smells hot without being spicy.
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So how do you know about the instances?
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Have you actually gone over there and like research these trees or are you just reading stuff off the back of things and packages?
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Reading material online, mostly.
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Okay.
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It's a hobby that's been brewing for a long time.
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Well, it's kind of cool to know.
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I started burning frankincense back in the 80s.
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Oh, okay.
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It was occasionally and then went for a lot of years without any incense.
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And then I recently kind of got back into it because I smoked for too many years and then quit in 2000.
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Okay.
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And occasionally I still get the fidgety habit.
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Right.
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And lighting a stick and just rolling it around like that.
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That's something burning in my hand and it satisfies my stupid habit.
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I have don't smoke cigarettes and don't stay away from that, but works for me.
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Well, see, that's cool because I was never really sure of that instance.
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And I'm sure there is the faking since maybe, but I kind of always wondered if it was like, I don't know, real stuff that I was burning or if it was just like, you know, like produce.
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Yeah, because there is a lot of the stuff is all pure raw ingredients.
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And a lot of it is also perfume.
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There are a few companies that very deftly combine things like that.
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Diatsu is one of them to make something called Tokus and Tonka that is an incense containing French perfume.
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And normally I just do not like perfume at all.
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It's a headache.
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And at first I hated the stuff, but then I started burning it outside.
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And there was something about snowing it from 10-15 paces away on the wind.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I mean, so how does it get stuffy in the apartment or the house or whatever, if you try to do that?
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Sometimes they don't fade well either, right?
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The sake of burning that fenugreek stuff in the car, because I just cleaned the car out.
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And it's like that still has kind of a smell.
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So I put a stick in there, sealed it all up and let it burn out and then soak into the car.
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It was not a good result.
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It probably seemed like a really good idea at the time, but it didn't smell like incense.
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It smelled just like bad, stale smoke.
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Have you ever smelled like just pure sage?
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Yeah.
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That's really good.
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That could be all right.
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Yeah.
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I was shooting a movie in Oklahoma and we met this guy, a Native American who knew just about every niece that you could burn for a certain sort of experience or whatever.
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Smudging.
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That's what it's called.
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Smudging is a burning, richly burning sage fungles usually and sometimes it's used to dispel a lethal or something.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Yeah, that's what he was talking about.
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Yeah, okay.
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Yeah, I've used that before, usually along with a Tibetan chant, whom Vajrape.
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I'll do things whether I believe they work or not.
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Sometimes it is an interesting trick.
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That's a lot of magic has to do with just thinking it's going to work.
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Yeah, yeah, true.
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So what about slackware?
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Oh, yeah, slackware.
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How does that tie into this whole ritualistic burning of aromas?
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Well, I do usually keep that going on my desk.
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Yeah, so.
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So there is a tie.
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And it's, and I guess part of how I ended up knowing about that still, you know, how the incense is made and what not.
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If something is compiling and I sometimes will not multitask and will go read stuff online.
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Yeah.
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I earn me out too much if I try to utilize myself at a hundred percent speed.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So I'll look at other stuff and incense is a big interest in music.
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Yeah.
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I should have brought my banjo here.
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Oh, that would have been cool.
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Yeah, banjo.
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Play banjo.
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Play banjo.
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That'd be cool.
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I play, um, I don't play, but I'm trying to learn like some guitar.
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Yeah, I play guitar.
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Yeah.
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I mean, it's kind of a garciish noodling.
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Oh, cool.
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It's like when my, sort of like, actually, garcias kind of, I mean, I don't know that many guitar.
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Like rock guitarist.
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I don't, I'm not that much of an aficionado.
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But like when I hear him doing the guitar, I always kind of, I can tell it's him.
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You can know.
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Sometimes one note is all it takes and it's something about the way you grab the string.
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And it's like, oh, that's chair.
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Yeah.
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But yeah, that is, uh, he's probably got my biggest guitar influence.
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And that's what I play is that nudily lyrical.
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Oh, that's cool.
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Totally improvised as much as possible.
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And that's the struggle that you continually have to play.
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Any type of jazz music is to, uh, purge yourself of the canned riffs.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Or you get lazy and emit them.
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And everyone does.
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You would hear Garcia do it too.
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He had a few things that he would fall back on.
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Whether he tried to avoid that or not.
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I don't know.
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Oh, you know.
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Well, I mean, some of his jams are just unbelievably just like, I wish they would never end.
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You know, what is like?
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You know, it's weird for me about the dad and none of the other jam bands.
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It's ever really fully capsuted for me.
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Is this feeling that they're not thinking any farther ahead than the note that they're on?
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And then the whole band gets into the same headspace.
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Yeah.
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And that is just odd, dude.
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Yeah, it really is.
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Well, I don't know.
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I've been interested in things like jack as a possible addition, depending on how much, uh, structure that would add.
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I'm not interested in the pole audio, but the jack would be good to have.
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I have to say, it's really great doing multimedia on Slackware.
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And that's having come for me from Mac OS 10 as my main platform.
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And then trying to find a Linux distribution that could do multimedia solid, you know.
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And finding that sure enough, it was Slackware, the little distra that I'd start with at like version, I think 12.1 is my climate fan.
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So fairly new to it.
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But, you know, it's.
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It was a while ago.
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Yeah.
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Actually, and that is something that I've been wanting about, I guess, because my impression is that Slackware releases fairly infrequently so that it can remain stable and try to true.
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Or is it more like because you don't multitask it enough?
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No, it is a case where the way that development occurs is that by its nature, you have to start slowly.
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I mean, we're working right now towards Slackware next.
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Yeah.
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And I want to get pernels up and stuff like that.
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But you've got to do the dangerous things early on and let them just kind of soak.
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Okay.
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And then, as it is, you just can kind of feel that the release is coming.
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It's a real intuition that I will not say at any point, oh, our next release will be this November 14th.
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We're going to put out Slackware 14.0.
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Right.
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I wouldn't do that because I don't know what the state of affairs will be and there's really no way to predict.
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It's something that Mad Dog said to me that it stuck with me.
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It's just so much easier to swim downstream.
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And it's true.
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You could just fight the way everything is coming along and try to change it, but I try just not to.
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Yeah.
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And it is a case by the end of the Devcycle.
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It's a race to catch up and to keep caught up.
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And there is no way to do that early on.
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Yeah.
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So that's what happens.
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Yeah.
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But this is, so this is your first Southeast Lilland Sunday Fest.
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Yeah, I know.
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What, why are you here?
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Robbie and the other guys, I guess, they're excited about this.
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It's kind of the home turf.
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Yeah.
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There's several slackers here who I have not met in person.
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I don't know.
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And that's V-Bats.
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Yeah.
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David Samarro.
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Oh, okay.
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And I'll say, and Dev Rob Zero, people I never had face time with.
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Yeah.
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And that is an important thing.
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You can't do it all.
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It is kind of cool, right?
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Yeah.
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You got it.
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You got to go and see people.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I haven't been to a Linux conference in a long time.
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Really?
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I was going to have.
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I was going to have.
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In 2008.
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Do you know that I was actually there as well, but I was, I had just gotten into Linux, I think.
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And I was way too shy to talk to people.
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So you and a podcaster named Chess Griffin, who I used to have seen two of us.
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Yeah.
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S-B-O-P-K-G.
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And I think someone else was there.
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Oh, Dave Yates, the guy who actually sort of is the mastermind of this festival.
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And I was.
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And I was talking to you at the bar, or at least hung out in proximity.
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Yeah.
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We very well may have.
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So it's kind of funny, but.
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Because it seems like I talked to almost everyone there.
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It was a large crowd.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, you're probably right.
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But that's the funny thing about, I guess, Linux.
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And I'm sure a lot of people say this a lot of times.
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But you know, you've got these people who basically affect your daily life.
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Because you're using software that they have developed.
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Or a collection of software that they put together for you.
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And they're normal people.
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You know, and they turn out not to be like intimidating or mean.
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Yeah.
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Or too famous to be bothered.
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Yeah.
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Just like.
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I don't know how to handle a lot of that, which is part of why I'll stay.
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Yeah.
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I don't want to be told that.
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Oh.
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You've affected my life.
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I don't mind.
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I don't mind it.
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I guess I am.
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I do like to hear someone say, you know, everything has been better and completely different
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because of this.
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I never would have known about any of this.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, it's so pretty cool.
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That's.
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You look happy.
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Not again.
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That's.
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How are you?
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I'm talking to you because I know you make you cringe up.
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Yeah.
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You can see I try to hide that.
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It's only for the software.
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Where did you come up with the GPL version?
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Eugene off the local station it didn't have any kind of a relay that was terribly far and it was very good
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quality so good that when I put this patch on I sent the one track back and was like here I got
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a fix for you and they're like where did you get this? I patched it for my FM that we couldn't even
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hear the patch. The guy said it was the cleanest it was. I probably threw away a bit more of the
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board tape that I could have. I had shopped about 10 seconds of their board signal
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away to find a better place to hide the slice. Yeah as long as the slice got hidden I mean that's
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okay. It's not missing anything. It's taking 10 more seconds from FM but it worked out. Yeah that's
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cool. There's a Stella Blue reporting. I think it was with Jerry Garcia band and it's like 16 minutes
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long. If you ever encounter that well that's the one to listen to. I don't remember Jerry band
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doing Stella but it's possible. It might not be. It might have just been the dead. I was there for
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the last performance of Stella Blue and that version June 28th of 95 in St. Louis somewhere near
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St. Louis. He has the most emotional almost break down at the end of the song. More so than
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usually he really went with it. Wow. Yeah that's a wow. Yeah that's really cool. Shivers down the
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spine just to think about that. Yeah a lot of very odd moments on that last tour of the tour from
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hell and we all somehow I think we knew this was coming. Yeah I think that there was there was
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a realization. Another thing that is very odd is that as early as the mid 80s there was some sort
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of understanding among the dead heads that there was going to be at the last show they would do
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Unbroken Chain and the last song they would ever play was Boxer Rain and we knew that. I don't
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know how we knew that but we were right. They had never played Unbroken Chain live. It came out
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in 1973 and they started playing it early in 95. It did get played at the last show. The last
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Jerry song for the encore was Black Muddy River which is also almost like it is almost like okay
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I have to go off the die now. I'm very strange and then Phil just to take some into Boxer Rain
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they almost never did a double encore and they did. It was like weird stuff that I later tried
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to go see and it was like did anyone write this down in advance or did it was this just like some
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bit of collective or that we can't prove we knew this ahead of time. Well we can't. Do you
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remember what else was going on at that time? What was going on in the world? You know what I mean?
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Was this just a grateful dead thing? Was it just the grateful dead coming to an end or whatever?
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Yeah for me the period of time that strikes me as
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normal novelty and everybody seems to have some kind of agreement. What I've talked about this
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is spring of 96. I don't know what happened then but
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odd stuff occurred in spring of 96. Do you know much about the
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I'm sure by now you could not possibly have avoided this 12-21-12 thing. Well naturally right yeah.
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We were following that in the 80s as well and a book that was out then called The Invisible Landscape
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that was written by Dennis McKenna and Terence McKenna and talks about how they discovered somehow
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they had gone down to Brazil, went to the the rainforest and with the natives did some sort of
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native psychedelic mushrooms for like a month they just remained and they said that they had
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conversations with an alien insectoid intelligence who told them about this 12-21-12 thing and that it
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was actually because time does not run in the direction we think it does and that's where that's
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where the beginning point is and that it's emanating backwards and why that would be I can't think
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of any good reason for that but then then okay now I'm going to prove it to you and here's how it
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works and shows them all of this math and the all of the hexagrams of the eaching. Have you ever
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used that or heard much about that? Well me Philip K Dick wrote the whole man in the high tower
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based on the eaching. He actually let that guy the story. Oh so he would ask the eaching where
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the story was to go well that would probably work really well. I don't bother the oracle unless
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I have a real question because it tends to give you your answer whether you like it or not and
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I don't think I've ever had that fail on me but yeah the something about the sequence of the normal
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king when when sequence of hexagrams then can be made into this wave and when superimposed
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and this 12-21-12 thing is weird too because it was another spring in 96 this is going to get
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me in trouble talking about this crap but spring in 96 I'm not quite sure what happened
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you know I want like temporarily nuts and I came up with that same date they've never really you
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know paid attention I think that the invisible landscape as a book came to my attention
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around man really it was a friend of mine who was reading it back from the 80s and what not
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and brought it to my attention like in April or May of 96 after I'd already been toying with that
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and had had thought that there was something weird too about 12-21-12 that there's only two numbers
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and it's almost like half-assed binary and it began to look at it well no it's really 0-1-1-0-0-1
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which is what I think that's what Bender rattles off and the is it 0-1-1-0-1-0-1-0-1-0-1
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the whole concept of the time wave zero is that novelty is some sort of an essential force of
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the universe the opposite of entropy and it comes and goes like a tide and as the wave approaches
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the zero line things get stranger as it goes back up things get more normal and follow old patterns
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when they took this thing they didn't know quite where to apply it and they started looking for
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historical events to to match it to figure out where to put this thing and found
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you know huge dips around like the end of World War Two and the bombs got dropped
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and all of it ended up leading to this date and then there's that whole Mayan connection to it
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right right and that was something I used when I I should have saved that but slackware
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13.0 if you look in the slackware version etc slackware version it says it's version 13.0.0.0.0.0 that's the
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that is the Mayan date for the rollover after 12 2012 my my GPG key also expires on 12 21 12
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I've had that key since 98 or something yeah yeah I had to I had to figure out how to
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force PG or GPG to generate that so that it would expire on that day so do you think that time
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is linear I mean you personally I'm not sure if I believe in time in any fashion that
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in a lot of ways it's an illusion caused by you know our motions and whether whether there even
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is such a thing other than the present moment I'm not sure I'm convinced of yeah well did you ever
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hear that but maybe I am maybe in fact I would think almost of time and space as we know it as
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really being like a crystal that is very solid and does not move it just looks like it yes from
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our perspective of being in different parts of it I don't know what I guess sort of a mantra I
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guess or something but it's like um to what is it not my own ring of kill probably to move
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is to suffer or move it through movement come suffer or something like that the inverse of that
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basically being still actually avoid suffering and I always thought that that was like incredibly
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simple if you just take it for what it says although I am translating it so I don't know exactly
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what it says but at least to my English ears it sounds like movement causes suffering and it
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makes sense if everything is still no one suffers if you ignore all sensory input to manage to
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steal your thoughts that is an extremely extremely interesting place yes and it is infinite vast
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without suffering I haven't actually been able to get quite in there's a certain level of voidness
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that is very difficult to achieve and I think my meditation have to go a lot farther it is not
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existing and also not not existing you have to be between those two states and
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and really undefined well do you focus on like a single point when you're meditating or do you like
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when when I have had success it is a lack of focus it is letting go of your thoughts
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it is like a relaxation of your mind and like your hand twitching around like this it just
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finally going on and just letting it stop it's not for me even possible to reach a point where
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I don't have consciousness but it has been possible to reach a point where that is all there is
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and there is no character to it other than its simple existence it kind of makes me think that
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maybe the consciousness that we all have is emerging out of a shared baseline that we're sort of
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players for the consciousness of reality we're like a tape deck moving along and playing the
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latent background noise which is aware of itself now that I like latent background noise because
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I love latent background noise because like we were saying earlier this is the brain the my notion of
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physics and metaphysics it's not impossible to conceive that all this happens exactly the way
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it was but there is no consciousness and no one who's really watching the old coin about the tree
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the tree files in the forest and there's no one there to hear it doesn't make a sound no because
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it doesn't even exist it has to be observed nothing can happen the whole universe without some
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observation at least this is where I'm getting I think my understanding of reality I think a rock
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is at least conscious of being a rock and sits there in kind of a similar state to some of the
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meditation I would try for and hope to get I mean to actually get things to quiet just really quiet
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maybe half a dozen times of hold on I've had one time I had a very vivid vision of
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goddess like it was like an elephant goddess like a female Ganesha wearing these flowing
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robes that were covered in text that looked very much like Hindi and was in constant motion it was
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constantly rewriting itself and even though I couldn't read it I could it was all beaming some
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information straight into my brain wow and yeah it was a very odd thing I was just trying to get
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the quiet again I ended up some place and that was very strange yeah and that's and that's not
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quite because you're getting information with the same thing yeah yeah I don't know when
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Hinduism of an elephant goddess I did try to look online and found at least one other person
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describing what sounded like the exact same thing if you can really get all the synopsis just
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with the world I have to think that that space has got some tangent to death
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yes it is a way rich and for some it's like if you know if you were a computer and you were running
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if you're interested in something you should be exposed to it so I had a lot of connections with
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people at universities in the area but yeah they had some sort of a PDP running an early BSD
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over there and it had the whole lineup of the BSD games and this guy brought me to see the computer
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and I got to play with lasers holograms we'll see the computing facilities at all the different
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universities but especially play with a unix command line at the age of like six or seven and
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after that I got more into the more personal computer type built a calculating device based on
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relay is when I was in third grade that had toggles to set this off and could be hardwired with a
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program that ended up getting into the science fair there was for much older children than going
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all the way to states but not winning there but having them go huh oh there was some jealousy
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that this kid was there because at some point before the event someone wouldn't hold all the
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layers off the top oh you serious yep so I came back to my thing and it's hard code was gone yeah
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they erased it but it was erased well whatever yeah when I had an Atari 2600
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was interested in that I guess wanted to get things like the basic programming thing wanted to
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get a time X in Claire at the point when those first came out it was like you want a computer for
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$99 dollars that was like the greatest deal in the world but ended up with an apple too okay
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still have it it was overclocked from one to ten megahertz
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so I got it all that but I always liked units I actually ended up running with something
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called hyper C on the apples you that had a unique slight command line environment in an
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integer C compiler oh wow okay and so that kept me as well with you know so it was it I mean
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there was a real C compiler yeah it was well it was not it was I mean not standard it was
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integer C it couldn't handle floating point at all and it had to you know only have
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substantive of the functions but you could do programming with it yeah it was interesting
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and it was a compiled language which was rare to have a true compiled language in an apple too
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almost everything was interpreted even though the so-called compiled things were usually a
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piece system or something and we've compiled to P code and then run that in a P code interpreter
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yeah when I got to yeah like my second or third college the one I finally graduated from one of my
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profs in an artificial intelligence class had us using Lisp and I hated the Lisp interpreter
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that he had for us to use which was for DOS and it was just garbage yeah and that was my
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initial interest in Linux I had already been kind of interested about it I heard about it
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at a Christmas party at a screen printing company in December 1992 and when that's when it kind
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of went it first came out yeah 91 was but by then it was beginning to work yeah okay and
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H.J. Lee was bootroot disk was available then early versions of SLS were out yeah and that was
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what I ended up pulling down MCC plus TAMU SLS a bunch of these different early distributions
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and yeah trying the modern name back then yeah TAMU was just because of people developing it
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we were at Texas A&M okay MCC because it was the Manchester Computing Club in England okay
|
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that started to make little bit more sense yeah but so I needed something we could do less
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and SLS shipped with sea lisp so I was like all right I'm in business and pulled that down and
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then started poking around the environment and discovered you know that it was trouble it didn't
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want to install right it didn't get all these other problems and it was him telling me you know
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I'd really like to give the people in like class this and say here use this as a Lisp it's a
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better Lisp and closer to common Lisp and so on and it's like but it doesn't want to install and
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it's got all these bugs so I'm like let me see what I can do about that nice yeah and by the time
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then I was like here here you go you can it's ready to go you can have it then other people are
|
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going to want this I should just you know put it up for FTP or something and would not ever have
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thought that you know within and I will continue to work on it for 17 years yeah really I know
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that's what bizarre I thought that I'm going to put this out and I really thought that Peter or
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McDonald SLS was going to go oh I better diff my stuff against this and find these fixes and
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roll them in but it really happened and uh quickly I had people who were like relying on me it
|
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became a support issue very early on that people needed help and they needed it to keep working and
|
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you better keep doing this because we need this wow that is so okay I guess I you know my
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calling has found me so with so I mean you don't do Lisp much anymore I'm sure no really so it's
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just CLS that you were working on yeah okay and uh was Emax not or I mean that I think of Lisp
|
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before I think of Emax I don't even think it ever occurred to me to try to use Emax or even
|
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I I'm not entirely sure how to execute Lisp within Emax I'm really not much of an Emax user okay
|
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but uh and I'm not even a vim user I use Elvis which is why that's still linked to Vex
|
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I don't I don't want uh something to color things in and I also don't like uh
|
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occasionally if I'm having a problem and I really cannot find it visual inspection I will
|
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load it into Vim to see what Vim has to say about it but um see there but Vim also has a habit of
|
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sometimes picking up like Easter Oaks and going into weird modes I don't understand yeah and
|
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and V.I. is more like your Elvis is more like the old V.I. I remember so what about you are you
|
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an Elvis of V.I. or a Emax? Vim Vibats Vibats is Vibats thinks I should change that simlink
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well there's a deal most people probably think I should change that simlink
|
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I like the simlink I like I like I do think that is the default thing I don't need to do this
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thing I think I've got a box I know there's a box somewhere that's the actually just as Vim
|
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it's one of my arm machines but if you I forget exactly what I have to look at it can be but you
|
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can say to your Vim RC that it behaves more sanely than that default thing yeah it's it's more like
|
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a traditional V.I. it doesn't it doesn't it doesn't get you know sometimes you don't need all this
|
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in tech or highlighting and although it's just to ship the real deal I think I did have N.V.I.
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in there at maybe an extra years ago probably before I might just sit and head up
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I don't know Jesus yeah it could be just so are they still like
|
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all of her did the education and open source
|
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and it's all guinea there's like I'm staring at a god man
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oh yeah it's like that until I do it with the lucky charm shoes
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no yeah yeah that's a guy
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he's like he's like the inter usb commercial he's really mostly a normal person
|
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everyone is a famous person in their own movie
|
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and so I was scared to come over here I didn't know
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I'm like I don't know how you're so young that's my big thing I expected like
|
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well how how old do you know do you think I am
|
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slapper has been around since like what like 1960s or 30s yes I can't remember
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huh are you still recording this I wouldn't have said anything
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haha well I mean I you know how I know I don't I don't I don't represent reality
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I don't actually I'm just a random person here we have Patrick sent this to me
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haha I'm glad I was so recording
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like the first time I heard this I mean I I don't think I've ever heard
|
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the the same that that sound quality except maybe like you say from a
|
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dad but then I've never had a dad a portable dad who out in the world so naturally it's
|
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going to sound good in the studio and then you're like you know this thing you can just
|
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carry around yeah I had I had mics made by a place called a chorus sound I don't know if you ever
|
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heard of them the guy makes bullet mics there in 22 casings and and have little alligator clips
|
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in the back of them and you can you know put them on your hat and manage to stealth record
|
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that right but they're very high quality it's got a the well the good ones are the the
|
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cheap ones don't have any battery box but the good one has got phantom power nice and the mics
|
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are just no real self noise to speak of yeah I took that thing and set it out next to a pond in
|
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upstate New York where there are about a bazillion bull frogs doing their thing and let it take and
|
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that is that is an interesting recording to put on it's like you're just in the middle of it
|
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all these come by
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they built it to a dream
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a broken angel sing from a guitar
|
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yeah there's just the song
|
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it's crying like the wind
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yeah
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do
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it's still a blue
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When all the cards are down There's nothing left to see
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There's just a painted man and proper dreams
|
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The end is just a song
|
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It's crying like a cat
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You're all alone, that's ever been
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Still alone, still alone
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I've stated every move that she fucks down
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And we'll try it
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That's not the first escape, it's just a plot box
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I'm gonna make a shot
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That's not the first escape, it's just a plot box
|
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That's not the first escape, it's just a plot box
|
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It all rolls into one
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And nothing comes to free
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There's nothing you can hold for very long
|
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And when you hear that song
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I'm crying like a wind
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It seems like all this line was just a dream
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Still alone
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Still alone
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Still alone
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Still alone
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Still alone
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Still alone
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