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Episode: 3111
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Title: HPR3111: HPR Community News for June 2020
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Source: https://hub.hackerpublicradio.org/ccdn.php?filename=/eps/hpr3111/hpr3111.mp3
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Transcribed: 2025-10-24 17:05:29
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This is Hacker Public Radio Episode 3111 for Monday 6 July 2020. Today's show is entitled
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HPR Community News for June 2020
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and is part of the series HPR Community News. It is hosted by HPR volunteers
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and is about 60 minutes long
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and carries an explicit flag. The summary is
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Dave struggles to keep Ken on track as they talk about released and comments
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hosted in June 2020.
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Music
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Hello everybody my name is Ken Fallon and you're listening to another episode of Hacker Public Radio
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Today Community News for June 2020
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Joining me live live live from from from Scotland Scotland Scotland
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It's Dave Morris
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Hello everybody I think the live is a relative term but yes
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Well live from me Dave, live from me
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Yes, yes how's everything?
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Everything is gone okay, ish.
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It's a busy here in the backroom dusting
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Oh, excellent
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Child labour, it's terrible
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Yeah, mine are a bit too old to get them to do that sort of stuff now
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Be more likely to get me to do for them
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So this is HPR, Hacker Public Radio is a community podcast network
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Which is kind of probably needs a bit of explain and as to what that is
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We are a family of shared so it's one single podcast but people contribute
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Chills to that podcast and
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And the people who contribute Chills are not
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Are the people who listen to the episode so essentially anybody can contribute to this podcast that is Hacker Public Radio
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So this is the community news show done by some of the genders around here
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So the main thing we do is look back and
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Show us for the last month so that if you missed something at least
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Dave and I have come to donut people are welcome to join as well
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We've switched it now to 1600 no to 1400 UTC
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Which works out better for me
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Yep, good good
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So technically my 50 megabit fiber has gone down to half a megabit upload
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And it is killing me, it's killing me at the minute
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So there's an engineer coming out on Monday to have a look
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So if this show is the older is a bit crappy, you probably know why
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So we start off by introducing the new host, go ahead Dave
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Well, there's going to be a deafening silence because I know you host this one sadly
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How is that possible?
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How is that possible though when you look at the numbers, the download numbers
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And you look at the number of hosts that we've had in our entirety
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There's only about 10% Dave, where are the other 90% the silent masses?
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Have they nothing to speak? Have they no contributions to make to the network?
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Why? Why do they do this to me every week Dave?
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Every month we have the same thing
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It's terrible, it's terrible
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Do you feel guilty now?
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Not you obviously
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Do you listening to this who has contributed to the show?
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Okay, any who, enough of this craziness, the most important thing in the water here
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Because I'm acting a little bit funny
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So let's have a look at what went on last month
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The community news show we did, did we?
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Or did I forget to turn up for that one as well?
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No, no, no, that was definitely, since here Ken was on board this time
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In my notes
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Got a zaris together, figured out how to use a trap
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But my connection went down and came back over again
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So it's a good thing you were around otherwise it would have been even more embarrassing to me
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So no comments on that show, so we didn't say anything controversial
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Ha ha, be plenty of comments on this show
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Lots of controversial stuff coming up later
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Stay tuned
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But first show of the month was the phonetic alphabet
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Which is I put in the ham radio section
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And there was one comment
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That was from CRVS
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Do you want to do that one Dave?
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Yes CRVS says you forgot November
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So in the end
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I finally got the chorus of that one blood hand gang song for which is episode is relevant
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Nice
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I have no idea what he's talking about
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I'm just finding out
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Saw automotive
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Anyway, the phonetic alphabet is a fun thing
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Yes, yes
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I used to have it written out and pinned on the wall beside my desk at work
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I should do that again actually
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It makes sure I've got one nearby because it's useful thing to have in your head
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It's yeah, I use it all the time
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It was one of the things on the
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I worked in the health desk and was one of the things I you learned straight off
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Because we had to have an international one because every country has got their own
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Versions of us in the Dutch one they have like names
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Zantippa
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X
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14 or so
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S for Zantippa
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S
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Kind of weird one that they have
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Well not weird one obviously it's perfectly normal if you're Dutch but it's not very phonetic
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So the reason
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You should record one
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You should record one
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As a reply
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As a reply to cloud 2
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It can actually be the
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Different languages you know the Mandarin one and the yeah
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Exactly
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Yeah, yeah, Swahili one I'm looking forward to already
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Cool
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Actually if you're if you're a Dutch listener and you haven't contributed to the show
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That's might be a good introduction one
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So the following day we had what is now a series Dave
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Matchbox cars and we pop that in under model hacking
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Creating restoring painting all sorts of models from RPG characters to model cars
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I like that and it was one of Tony Hughes's
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AKA Tony H1212
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Where did you ever tell us what that H1212 thing is?
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I was just thinking I've never asked him
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We should get the story at some point
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Yeah, that will be a show about it
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Tony would have no problem doing that
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So I don't think there were any comments on that one
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The following day we had for my entertainment
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How I have my file server and media center put together
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And this was by Arthur 72
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Nice little episode at this one about using Slackware
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Nice overall introduction to settling everything up
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And I must admit I copied the sambar snippet myself as I was setting up something there
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Nice notes
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It was the thing that struck me
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It was sort of notes that you can go back and dig into later on and understand
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It was very good
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Yeah, all those big fans of the old show notes here
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Dave and I
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Indeed
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So again, no comments on that
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So we will move on to a show that had two comments
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And that was advanced in map tips
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Locating computers on the enterprise network
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Where operator put me to shame
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Pop me to shame
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With my episode 3052
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Locating computers on the network
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Do you want to do the first one?
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Yeah, I'll do Beezy's reply comment
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Thanks for reminding me he says good episode
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Thanks for reminding me that I know nothing about networking
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Well, it's you and me both, John
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Yeah, it's amazing actually
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There should be more networking tools here people
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Don't assume that people know how to do this stuff
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No, no
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It's got so much more complicated than I used to be in charge of it
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At one point when we were running X25
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And X25 is relatively simple
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But once you got into a packet rings and all these other weird things
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And then ethernet I started to look at the plot
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Yeah, but it's pretty much ethernet now
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Is the everything goes to ethernet
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Now
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Yeah, yeah, yeah
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By a nerd
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Anyway, CM Hub says quality episode really enjoyed this one
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Find myself nutting along an agreement
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And finishing some of your sentence
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Lots of good refreshes and some new tips in here for me
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Thanks a ton for submitting this one
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Mmm, Dave
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Yep, yep, yep
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Would that be a good point?
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Is that let me just look into the ethernet there
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Do I see CM Hub's raising his hand?
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Submitting a few series
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A few episodes in the series there?
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Yeah, I think it might be
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Completely
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It could be
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Oh, Lordy
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Another one on the router thing
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OpenBSD server building a new Wi-Fi router and server
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From Zenfloder
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This one I listened to while my daughter was in the dentist
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Social distancing, etc
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And
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It was good that the show notes were here, you went through them as well
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But yeah, I'm not really into
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I've not really done a lot with BSD
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But this was interesting to see the approach
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Absolutely, absolutely
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There were things here which rang vague bells from the days of
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Cisco networking and firewalls and stuff
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But yeah, different and intriguing
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Yeah, most fascinating
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Not at all complicated, but just
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Now that you know how to
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Easy once you know how to do a type thing
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Yeah, but also very easy to mess up if you don't know what you're doing
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You're just going by our experiences way back
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Setting up the fancy firewall rules and stuff
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And then the consultant and he said
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He did it all wrong mate, he did it all wrong
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He did it all wrong, he did it all wrong
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Oh, okay then, right, fine
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That's why it wasn't working then
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Yeah, exactly
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Norrist says, read on your voucher
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The idea of running your home voucher offer
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Read only file system is very interesting
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To which Zen Flutter 1 replied
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Read only routes
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You can set up the GUITAR because that's for no
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But I open BSD to actually lock all route access rights off
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In this case, the file system is read into memory on boot
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That file system is locked down for the duration
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No one can make any changes to the system from that point forward
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It could be run in QEMU and even locked down
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What drives could be accessed with the DD command as well
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This makes any kind of attack absolutely impossible
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Wow, impressive
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Interesting
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Hello Dave
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Oh yeah, yeah, I'm here, yeah
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Sorry
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So speaking, oh, no, that was interesting actually
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They're all read only thing
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Yeah, yeah, I've never come across such a thing
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Yeah, you learn a lot, don't you?
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On this HBR thing
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You do indeed
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Speaking of which, pens, pencils, paper and ink are two
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Another one that we made, the art of writing an open series on writing tools, media supplies and techniques
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In this show, Dave talks about pens, pencils, writing paper and ink
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Actually, this was useful
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This is one where you explained the clicking the review of some pens
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Is this the one where you went through the type of paper or stuff?
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Start the next one
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Do you not care, I remember how
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Good morning
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I did mention paper, yeah, yeah
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The feathering and that sort of stuff
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I found that very useful to know
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Yeah, yeah, it's a thing that you plan to trip over if you're into that sort of pen and stuff
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So there's a lot of crappy paper out there
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I didn't get any comments on this but I do get an email from Zoke who was saying something to the fact that
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Oh, I don't know whether I should be sending in a show in this series, which I said
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Send it, so I'm sure
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Absolutely
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Hopefully we will be hearing from Zoke at some point
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So I hope you're listening
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Good, like a show please
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Been wild, somebody could do with Send it in the show
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Indeed
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This is Claudio Miranda's response to Linux in laws
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A bit more history about the next step
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Computer program and monochromic says a review of the review
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Thanks for the valuable feedback Claudio will tackle that as part of a few episode
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Future episode and true to his word he does
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Following day, cyclop our lease hacker
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Holy crud, I have a kinesis advantage to keyboard, wow, that looks weird
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Yeah, and I mentioned this to my sons, you've ever heard of them
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I don't know, I've got one
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Oh, okay
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I'm somewhat touched with the level of certificate
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We're talking to you about that
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That point of which he dozed off
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Yeah
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So yeah, but these are most impressive things
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As he said, my son said, you can borrow it if you like, but having looked at this
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I don't
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It's a standard layout in the keys
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Well Jack, or anything, but wait
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Maybe we should describe it
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But it's like as if you've got a plank erectangle
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And somebody has taken two ice cream cubes, scoops
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Out from the top, left and the top right
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And then put half the keyboard keys in there on either side
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And you just sit in that ice cream scoop thing
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And at your thumbs there are more keys like delete and enter and backspace and stuff
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Yep, yep, yep, it looks like I can touch types
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So that's a problem
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It would be a good thing to learn on actually
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I did borrow keyboard from my son as a consequence of this show
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And it's a gold touch keyboard which is one of these
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sort of flatter type keyboards
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But it's split into two
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So you can get various orientations that suit the positions where your hands are
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Because with both your hands together quite close together on the standard keyboard
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You can end up with shoulder issues after if you're using it day in day out
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And so these types of keyboards are quite good for wrist action, repetitive
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straining, jeery, shoulder issues, etc.
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But I'm crap, absolutely
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You're too old to learn this new stuff
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Let me give it a go
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The thing about that tool to stuff is you say it in 20 years later you're still going
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Fuck it
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I should have said that
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20 years ago
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Yeah, yeah, I'm giving it a try
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I'm giving it a try
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Anywho, to what the do, say I'm obsessed
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Seem obsessed says great keyboard
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I've been using a kinesis advantage for years owner of two and I love them
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They've helped with my RSI coin a lot
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A couple of notes, the scape and function keys are membrane, I'm pretty sure
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One can also program the keyboard to beep on all key presses
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Which is useful to avoid bottoming out
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I agree with you two weeks skill that acquisition time with keyboard
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I find that many years later
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I still want to use the advantage plus and equals and
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And tilde locations on any other keyboard
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Thanks for sharing this one
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Cool
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The following day
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Ahuka comes along with a gimp series
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An overview of the open source graphics program with a focus on
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To graphic issues
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And there are two comments on this one
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The first one is Brian and Ohio
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The gimp, Rachel
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My wife and I are both avid bird watchers and this year I added taking pictures of them the birds
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To the mix and I wanted to process some of these photos
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And I often thought of the gimp
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Looking forward to more tutorials
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If they're half as good as the Libra offer set
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They'll be awesome
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Thanks for the show
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That's great to recommend
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Ahuka says, I'm glad it helped
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I'm glad you liked it
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I've had one more already uploaded in the queue
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I've just finished writing a third one
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So there is more to come
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Yeah great stuff
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As Brian says
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If it's Ahuka and he's doing a series on something like this it's going to learn a lot of things
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Absolutely
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Because that Libra offer series is
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Legendary now at this point
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So the following day
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CM Hubs tried something new
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Which was a rambling walk on his
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A rambling show while he was taking his
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Mandatory lockdown walk I guess
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About putting a new PC together
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This is interesting because I basically just switched the pies now
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And failing that
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Chromebooks which I convert to
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Link real Linux machines
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Did he give and I that said I bought a second hand
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Well it was a damaged
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Machine which was new
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So but it was around the same price as a Chromebook
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250 bucks but it was a good machine
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That said
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Did you say how much this was going to be?
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Can you give us a price
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I don't recall him saying
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And making notes on it
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I met a conscious effort to listen
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But I don't think he mentioned a price during this
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It would be nice to
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To know
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It's quite an interesting configuration
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So you think it cost a few pennies
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Yeah I have no idea I could
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Go figure out how much all of this would be but then again
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It's never going to be the same price as a Raspberry Pi so
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You know what I mean
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No no it's just true
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I did build a computer back in 2013
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And since
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It cost me a fair bit but I've been really happy with it
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It's lasted a long time
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I imagine this one is going to be the same
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It's going to have a lot of life to it
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Yeah so good for him
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Mike Bremer says
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A productive walk
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It's been at least 15 years since I attempted to pick all
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The parts and build my own PC
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But after hearing your talk
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I think I'll give it another try
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Thanks for the inspiration
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And CM Hobbs replies
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Reproductive walk
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Glad to hear it I was
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It was not nearly as challenging as I had expected
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Given the tools on PC part picker
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The hardest part was actually finding things that could ship
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And to swap parts on the build here and there via that site
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Before I finally got everything together
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Or for happy building
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I hadn't seen the link
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You didn't have a link to PC part picker in the show notes
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I might have a browse at that to see what it's about
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It's a bit like tweakers.net probably over here
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Price comparison website
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Anyway following day
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Linux outlaws the big blue button
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And this was a talk to Fred Tixen the product manager of big blue button
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And there were two comments
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One was by an anonymous listener
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Free software licensing
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Discussion about licenses
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And contributionary agreements
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Was interesting and informative
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For example I really liked the way Fred explained how the LGPL works
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In the context projects like the big blue button
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And how it compares to the AGPL
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Thanks for the show
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And a hooker
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Comments
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I really enjoyed the interview
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Good solid information about an open source project
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Yeah good
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Excellent
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I think our
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Linux use groups using big blue button
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I've not actually used it
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Myself yet
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But I think that's what they decided on as a way of doing
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You know virtual
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Virtual meetings and stuff
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So most intrigued to see what it's like
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Yeah
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Like to have a comparison of that
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And jitsy and other video
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Open a comparison of open video
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Platform solutions
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Why you would use one over the other
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Yeah
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So Tony Hughes's
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Matchbox
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Rich Storation Part 3
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And these
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These cars are in a bad state really
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But as it goes along
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You will see them develop
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Which is kind of cool
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And then
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Yes
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I love the pictures
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Thanks Tony for the pictures
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Because it really gives you a deep insight into
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What's going on there
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And some of the history of this sort of stuff
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And just
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How to put them together
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I was always able to take them apart
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But never had
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I'm interested to see how he
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Put them back together
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So in Linux
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In laws the review of the review
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So this was
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I think the one where they were talking about
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Claudio's
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Comments as well
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To
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And Claudio himself commented
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All according to my plan
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You really thought I wouldn't have done my research before
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Recordings
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I had already found out
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About the new pricing scheme
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And insight source
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From the deep web
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Way before my review
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And given the changes
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All the red tape usually involved
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In such things I knew
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It was worth putting that information out there
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Human kind
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And since your assumptions
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Of my Linux lineage
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Was an extra benefit
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I'm not Italian
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I can now leak this cable
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From the
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Telanz
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De Correzioni
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And here's a link
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There, hack the plan
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The truth is out there
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I want to believe
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Thanks for the recursive
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Recursive review
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My skin is pretty thick
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Yep
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I leave it to the listener
|
|
To go back and listen to the show
|
|
To find out what that's all about
|
|
I love the thought that
|
|
Is Italian
|
|
It's very typical
|
|
Italian accents
|
|
I'm still like
|
|
Why are they doing Italian accents
|
|
Well it's good
|
|
Okay, maybe they're trying to do
|
|
A Spanish accent
|
|
Or a Mexican accent
|
|
Or like me
|
|
There's one accent
|
|
Whatever happens to come out at that particular time
|
|
Oh I know
|
|
Yes
|
|
Me too
|
|
The podcast recommendation for your consideration
|
|
Is kind of what I'm thinking
|
|
Of calling these things
|
|
Makers corner from our own
|
|
Very good friends
|
|
Yannick et al
|
|
And
|
|
They had
|
|
John and Phil on
|
|
Along with Nate of course
|
|
To talk about the 32
|
|
BLIT
|
|
And
|
|
This was an interview
|
|
Really representative of the show
|
|
But the show is awesome
|
|
It contains anything that you're interested
|
|
In electronics
|
|
And a little bit of hardware hacking
|
|
The interface of people
|
|
And hackers and machines
|
|
Then this is a podcast
|
|
For you really really cool
|
|
Good stuff
|
|
Yes indeed
|
|
Yes I've not actually
|
|
Had not actually heard this show yet
|
|
Because I always run with a huge battle
|
|
Of podcasts
|
|
So it was great
|
|
It was a great show
|
|
And the two people
|
|
Are only guys
|
|
Are very impressive
|
|
And the interview was really well done
|
|
I thought
|
|
They had the Northern stuff
|
|
Do you want to do
|
|
They ride on the hills
|
|
Yes Brian and Ohio says
|
|
A book recommendation
|
|
This guy said
|
|
He has friends that need coffee
|
|
Do you know
|
|
Sounds like a dodgy character to me
|
|
Well yeah
|
|
Never heard of him
|
|
Yeah
|
|
But yeah
|
|
The
|
|
Lua business is interesting
|
|
Is it something you've got into yourself
|
|
Not just yet
|
|
No
|
|
It's only a matter of time
|
|
Eventually
|
|
There will be a 3D printer in this room
|
|
Eventually
|
|
It really is
|
|
Well actually
|
|
Turning away in the background
|
|
And seeing computers
|
|
Actually I would really prefer
|
|
A small
|
|
CNC milling machine
|
|
And a CNC lat
|
|
Always wanted one of those
|
|
Yes
|
|
There are some people who
|
|
Is there not a 3D printer
|
|
Also do some fairly
|
|
Wait CNC work as well
|
|
I think there is
|
|
But I've seen people hack them
|
|
In terms of CNCs as well
|
|
Which would be interesting
|
|
Anywho
|
|
Andrew Gunway
|
|
Did a surprisingly good show on metrics
|
|
And I know
|
|
That he is trying to tempt us
|
|
To the dark side of my
|
|
Teaching mats here on
|
|
HPR
|
|
But we will not be conned
|
|
No no we will not
|
|
Yes
|
|
This was
|
|
Yeah go on sorry
|
|
This was a good show
|
|
Actually
|
|
I really wish my mats teachers
|
|
Were as interesting as
|
|
As Andrew
|
|
Was
|
|
Back in the day
|
|
There were not
|
|
Agreed agreed
|
|
I thought it was great
|
|
I really enjoyed this
|
|
I listened to a role
|
|
I was doing some domestic
|
|
Thing and
|
|
Made a note
|
|
Go back and listen again
|
|
And think about what he is talking about
|
|
Because it was
|
|
A little bit hard to digest if you are not
|
|
Really very mathematically inclined
|
|
But I tried to use polar coordinates
|
|
At one point during my
|
|
Research is a very handy way of
|
|
Doing stuff when you
|
|
You know you were trying to work out
|
|
Parts that things
|
|
Take etc
|
|
And yeah so it was it was a very welcome
|
|
Very welcome show I thought
|
|
That there is apparently
|
|
A typo in it which Andrew mentioned
|
|
But I haven't heard
|
|
What needs fixing but I will hard deal
|
|
With it to make sense
|
|
That's the handle I was trying to think of
|
|
No no
|
|
No good show I hope there is more of them
|
|
To be honest
|
|
Indeed
|
|
Indeed
|
|
Yes, infatestimals
|
|
I thought that sounds like a hack round
|
|
To get round to shoehorn the maths in
|
|
Quantities which are very very very small
|
|
But not zero
|
|
That sounds suspiciously like it laws
|
|
In a
|
|
Web
|
|
Terms and conditions
|
|
Yeah
|
|
Yeah
|
|
But then it's I've been listening to astronomy
|
|
Podcasts just recently
|
|
Guy talking about the
|
|
Large Hadron Collider
|
|
And they tended to talk in the same way
|
|
See is astronomy as I put it down to
|
|
They have a different way of dealing with the world
|
|
Anyway
|
|
So shall I do Clintons
|
|
Yeah please please I'm looking forward to
|
|
Here
|
|
Looking forward to further episodes
|
|
Says Clinton Roy
|
|
Thanks for this episode
|
|
It's a nice gentle introduction to the topic
|
|
I definitely look forward to future episodes
|
|
Yeah, we had Charles and in
|
|
J had some
|
|
Had a series there on practical math
|
|
I wonder is this one that we should add to that
|
|
Anyway, Daniel Nohio says
|
|
More episodes
|
|
Keep going with this great topic
|
|
Couldn't agree more
|
|
Who also said excellent
|
|
I'm looking forward to more shows from this person
|
|
No, we're
|
|
I deliberately skipped over you don't know
|
|
The the background rivalry between me
|
|
And who
|
|
I believe every word you tell you
|
|
Yeah
|
|
God have been aware of
|
|
Move to the
|
|
Annie who
|
|
As long as I'm staying here recording the HPR show
|
|
I don't need to get involved in the family cleaning of the house that's going on
|
|
Keep talking
|
|
So the next show
|
|
Is
|
|
RFC 5 0 0
|
|
Flypark
|
|
Webcomics readers
|
|
And where they continued a discussion about
|
|
The RFC for atom feeds and stuff
|
|
Again, still have not convinced me that
|
|
Is
|
|
Is better
|
|
I'm not really able to make a judgment
|
|
Because I'm not
|
|
Looked at all the ins and outs of this
|
|
But it was
|
|
A fascinating subject
|
|
And an interesting discussion
|
|
I love their enthusiasm about this
|
|
This is great
|
|
But yeah, I must go and
|
|
I think I said before
|
|
Dig into RFC 5 0 0 5 myself
|
|
But just to see
|
|
What's going on
|
|
Yeah, it depends on whether
|
|
I adjust the way HPR produces shows in order to accommodate that
|
|
But the fact that you can't add an archive feed
|
|
Am I correct or not
|
|
In saying
|
|
That's right
|
|
Can you
|
|
Go, I'm sorry
|
|
Yeah, so like if we have
|
|
Right now we have 10 shows in
|
|
So two weeks in the main feed
|
|
And then everything else is the archive feed
|
|
So that means that every day the archive feed gets updated
|
|
As the new show comes into the main feed
|
|
The archive feed gets updated
|
|
So if you can't do that
|
|
What is the point
|
|
Yeah, yeah, that was a point
|
|
They did raise in the first show that
|
|
The archive is regarded to be immutable
|
|
Once it's
|
|
Actually useful, if there was
|
|
If there was
|
|
And like archive functionality
|
|
That didn't do that, that would be useful
|
|
Or a complete feed
|
|
Yeah, warning about browsers extensions
|
|
And add-ons quick show I did
|
|
To when
|
|
Realize that there was a
|
|
Unservery stuff started happening to my browser
|
|
And there was a note of date extension
|
|
Not maintained
|
|
Band by Google
|
|
Not updated in the chromium or browser
|
|
Which was a bit of a shock
|
|
Yeah, yeah, very nasty
|
|
Yeah
|
|
So the next one was
|
|
Tin's
|
|
Tincture
|
|
Tincture
|
|
It's an odd word
|
|
It's not one that usually
|
|
Come across but yes
|
|
Tincture
|
|
Again 50-150 on this show
|
|
It was nice, nice hearing
|
|
Yeah, it was
|
|
Yes, it was good to hear from
|
|
Yeah, audiobook club
|
|
Keep them coming
|
|
Apparently they're still doing the shows
|
|
Then never stop doing the shows
|
|
But they just
|
|
Have one that they thought was busted
|
|
And turned out not to be
|
|
Following date
|
|
Was there any comments on that?
|
|
Dave, don't think so. No
|
|
Dave, do I
|
|
I really enjoy these shows
|
|
I have to say
|
|
They're quite long
|
|
But I look at them as
|
|
They're coming up and they're
|
|
Two hours
|
|
And then two hours have gone by
|
|
And I was really
|
|
But the chitchat that goes on
|
|
And the all the banter
|
|
Is so you know, it just sort of
|
|
Carries you along, it's great
|
|
I really do enjoy them
|
|
Just thought they were to know this
|
|
Yeah, exactly, this is why
|
|
The weird part about it
|
|
Is those four guys
|
|
You know, if we were standing at a zebra crossing
|
|
Trying to cross the road
|
|
You wouldn't recognize each other
|
|
And yet at the same time
|
|
I feel such a bond with those guys
|
|
That it's like as if
|
|
You're out in the back garden
|
|
And you're just passing them a cup of tea
|
|
Or a beer or something
|
|
And they're just part of the family
|
|
That is HPR, it's absolutely awesome
|
|
Yes, absolutely
|
|
And yeah, great
|
|
Keep them coming
|
|
Ahuka
|
|
With a kasou
|
|
Kaka dev help me, please
|
|
Why, how do you work, Dave?
|
|
You know I'm never going to be able to pronounce this
|
|
And yes, you just sit there going
|
|
Oh yes, let's see how you can butcher this one
|
|
It's so fascinating to know how you're going to
|
|
No, I think it's Japanese
|
|
Is it a kasou or something like that
|
|
I don't know
|
|
That's how I'd say it
|
|
I'd want it to be Japanese if it's not
|
|
And this was a small sort of
|
|
What do you call them?
|
|
GoPro type cheap version camera
|
|
Yeah, yeah
|
|
Plenty of links in there
|
|
Links to his main article
|
|
And action cameras
|
|
Are becoming so popular in corporate waterproof
|
|
And this is one where
|
|
There was enough information in the show notes
|
|
So that
|
|
I didn't feel necessary to pull it over
|
|
From his
|
|
From his website
|
|
It's kind of
|
|
This goes back to the discussion we've had before
|
|
About when should your notes
|
|
When should you put your notes in or not
|
|
And at the time of discussing that
|
|
This show was going into the queue
|
|
And this is one of the ones
|
|
Where I didn't bring it in
|
|
Like which felt right
|
|
Even though
|
|
For some of them I do bring them in
|
|
Yes, yes I think some of them need
|
|
Some written material
|
|
To go with the talk
|
|
This one
|
|
Really is fun
|
|
Is I think you're quite right
|
|
It's kind of more because if
|
|
Of this one if you
|
|
It's likely that if you're interested
|
|
In this particular camera you would
|
|
It's a physical thing that will be available in this
|
|
Block of time
|
|
And therefore it's reasonable to expect
|
|
That his website
|
|
YouTube will still be around
|
|
For the block of time that that's available
|
|
There you go that's my logic
|
|
Don't know it's a good feeling
|
|
Probably not hard enough to explain that though
|
|
Following the Linux in-laws
|
|
Postgres oh yes
|
|
Very nice one
|
|
A little bit of a win here for us
|
|
Getting this this episode
|
|
Via the Linux in-laws guys
|
|
I found this one
|
|
Interesting topic
|
|
Yes, well I'm I'll be very keen on
|
|
Postgres for a long long time
|
|
I did some
|
|
As you know and I probably told you
|
|
At some stage you know just
|
|
Just a fast conversation
|
|
Yeah, he's a stupid
|
|
He's a pretty awful horrible
|
|
My skin yeah, yeah no no
|
|
Bridget is no Bridget is
|
|
Bruce Mondion is the way he pronounces name
|
|
I think is is fascinating
|
|
I've never heard of him
|
|
And I heard of him
|
|
I know he's a big big cheese
|
|
As far as postgres is concerned
|
|
But I've never heard him talk before
|
|
And he's most interesting guy to listen to
|
|
And into what so I was very good
|
|
I felt
|
|
There's a comment coming up saying that
|
|
Martin's sound level is really really low
|
|
And he doesn't have a good way
|
|
Well this is me saying it now
|
|
He doesn't project very well
|
|
I think Martin you should get closer to the microphone
|
|
And also speak more clearly
|
|
Because she got some very interesting things to say
|
|
So say them a bit more clearly please
|
|
But other than that
|
|
It's got very very cool
|
|
Yep
|
|
So the comment was which I just sort of spoke to
|
|
Bob says
|
|
Levels couldn't hear Martin at all
|
|
Just a low number
|
|
So yeah, 10 to 3
|
|
Okay, yeah it was
|
|
I was listening to this on the bike
|
|
And I couldn't hear Martin
|
|
So I switched to the next podcast
|
|
And then listen to it later
|
|
Oh my god
|
|
But it's hard to get to audio levels right
|
|
Oh I'm not criticizing it
|
|
I'm not criticizing it
|
|
But it's just something that probably
|
|
Sounds very much like it Dave
|
|
Well not from the point of view
|
|
I'm not going to criticize
|
|
But look at me in a state of perfection
|
|
And you should meet my levels
|
|
It's more
|
|
Yeah, we've all been there
|
|
But next time
|
|
Next time to see if you can do better
|
|
Thank you very much
|
|
So the next day generating comfortable passwords
|
|
This is an interesting one by CRBS
|
|
Using a Python program
|
|
On his Devorek keyboard
|
|
To create a comfortable password
|
|
That would kind of alternate left hand and right hand
|
|
Which in itself makes password
|
|
Kind of predictable but
|
|
Not by the time he's finished
|
|
To be true
|
|
Yeah, fascinating
|
|
Yeah
|
|
And also quite impressed
|
|
That the power
|
|
That Python had
|
|
In this
|
|
Yeah, yeah, I have to say
|
|
I didn't fully understand
|
|
What he was doing with
|
|
These Markov chain business
|
|
I'd love to hear
|
|
What
|
|
How you did that
|
|
You've started to tutor at all
|
|
Has gone nuts there listening to this
|
|
It's the sort of
|
|
Probability of
|
|
A given key
|
|
Following a specific key
|
|
So the key and then the probability of
|
|
Hitting some other one there after
|
|
Which is to do with presumably
|
|
With the sort of typing one does on a keyboard
|
|
I've tried to do this
|
|
I was looking up something i wrote
|
|
In about 1980
|
|
Something or other to do
|
|
With a similar sort of but nowhere near
|
|
Is clever
|
|
Similar sort of idea in mind
|
|
Trying to find
|
|
Freakancies of characters in
|
|
Common words and stuff
|
|
And creating the password
|
|
Based on that idea
|
|
But mine
|
|
I was constrained by having eight character passwords
|
|
Because machines in those days tend to say
|
|
Now password eight characters
|
|
That's it less if you want
|
|
Eight is all you get
|
|
So
|
|
But yeah
|
|
This is very clever
|
|
But as I said i'd like to know
|
|
Understand the Markov business a bit better
|
|
More shows
|
|
I actually plugged in an ordinary keyboard
|
|
To his table and tried it
|
|
With
|
|
To make passwords that i could type
|
|
And i actually can't use
|
|
For an interesting interesting thing
|
|
You know it's going ping pong
|
|
Across the keyboard in interesting ways
|
|
Okay
|
|
As you do
|
|
Yep, sigfolk commented
|
|
Saying thanks thanks for this one
|
|
Exclamation mark or more like
|
|
Thanks for this one
|
|
High praise indeed
|
|
Indeed indeed yes
|
|
And
|
|
Still we had the food
|
|
We turn
|
|
I think we've just run out with month
|
|
That was the
|
|
Daily
|
|
That was the last one last one
|
|
Can't jump forward
|
|
No no no no
|
|
Time wouldn't allow it
|
|
Time you want me stuff
|
|
No
|
|
Mist comments from last months
|
|
On Dave Morris's
|
|
Mumbling while on lockdown
|
|
Mist wrecks said
|
|
Should i
|
|
Yep
|
|
Hi Dan yes you're correct
|
|
It was indeed the taffy farm
|
|
This was
|
|
Dan Nixon saying
|
|
Was the thing you were talking about
|
|
Where you played
|
|
Back a tape thingy with grooves in it
|
|
And this is a
|
|
Your show
|
|
This was a thing that Mr.
|
|
Xamai did together
|
|
Which is chatting
|
|
There's one of these devices in the
|
|
Museum of communication across the
|
|
Four in
|
|
Five
|
|
But not from here so
|
|
Yeah taffy farm
|
|
Can't remember what it was called at the time
|
|
I never heard of it but
|
|
Anyway it certainly is a very strange
|
|
Devices Mr. X the one they had at the museum
|
|
Communication wasn't in working
|
|
Edition at the time
|
|
They were in the process of trying to repair it
|
|
Exceeded i must thank you for bringing this up
|
|
I really enjoyed rewatching
|
|
The youtube video link that gave
|
|
Which gives an excellent introduction
|
|
The device the sound quality
|
|
Seems surprisingly good i watched
|
|
The video while sitting at the center of my
|
|
Back garden all the best Mr. X
|
|
Yeah it was good
|
|
I looked at the video
|
|
Fantastic
|
|
The quality and the length of some of these things
|
|
It's quite quite amazing
|
|
And you can skip around between the
|
|
Tracks and an amazing piece of
|
|
Technology
|
|
So we do the comments from past
|
|
Shills
|
|
So
|
|
Shall i just explain
|
|
Please
|
|
Operator and 3056
|
|
Operator had
|
|
Not sent in all the notes he
|
|
Went to so he sent
|
|
The mist bits in as a comment
|
|
Which i intercepted
|
|
And actually glued into the notes
|
|
So i left the comment standing
|
|
And put a message in the notes to say
|
|
That the comment had been
|
|
Absorbed into the notes
|
|
And we're just going to mention this
|
|
Bit later on in the other business
|
|
I can do it now if you want to
|
|
Or it's just really to say
|
|
If you have corrections
|
|
It's far easier
|
|
You've emitted something
|
|
You've made a mistake whatever
|
|
And you want it to be fixed
|
|
It's far far easier for us to
|
|
Just go and change the notes on your behalf
|
|
Than it is for you to send in a comment
|
|
Mentioning the changes
|
|
And part of that is because
|
|
The comment mechanism can strip things out
|
|
That to
|
|
That might mess up what you're going to do
|
|
It'll take out backslashes for example
|
|
And that's one point
|
|
Another point is that
|
|
The comments don't get copied across to
|
|
The archive.org
|
|
So if people tend to go and read your notes
|
|
On archive.org they won't see the changes
|
|
Unless they're in the notes
|
|
Because if i make a change to the notes
|
|
I propagate them through to
|
|
Into the archive
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So yeah it's generally a better
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Better approach to
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Contact an archive.org
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And let us know what needs change
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And we'll do it
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We'll do it
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We'll do it regularly as well
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By we I mean you
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Yeah
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When we get these requests we do
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I've written scripts that let me do it
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It's easy as you might have explained it
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So yeah it's not a big deal
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A few comments on that
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Three actually number one is
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We deliberately strip out stuff
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From the common fields because back in the day
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When i took over
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Helping out here at HPR
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There were
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We were being absolutely killed with comments
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And even today we
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Get occasionally people who try
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Try to
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Mess with the common system
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There's about one or two attempts
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Every second
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To get into HPR
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And that's even with all the stuff
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That Josh has in place
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So yeah that's thing number one
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Thing number two is
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That's we do
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Want to move to
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A way where people can submit their shows
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As a diff
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And update their shows themselves
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But that's
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That's on the long finger
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Unfortunately due to me
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The third thing was very important
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But i can't remember what it was
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Dev
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Don't do that
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I'm not sure
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Just having trouble remembering my points
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Oh yes about internet archive
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If you're thinking that
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We just have our shows on
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That we just do the hosting on internet archive
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We don't
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We have actually
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We Dave has managed to get
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The shows over there looking absolutely fantastic
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And as a result
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They're
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Using a lot of indexing that has been
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Provided by
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Archive.org and as a result of
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Archive.org being such a big website
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If you're
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Searching for HPR episode
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You're far more likely to get
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Redirected to the archive.org website
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As opposed to the HPR website itself
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Which is no big deal because that's
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From our point of view
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It doesn't really matter
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It's all about the content where it's hosted
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It's not really that important
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So
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It's important that we keep them
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Just so you do realize
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You're far more likely
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That people are going to find your show
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The archive.org than the HPR
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Yeah
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Good
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Okay, Klackke had a show
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The joy of pip tools
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And PiM virtual environments
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And
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Klackke replied
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I've been using PiM virtual
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Environment for a month now
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And I'm reminded every day
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Of how happy I am
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Never to run into another pip
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And by run or pip
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And by shell again
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So that's good
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Next comment is
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To
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Inwards episode
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Series one episode six
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Pawn and Trump
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And it's from Frank who says
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Sorry to say but I found a sketch
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Not on your tool
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Because I'm a Trump supporter far from it
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But it's just not funny in a comical sense
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It gave me a sense of
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I'm not sure it's a friend
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Charmin
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Not sure what that means
|
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And I had to skip over it
|
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After listening to the first
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Minute or so
|
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These also work on your audio balancing
|
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First there was a low volume talk
|
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Then suddenly a much louder
|
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Before the sketch
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Yeah I think that
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That was already mentioned
|
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In a comment earlier
|
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About the audio levels
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Friend
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Is like friend shaming
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So it's
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To feel ashamed
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About something somebody else has done
|
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To be embarrassed because
|
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Someone else has embarrassed themselves
|
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And doesn't know it
|
|
So it's been
|
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Not shaming your friend
|
|
But being shamed
|
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By your friend
|
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Not by your friend
|
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Being shamed for your friend I guess
|
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Yeah yeah yeah
|
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Feeling embarrassed too
|
|
Sounds good for
|
|
Cringe
|
|
RFC part one
|
|
But clacky
|
|
Fluffy mentioned
|
|
Atom Tombstones
|
|
Element and gives a link
|
|
To the RFC
|
|
That was clacky
|
|
Commentating himself
|
|
And David
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|
Windigo commented on yours
|
|
Do you want to comment?
|
|
No I'll do his
|
|
And then you can do yours in your own voice
|
|
Dave I hope you'll be
|
|
Excited to hear that the Shiva plug
|
|
Is still very well-sported in Debian
|
|
I had one up and running
|
|
With the latest version until very recently
|
|
Here's the resource I use
|
|
To set up mine link
|
|
Included
|
|
I have a hard time justifying
|
|
Keeping mine running
|
|
Lot with the raspberry pyre
|
|
And others being so much more
|
|
Full featured and powerful
|
|
But it's definitely an interesting
|
|
Piece of harder
|
|
To which you were bad?
|
|
I said hi windigo thanks to the link
|
|
I'd love to get my old Shiva plug up
|
|
And running again
|
|
Don't actually have a link
|
|
Use for it at the moment
|
|
It had a USB disk on it
|
|
And I used to use it as a
|
|
Git repo
|
|
Package called Gitosis
|
|
I think and I could access it
|
|
Went away from home
|
|
Then it was a playground for learning
|
|
About bind then the disk crashed
|
|
Anyway this is now my to do this
|
|
Thank you
|
|
So yeah I think
|
|
Point about
|
|
Raspberry pyre 4
|
|
With all that ram
|
|
Is a good one
|
|
But it seems such a shame
|
|
Because it's a beautifully crafted
|
|
Device and it sat
|
|
And sat
|
|
Behind the sofa
|
|
Planted the wall
|
|
The many years
|
|
Doing and stuff
|
|
Maybe that was why the disk crashed
|
|
So the cat was jumping on it
|
|
But it
|
|
What to use it for something
|
|
But it would be nice
|
|
To give it a try
|
|
But I'm not sure what to use it for
|
|
To be honest
|
|
Strange I had one
|
|
And it kind of broke
|
|
Within a few months
|
|
Alright
|
|
Mine actually broke
|
|
But I sent it back and got it repaired
|
|
Yeah I don't remember what was wrong with it
|
|
Actually now
|
|
But yeah suddenly
|
|
Not sure
|
|
The price of fly was external
|
|
I don't know, I don't know what it was
|
|
But yeah
|
|
It was mine
|
|
My main
|
|
Raspberry Pi precursor
|
|
And it was an important machine
|
|
I had a little consultancy business
|
|
At the time I used to go to my clients
|
|
And pull down
|
|
Stop off my
|
|
Get repo when I was there
|
|
Since they were
|
|
It's
|
|
Yeah it was
|
|
I think I have around at the time
|
|
More nostalgia than anything else
|
|
Now I guess
|
|
The wedding's tonight event
|
|
Has a few slots
|
|
Have become available
|
|
So if anybody wants to join
|
|
The D&D
|
|
Thing on wedding's
|
|
Denights
|
|
By the sounds of how much my son is laughing
|
|
During it
|
|
It is
|
|
Wedden's Day at 1700
|
|
UTC that's 1700
|
|
UTC
|
|
So on wedding's day nights
|
|
Which is
|
|
Something like
|
|
I don't know three o'clock in the morning
|
|
A tattoo time
|
|
So yeah I don't know
|
|
I told him
|
|
Apparently
|
|
He's running lots of games
|
|
But if you're
|
|
I know some people
|
|
Were asking
|
|
Were there any other three slots available
|
|
So if there are please get in touch
|
|
With a tattoo
|
|
Or ourselves here
|
|
Admin at hpacapublicradio.org
|
|
And we'll pass you on the details
|
|
Actually on the same hbr server
|
|
So you just turn up
|
|
Okay and I think you'll let
|
|
Your connections dropping out
|
|
I think you've had a few
|
|
few dropouts
|
|
I think we heard most of what you said
|
|
But there is
|
|
Having a few bandwidth issues perhaps
|
|
Yeah
|
|
This is very sad and depressing
|
|
But okay
|
|
Many take away
|
|
There is still another opportunity to join the D&D thing
|
|
UTC Wedden's Day
|
|
7 o'clock
|
|
1700
|
|
Did you get that?
|
|
That was good
|
|
And there's not a lot of point going through the events calendar
|
|
Because they're all going to be online
|
|
So have a look yourself
|
|
See what you can
|
|
Want to join
|
|
And other feedback
|
|
Oh I remember this
|
|
This is a wildlife
|
|
Okay, our feedback from the show notes
|
|
So most shows
|
|
We require
|
|
We process require us to make some level of
|
|
Modification to get them posters
|
|
This ranges from fixing tags
|
|
To complete rewrites of the show notes
|
|
Or verifying whether the intros were added or not
|
|
Each modification
|
|
That we make means that more
|
|
Human intervention
|
|
And prevents us from being able to completely automate
|
|
The upload process
|
|
In addition, there is a non-travel
|
|
A amount of time needed to fix these issues
|
|
And this can range from few minutes to an hour per show
|
|
And with 260 shows per year, this mounts up
|
|
So we don't normally contact hosts
|
|
When these issues come up
|
|
As it's usually quicker to fix them
|
|
Our souls
|
|
Rather than composing emails
|
|
I'm waiting for a reply that may never come
|
|
For the most part, our experience has been
|
|
That hosts are willing to fix these issues
|
|
If they become aware of them
|
|
As part of the ongoing steps towards
|
|
Automization
|
|
Would hosts be open to the idea
|
|
Of getting a processing report
|
|
Once they have posted their shows
|
|
This would list all the issues
|
|
The test tools found
|
|
And the steps that we needed
|
|
To
|
|
To rectify them
|
|
And actually then
|
|
Making changes to shows after upload
|
|
Sometimes errors occur
|
|
And then we have to do the same thing again
|
|
So
|
|
Essentially what I would like to know
|
|
Is from hosts
|
|
Would you like to get feedback
|
|
If your show needed to be
|
|
Modified in any way or not
|
|
And it's to be honest
|
|
Usually not new hosts that cause
|
|
These issues
|
|
We have older hosts
|
|
Things have moved on in their way
|
|
We process shows
|
|
And that sort of thing
|
|
Would you like
|
|
Is that something that would be useful
|
|
To you or would you hate us
|
|
If we start to do that
|
|
Can't do that
|
|
Can't do it
|
|
Okay
|
|
You should probably put that on the mailing list
|
|
I think that might be
|
|
No tip, notice it probably
|
|
So they heard it here first
|
|
Anyway
|
|
And then I'll also add it to the mailing list
|
|
So we get it again next month
|
|
And
|
|
Contributors for sending in
|
|
Updates to the past shows
|
|
Has been Windigo
|
|
Tell us all about that data
|
|
Yes, Windigo very kindly sent
|
|
In a batch of 10 updates
|
|
Which is inclined to do from time to time
|
|
Which we thank him enormously
|
|
And they have been added
|
|
So we gradually wickling away the
|
|
Number left to do
|
|
Hello, are you keeping track of this over time
|
|
536 shows
|
|
We
|
|
There are 536 that need work
|
|
Yes indeed
|
|
I don't usually make reference to this
|
|
In the notes
|
|
Usually cause it takes me time to go and find the page
|
|
Is it?
|
|
It's right there in the first page
|
|
I know
|
|
This though is featuring heavily in my
|
|
Yet to be documented plans for
|
|
For HPR
|
|
I use this quite a lot now
|
|
This page
|
|
If you want to find
|
|
Backed like
|
|
Fost damage view or
|
|
Corbute and flash
|
|
Corbute for instance
|
|
I wanted to do something on
|
|
Check one of the Chromebooks
|
|
And I went through this from the three shows
|
|
That they were in and copied and pasted of what I needed
|
|
So it's very useful
|
|
Yep
|
|
We did talk at one point about turning the
|
|
The alphabetical index
|
|
Or the tag summary thing
|
|
To at the end of this
|
|
This page into
|
|
Something more permanent
|
|
As a
|
|
As part of HPR in general
|
|
Rather than just being part of the
|
|
But please fix the tag issue thing
|
|
So yeah, I know it will be
|
|
It is just the outer of time
|
|
Yep
|
|
Okay
|
|
And you can already see these
|
|
Tags appearing on the
|
|
If you go to the homepage
|
|
And go to
|
|
Get yours
|
|
Full episode guide
|
|
Then you've got the tags there as well
|
|
And what I want to do is have
|
|
Each of those tags
|
|
So that's something that
|
|
In the plan
|
|
Yep
|
|
Or is there anything else
|
|
I think that's it
|
|
To go and start cleaning the toilet screen
|
|
Your timings were only
|
|
Should have done the dustings
|
|
Exactly
|
|
Yeah, exactly
|
|
Dusting done toilet search
|
|
Anyway, yes, there we go
|
|
Great
|
|
So the exciting episode of
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|
Hacker
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Public Radio
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