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Episode: 4496
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Title: HPR4496: Stroopwafel
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Source: https://hub.hackerpublicradio.org/ccdn.php?filename=/eps/hpr4496/hpr4496.mp3
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Transcribed: 2025-11-22 15:04:54
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This is Hacker Public Radio Episode 4496 from Monday the 27th of October 2025.
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Today's show is entitled True Puyful.
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It is hosted by Lee and is about 29 minutes long.
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It carries an explicit flag.
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The summary is, Lee, Ellsbeth and Ken Fallon meet in the Utrecht province in the Netherlands.
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Hi, this is Lee, I'm joined today by Ken Fallon and Ellsbeth and we are in a market
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town in Holland and the name of the town is Amersport.
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We're at a cafe.
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We have some waffles and we have some respectively lattes and cappuccino.
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Although technically I think Amersport is in Utrecht, but it could be one.
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And Utrecht is not in Holland.
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Yeah, sorry.
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We are in the Netherlands.
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It's locally we call in the Netherlands Holland.
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And so do the Dutch tourist board.
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So yeah, if they're happy enough with it.
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And also the football team is hot Holland.
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So yeah.
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Yeah.
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So to give a bit of context, I'm staying over here in Holland, Ellsbeth is here too.
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Sorry, in the Netherlands.
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We're staying near Utrecht.
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We've spent a day in Utrecht.
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We've gone to a museum in Utrecht called The Spiel Clock, which is about mechanical
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musical instruments and I wed it out with the arms and arms.
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No bother.
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No, no, no, no.
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Not an initial dilemma.
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OK.
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We have to lower the bars so other people will be gone.
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Well, I can do better than that.
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Yeah.
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That's home.
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Yeah.
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We went on a canal tour around Utrecht and now we've met up with Ken today.
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We've been to Amersport Camp, which was a holding camp run by the Nazis during World
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War II.
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So we looked around that this morning and then this afternoon we've been in Central Amersport
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and we've been to the Mondrian exhibition, the Mondrian Macouse, as it's called, and seen
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lots of artwork there.
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And this leaves us on a rainy afternoon.
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I'm hiding my iPad under the table to stop it getting totally rained on.
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And we're just having a nice time here.
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That's nice here.
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The Amersport itself is one of the few cities to survive the war.
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The noise here behind me is the markets that has been dismantled.
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So there's still quite a lot of the old city remaining.
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So what do you want to talk about?
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That's a good question.
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Life, universe, life, universe, everything.
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What was the best in the game?
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The noise you're hearing is dismantling the markets.
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So around the Netherlands most of the towns have a central market area for one day only during the week.
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Probably more often in bigger cities.
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They put out metal frames with tarpulions like these rolled out and then because the Netherlands is the Netherlands, it's windy.
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So they tied them down with ropes to the streets and that hanging here heard was then removing that.
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And currently there's a flower shop in this town.
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And we're eating stru poffles.
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Stru poffles, yes.
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Stru poffles.
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A syrupy honeycomb.
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Think of them like the wafer that you have around the night-screen cone.
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You take two of them, you make them flat.
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And in between you put in sort of golden syrupy type maple syrupy type.
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In other words, come here.
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Yeah, get more of them up.
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So I'll say a little bit about the spill museum yesterday.
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This is in Utrecht's central, quite close to the train station, Utrecht Central.
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And it's got all kinds of mechanical musical performances.
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And this is like a bit like music boxes or crocs.
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You know, the crocs with chime in a certain musical pan.
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But basically you've got some instruments that are like ping, ping, ping.
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Some instruments that blow, have a bellows and blow through an organ.
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And you have some instruments that have like moving animation,
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like a bird flapping its wings, that sort of thing.
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The most impressive one that we all, me and Elsberg saw,
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was an old and large, as big as a room out and style musical pan.
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That was actually wide up to a midi controller.
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So we're playing modern tunes for an instrument that's at least 100 years old,
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which is pretty damn cool.
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So I've been to that museum a few times myself.
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Both the kids were as nice.
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But you might also have seen it on, if you follow Wintergarden on the YouTube's,
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he was inspired to do the music Marvel Machine by a business to that museum.
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And for a period of time, the Marvel Machine was on loan to that museum.
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So it's well worth the visit.
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It was absolutely fascinating.
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Think of all the, if your female, think of all the little boxes that you would have had
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with the little ballerinas that twirl around.
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I think that as well.
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What's up?
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I think it was girls.
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Everybody in it.
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So they're absolutely fascinating.
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There's like hundreds to explore.
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And just the mechanics, like they talk about starting with the bells,
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like the earliest music machines were done with bells, which is basically,
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you have a little metal tong type thing that hits the bell,
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that does it in order, and it makes the music.
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But then they switch to like these wooden flutes that the air,
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they use bellows to blow in and change the tones.
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And you could have longer notes because of the wooden flutes that the air blows through.
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It was just absolutely fascinating.
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And the whole history of the telecork machines,
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and leisurely went to punch card systems.
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And those punch card systems were used by Lady Ada.
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Not Lady Ada, but Lady Ada.
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I do not like Lady Ada Lovelace.
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Thank you.
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And it was the first female computer programmer just a young girl.
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And that was a direct line from that sort of stuff to programming for punch cards.
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The first programmable machines, which were weaved in the textile industry.
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And from that, of course, we have the modern industrial computer revolution.
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So, what about the digital?
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It was a music brought to you what you're doing today.
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Yes, that's in capitalism.
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Music in capitalism, there you go.
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Well, that museum is absolutely fantastic.
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There was quite often, at events still,
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at the original organ-paying machines,
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that they'll wheel around the shops and the streets and the go up and down the streets.
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But they're invariably ruined by somebody with a can attaining that's shaking it.
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Okay, the rain has gotten the better of us, so we're now in the car.
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The central part of the city is really still very nice.
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And then next to us is where they gather like anti-tank.
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Did I ever release that shop?
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Anti-tank, something about anti-tank.
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I remember one, I have recorded this, an episode where I walk around the heat and stuff,
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talk about the anti-tank bunkers for World War II,
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which didn't work.
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It kind of rings a bell.
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I don't know if I ever released that show or not.
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And then recently they found that they did a lidar,
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there was a Dutch contingent that went over to fight with Napoleon in Moscow.
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That didn't involve.
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Apparently one of my great grandfather of my father-in-law survived that.
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And then it's way back.
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Which could have been totally not published, but you never know.
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He went to Russia.
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Yeah, he went to the Russian army.
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No, no.
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In the French army.
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And for the Russians.
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And then it's survived.
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But yeah, recently there was an evening tour there.
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They did a lidar scan of the area.
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And they found what was a, you know, like a dugout position.
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And they had no previous example of it before.
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So they had seen the documented books.
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But they had no example of it, because it's by default just made out of it.
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You know, it's a whole of the ground.
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But this one was particularly well preserved.
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When we were taking the canal, the boat ride.
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They were showing us where there were some medieval fortresses.
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Like the remnants of a medieval fortress from the Roman times.
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Yeah.
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Oh, that's, yeah, that's correct, yeah.
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Around Focht, where my sister, not Focht, was in Binnik.
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There was also a concentration camp.
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Where my, one of my family ended up, didn't turn out well.
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But anyway, they had a Roman fourth there as well.
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That was also part of the waterline.
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Did you come across the waterline as well in your...
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Yeah.
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...by Tof.
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So it's like that this defense system in the Netherlands
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where they would flood the folders.
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And in the places where they wouldn't flood, they put forts.
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So they had three different line waterlines.
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Three different levels of defense.
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And they've used it, I think four times.
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And two times it worked.
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And the other two times, not so much,
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she's helped the enemy.
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One time it froze over.
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And the enemy just walked on top of the water.
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Thank you for putting this perfectly straight road.
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So we were coming in there.
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This scene thing here, there's a big yellow sign.
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I presume we were recording.
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Yeah.
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Yellow sign pointed to see.
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I always thought that was one of the coolest things about the way the Netherlands works,
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is if there's a detour instead of saying detour or follow blood,
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you're left on your own.
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Yeah.
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To say detour or follow four Amsterdam follow C,
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or usually it's a country for Amsterdam.
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If it's...
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If it's detour, they'll say you or something.
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It's the way you're going.
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So they follow the signs and then eventually you come up to a place where the last sign is.
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And there's an extra sign.
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And from there, you're back to where you would have been.
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Actually, we were...
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U.S. cycling back.
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I was walking back from Maan to the resort yesterday.
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There were like ambulances and police cars.
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Yeah.
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Did you see what that was?
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We didn't know what it was.
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We were just trying to be respectful.
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It just happened.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I figured it was a road crash.
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More than anything else.
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Yeah.
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I was trying out the road.
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But the sirens in Netherlands are like proper lean or lean or type sirens.
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In the...
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In the...
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Like certainly in London they're like...
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You know, like police...
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And right next to police stations, they get them all the time.
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And the...
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The fire...
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The police and the fire department...
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And the hospital ambulances are different.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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The two sirens, yeah.
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Which I was told was a bit weird.
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Like, why do I actually need to know...
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What emergency services?
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Yeah.
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I suppose it's so you know whether you're expecting a huge fire truck to come around the corner
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or a speedy police car.
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I think the thing is, get out of the way.
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Yeah.
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I might go the right way.
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Apparently I don't know how to drive.
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It's 50.
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We're going 42 am using...
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Android.
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Or some Android.
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Which has really improved recently.
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The UI has gotten a lot better.
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We had a lot of shows in the past.
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By Popeye.
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Popeye.
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We did a lot of shows in that that he got me into it in the first place.
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But they have this really cool thing, right?
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You know where you go with...
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You go from here to somewhere.
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And it's reasonably straightforward.
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But then coming back, if you're in the middle of the sticks,
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there can be 14 different ways that you come back
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and they send you a completely different route.
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So with this, you can go one of the options
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that take the previous route back.
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So it'll just go...
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If you come down to A1 and A2,
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it'll send you back first to A2 and then A1.
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No, not really.
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It's cool.
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It's useful.
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So what's nice is when you're driving to...
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to Morn from Leutrex.
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You're going along the motorway.
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And on your left is the train.
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You can see this same train line going along.
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And when you're on the train, you can see the motorway.
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And what's cool is when you're on the train,
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you can usually...
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You go faster...
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Yeah, you go faster than your cars.
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Yeah.
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So we will be heading off.
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I'm going to need you here somehow.
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You know, my wife drives a...
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These are all special arts.
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And I normally go on the train.
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What do you see?
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We'll get there eventually.
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The Netherlands is not that big.
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Turn back if people start to leave in Germany.
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Yeah.
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Oh, I know in German it's like in C8.
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Yeah?
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I need to get a little bit there.
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I don't know even y'all.
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I ve heard it there.
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Well, I keep saying danker,
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rather than danker,
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because I can't think of anything.
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So I know each day we need each day we need each hour.
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I used to try and make it a habit of learning how to say hello to five.
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Thank you and we're so happy with this many languages that are possible.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I tried to learn two beers, please,
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and with many languages that I don't know possibly can.
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It's fine, babe.
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I learned what the word for chicken is,
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because you're...
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after that time where it was,
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tricked into eating frogs' legs and snails.
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Oh, all right.
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It was fine.
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I mean, I've been to France like I was chitling,
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so I had no idea what chitling is.
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They're the private part of the chicken.
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Yeah.
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If you're hungry enough, you do anything.
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Yeah.
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The American South chitlins are...
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just the inner zone.
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Oh, the inner zone.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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So it's...
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A delicacy at some places, is it?
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It's definitely a cultural thing.
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Yeah.
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Well...
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Not something I love.
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Yeah, no.
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Everyone is a fan of Haggiss in Scotland.
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Yeah.
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Which...
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I didn't mind that.
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Oh, Scotch.
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Whiskers.
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Haggiss, I had no problem with this bug that I got.
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If I didn't know what it was, I probably
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wouldn't have a problem with it.
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It's...
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But if somebody said this is Haggiss, try it.
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My internal brain would probably be like,
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I know what's in there.
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I don't know if I would have tried it.
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I'd still try it any time.
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So is this going to be an episode?
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Um, yeah, after trying...
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Trying to...
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Yeah, trying to get some continuity out of it.
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Good look at that.
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It doesn't have to be continuity.
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It can be a stream of thoughts.
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Well, um, was there anything?
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What's weird is, yeah.
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What I always found interesting when I moved here 20 years ago,
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that all the signs are the same.
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So...
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And in country in the world, all the street signs are the same.
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And I thought that was an amazing stroke of...
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of coordination from the world.
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Yeah, they're the world.
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Actually, the signs from here to the UK are so similar,
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but from here or the UK to America is quite a difference.
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That's what I was thinking.
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Why?
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If you go to Mexico, that's the same thing.
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There are the same signs.
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All South America, even Soviet Russia, right?
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Yeah.
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Not Soviet Russia, but yeah, at the time.
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Yeah.
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Why was America not using international signs?
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And it turns out that...
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Exactly.
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So much so, the UK were the ones who came up with the signs in the first place.
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Yeah.
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It was...
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And the attempt by the Americans to internationalize the signs
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that cause all the road signs to be the same.
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Except...
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It did work.
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It wasn't adopted in America.
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It's still decided not to do it adopted.
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Oh, yeah.
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We had to have our own unique...
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Hurrah, Americana.
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Nah, we won't go into that, but it's just an interesting observation.
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It's something I noticed coming back from the US as a teenager
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is just how drastically different everything was.
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And also quite similar things.
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Here we have in the UK and Ireland, we have 10-10 large triangles
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written on the roads, but here they have smaller ones.
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They're about a quarter or 60 centimeters triangles painted.
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And they call them shark teeth.
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So you're not allowed to cross over those or you have to yield right away.
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And all of these...
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We're sitting at a junction here where there's traffic lights.
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And the traffic lights are numbered in groups of 5.1 and 5.4.
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So all the fives are the same circuit from what I can gather.
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And as we're crossing over, the pin markings obviously on the road
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are such that if the traffic lights go out,
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the normal rules still apply.
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And in some places out in the boonies, they'll turn off the traffic lights at night
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and they'll just let you follow the normal rules of the road.
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That's actually fine.
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It is indeed.
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And you know why they have the...
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All alerts are triangles so that if you're driving in the snow,
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even if they're covered up, you know that the shape of a triangle is a warning.
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Whereas they...
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I don't know what you call that.
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They stop signs with the hexagons.
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I don't know is it hexagons?
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Anyway, whatever it is, let's say hexagons are warning stop signs.
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You absolutely must do that.
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And the weird thing here is if something is forbidden,
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it's the picture of the forbidden thing with a red circle around it.
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And in Ireland, it's a red circle with a red stripe through it.
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So...
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By the way, all listeners are expecting now to be able to drive in any country in the world
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from this direction.
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Yes, absolutely.
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Any faith is to do so.
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It's your own fault.
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We have described it perfectly.
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It just never been added at the end of this episode.
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If you do not accept results, but if you've already lost a lifetime,
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you're losing a private role risk.
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And we're going straight here.
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I think it took a wrong turn.
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But what was that?
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It's a wrong turn.
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The most important word you can learn when you come to the Netherlands is gazelle,
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which means nice, cozy, how was the theater?
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It was gazelle.
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How was it with your granny?
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It was gazelle.
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How was the football match?
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It was gazelle.
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Yeah.
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How was the gazelle?
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Yeah.
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Like the gazelle.
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What about the K-A?
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The gazelle.
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The gazelle.
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The gazelle.
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And the other one is the Catholic spirit, which I can never say.
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And that's congratulations.
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A birthday, which is the main social events here.
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If you want a social circle, you go to other people's birthdays
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and you invite them to yours.
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That's how you grow your social circle.
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Not that I do that, because I don't like your reminder of my age.
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But there you go.
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gazelle.
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And I've facilitated.
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But for some reason, that's absolutely fine.
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gazelle is fine.
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It is gorgeous here.
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It's my, I love this time here.
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It's coming into autumn or fall, as you call it.
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Even though he's pacing down the road on the right.
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We have quick complaining.
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The sun.
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The sun.
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The sun.
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The sun.
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The sun is shining from the west, and it's beautiful.
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This year, right, is a nature bridge, right?
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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So the idea is that when you put in a road, it divides the main system.
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Yeah.
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So they spend billions of putting those bridges in.
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So that's awesome.
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It is awesome, except for the fact that it doesn't work.
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And on that side, stay on that side.
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And animals on that side.
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They don't like the bridge.
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They don't like the road and then input across the bridge.
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Yeah.
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So they're now studying to see if they can approve the last problem.
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It's a big hit.
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Yeah.
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I mean, it's a disappointment for a lot of people.
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The main, the main remaining ecosystem joiner is railway tracks in urban areas like London.
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The railway tracks have got a continuous stretches of green, all the way down them.
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So the wildlife could migrate up and down that way.
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It maintains the ecosystems a bit.
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And yet another reason to be going by public transport.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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However, for some reason, these seem to be stuck in the movies.
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But it's a nice place where you are.
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The park is absolutely gorgeous.
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And it's quiet because there's not 10 people there.
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Funnacle cows get kind of cramps.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Yeah, we were saying earlier how, if you come to this country,
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you need to have cramps because they're like,
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we're the best ones in the best delicacy.
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You know, one of the best foods to have here.
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Me and Nelsberg have had some yesterday a Crete Palsy new trek.
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And that was just brilliant.
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Lecker.
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Lecker.
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Almost a chisella.
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The meckers.
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Yeah.
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Who else?
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For sure.
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Or as I say, Mad Max, they were absolutely mediocre.
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Have you seen that?
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They were better than me here.
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They were mediocre.
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Well, you know, Mad Max, mediocre is the superlative.
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Bullets.
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Ziced.
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Where have I heard ziced before?
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It was dryberg ziced.
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Was the station where you went to?
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Oh, yes.
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Yeah.
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Then I hide the cycles.
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Goodness knows where he's going to get them home.
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Goodness knows how he got them to us.
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How did he get to bicycles to us?
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He talked to someone until someone actually walked over here with him.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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He has that kind of vibe.
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He could get somebody to...
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Okay.
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It's like the hitchhike.
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The hitchhike is actually...
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Normally, it's a fairly normal thing for it to be able to start.
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I often cycle with another bike.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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You know, I just have to start it as a bit of a problem, but then keep going.
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How he got someone to go all the way to the Eropark.
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Then he should be in sales.
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He really should be.
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And to me, I just know that that diamond.
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So it's like a wrecked square in a diamond form.
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So yellow with a white signer on it.
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And partly, it means that this road is the priority.
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Normally, all roads...
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If that wasn't there, then this boring here coming out on the right is a small road.
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They were the priority.
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I should give a way to traffic coming from the right.
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Including bikes.
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Interesting.
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Not, yes.
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And then this red one, there's a circle sign with a red outside.
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It's in full with blue with a cross.
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And that means no parking on all sides of the street.
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This is what you learn when your kid goes to drive in less than school.
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So that's what that means.
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I've been ignoring that for years.
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Yeah, we tried to hire a car in Rotterdam.
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And we almost got...
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We were clear that we could do under a U.S. license.
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And we're just up to the part of the deposit.
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And I would try to buy some money, but it was after 3 o'clock in the afternoon
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that my bank wouldn't honor that until the next day.
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So...
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And we decided it just wasn't worth it.
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Yeah.
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Normally in the Netherlands, you can get away with public transport.
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Or they have also with the public transport.
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They've got bikes that you can hire at the station.
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Oh, that's where are they?
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Are they doing yellow?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So they're public transport.
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So the public transport bikes.
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And you get some cars that you can do with them.
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So you're...
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You know, you're normal card.
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You get the heart of them like for a euro for a day or something like that.
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But you're what it is.
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So when you get them, you can just...
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You can probably just drop them back at the station when you're in.
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So that's super handy.
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And they also in some places have over taxis as well.
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So not so much now with the Uber coming in.
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But before you could, if you were landing in the middle of the stick somewhere,
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then you'd hire an over taxi to come.
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And maybe four people would be waiting.
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And then you'd do a run to drop the first guy off of one place
|
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and then go from there to the next house.
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And if you were lucky, you were the first house.
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If you weren't...
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You were...
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You were waiting till I...
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Yeah, exactly.
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But if there was some stipulation that it should be no more than an hour
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or no more than a half hour extra on your journey.
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Right.
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Oh, really good.
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So I was reading whether you should...
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If you're walking down country lane, should you walk on the left or the right?
|
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And first, I figured the left because then you might be in it.
|
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You might be facing oncoming traffic.
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So that they could see you.
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But then I read that apparently it's wherever you're most visible.
|
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Yeah.
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It's not necessarily always on the left.
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Is that here in this one?
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Yeah, in Holland.
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Yeah.
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In Holland.
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Yeah.
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It's always on facing oncoming traffic.
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Yeah.
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I thought the rule was always facing oncoming traffic.
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But then again, I didn't know what an urban cheermer I saw.
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You should not be getting advice from me as to us to the rules of the rule.
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That would be a good episode though.
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What are the rules of the rule?
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Your jurisdiction.
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That would be a good one to prompt other people to recall.
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Okay.
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With that, we're back at the result.
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Thanks to Elspeth and Ken.
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Goodbye from the Netherlands.
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