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Episode: 250
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Title: HPR0250: What Ogg Player
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Source: https://hub.hackerpublicradio.org/ccdn.php?filename=/eps/hpr0250/hpr0250.mp3
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Transcribed: 2025-10-07 14:51:02
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Hmm.
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Hello ladies and gentlemen, my name is Cam Fallon and welcome to another edition of Hacker
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Public Radio. Today's episode is going to be about choosing the correct Og 4Bus digital
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audio player. I have very specific requirements when it comes to selecting a digital audio
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player and there are as follows. First of all, it needs to be solid state because I need
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to make sure it's rugged enough that if I drop it, it's hard if it's going to crash. I
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need to be able to take it outside in various different weather. It needs to be able to
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take a bit of rain, cold, heat, that sort of thing. It needs to be under 100 euros or 100
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dollars or whatever. Largely because if it gets lost or broken I don't want to be out
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any more money than that and if it caused more than that I would have the feeling that
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I need to be overly protective of the device. Ideally something around 70 euros, 75
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euros would be sort of in the ballpark of what I'm looking for. But most importantly,
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I want to be able to use the player to play the Og 4Bus format. I've already done
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the Hacker Public Radio on using socks to speed up the spoken word and podcasts so that
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they don't sound like chipmunks and because of a bug you can produce MP3 and only output
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tag but that's fine. That's fine because I always buy a player that supports the Og 4Bus.
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The most of my MP3 collection is still in indeed, most of my music collection is still
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in the MP3 format. See how they all MP3 things ingrained into our minds. We have MP3 players
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and we have an MP3 collection, very, very sad. But we will fight this. Anyway, my music
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collection is mostly encoded in the MP3 format and as that's a loss full format, just
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like the Og 4Bus format is, I don't want to transport from onto the other because the
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quality of my recordings would only decrease. But I now make a point that when I'm buying
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music, I buy it in the Og 4Bus format and I buy it in another format and then encode
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it from the original into the Og 4Bus format. The best format by is the Flack format which
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is the free audio format that will give you exactly what the artist released. So you don't
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lose any data in the reencoding. With MP3 and Og some data is thrown away more than
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likely you probably won't ever hear the difference, but it's important to know that it is thrown
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away. A few years ago I did a search for Og player and I found at the time that the Samsung
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had a line of like candy bar, well, gum, you know, spearmen gum type formats of an MP3
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player that, again, I do it, it's not an MP3 player, it's a digital audio player and
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that's support to dog. And I've purchased that since then, my wife has also got one and
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she listens to her music which is in a mixed MP3 or Og format and just really matter because
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she's using the Samsung line which is the UP-U2 format model. Now that works absolutely
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fine in Linux, you just plug it in and it comes up as a USB disk and you can copy
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your files over and back, you can go to a wins machine if you want or another machine
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and it all works very sweet. Now unfortunately her one died yesterday and I ordered one on
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ball.com which is a Dutch website and it arrived today. Before I met my purchase, I of course
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went to wiki.xiph.org which is a site that maintains a list of Og format, Og compatible
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portable media players and this was on the list. Now it is not safe enough to assume that
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just because they played the Og format that your troubles are over there because you
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hit a thing called the MTP Media Transfer Protocol which is according to Wikipedia. It
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is a protocol devised set of customer extensions to the picture transfer protocol where as picture
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transfer protocol was designed for downloading photographs from digital cameras, media transfer
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protocol supports the transfer of music files from digital audio players and movie files
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are portable media players. That all sounds very nice and everybody is out to help us. However,
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when we move on to the next section we see that the media transfer protocol is part of the
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Windows Media framework and as close to related to Windows Media Player Windows Vista has built
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in support for MTP. Support for XP requires Windows Media Player tender hire and Mac and Linux
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systems have software packages to support it. We just go to the drawbacks section of Wikipedia
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and it says by design MPT devices are not treated like traditional removable drives.
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So that means you can't if you plug them in, they don't come up with USB disks. The actual
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file system is implemented by the device, not by the computer's operating system. In theory,
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the OS may hide the differences but this is unfortunately not the case in Windows, Mac OS and
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also in Linux. This also means that conventional file system recovery tools will be of no use if
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the drive is cropped or crashed. Now that's all very well but what this means for us is that we
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lose a lot of convenience. That means you just can't stick in a drive into any computer and it'll
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work. Generally these things are formatted as a as a fast file system which is fairly universal
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even though Microsoft owns a patent on that. But why would they implement this protocol? Why not
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just let you plug in a device and it comes up as you know the eDrive and Windows or it comes
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up a slash media slash you know slash Samsung or whatever under Linux and the reason for that
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is support for digital rights management or digital restriction management depending on which
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side of the fence you sit. So essentially I don't want a media player that supports that.
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However I order this player anyway and that is because I realized following a post on
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the XIPH website that there is a opportunity to put an internationalized version of the firmware
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on that device. So the device arrived today. I did a LSU USB, see my Hacker Public Radio
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episode which I haven't recorded yet on the LPI certification. No it's not dead, it's just
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comatiles and that's come up with the number zero for E8 column 507D as the identifier.
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And that can be loads of both about how to handle this under Linux. Now the traditional method
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on the Ubuntu form is to install GNOME AD2 GN OM82 and what this does is it provides support to
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media player applications such as RhythmBox and to things like Amarok so that you can
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support transfer of audio files. Now you need to edit your UDEV rules lines to put in different
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calls for different things. However that to me is a pain in the buttocks because I have quite a
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lot of machines that don't have these these applications on. I find these applications very heavy
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and I just want to be able to use my standard CP tools put in my media device into my WRT 54G
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and with the miracles of bash potter I come down in the morning it's charged and all my
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all my podcasts have been uh have been transferred over and everything is happy. Now in theory you
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could say that this player is from my wife and so the whole process of putting the files on there
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in the first place would be a one-off like however that is not the point we will not accept
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we will not accept restrictions thank you very much. Anyway so my my idea was while I'll get this
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device and I will try to put the other former firmware on the device and make sure that it supports
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just usb mass storage drive. I followed the instructions on their forums and
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and which I'll have a link to in the show notes and also on my website kevfollow.com. It is a fairly
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fairly simple enough procedure. There is one thing that you need to be aware of and that is
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you need to follow the MTS mode drivers and not the MTP drivers. So carrying on that if I did
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wasn't able to do the firmware on update and this I was going to return the device with
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with a note to Samsung saying and ball.com saying thank you very much but no thank
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so suffice to say the firmware update worked because this is being recorded on my wife's
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Samsung YP-U3 as we speak. So happy ending to this tale. Word of warning word of caution is when
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you're buying a digital audio player and you want to support AUG go to that website wiki.xiph.org
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look for your device there and make sure that you don't not only does this play AUG but that you have
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the ability to have it come up as a usb mass storage drive. That's my friend has been another
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public radio and if you're sick of listening to my voice remember there is one guaranteed way to
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get to make sure that it won't appear as often and that is to you yourself record a podcast
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and send it in to hackerpublicradio.org the admin at hackerpublicradio.org or get your friends
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to record a segment and have them send it in to admin at hackerpublicradio.org.
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and with us I wish you very very good.
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thank you for listening to hackerpublicradio.htr-smotorbycaro.net so head on over to caro.nct for all of us
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